[backstage] Re: Urgent WCAG2: formal objection: final draft

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Richard, it appears that the attachments may have been stripped, try this BBC internal link: http://diversity.gateway.bbc.co.uk/ look for the BBC's December 2005 report into learning disabled audiences and the media: Not seen, not heard. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 13 Jun 2006, at

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Matthew, The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to the BBC , Channel 4 and the Welsh Fourth Channel (S4C). for more: http://www.drc-gb.org/employers_and_service_provider/ disability_equality_duty.aspx The Disability Equality Duty for the public sector comes into

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Matthew Somerville
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to the BBC , Channel 4 and the Welsh Fourth Channel (S4C). Right, but that's irrelevant to my point. That simply means that those organisations have to put the effort in to promoting disability equality, it

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Matthew Somerville
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they have copyright clearance, if they need it? Sorry, I don't understand. The whole point of the Copyright (Visually Impaired Persons) Act is that it enables (some) people to make accessible versions of

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread J.P.Knight
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In fact, I think there was a blog about this, which poked fun at the BBC's stock image usage - bunny something or another. The Beeb's news site used to get laughed at in the railway world because they nearly always used a picture of an old

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Andrew Bowden
On the BBC News site, you cantell which images are BBC sourced, and which are agency sourced by the presence or absence of a small credit on the image itself. For example, on this story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5074164.stm, the top image is uncredited which should be BBC sourced,

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jason Cartwright
In fact, I think there was a blog about this, which poked fun at the BBCs stock image usage bunny something or another. There is the rather fantastic "Am I Abstract Or Not"... http://amiabstractornot.highlyillogical.org/ J Jason

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
a few correspondents have mentioned the use of stock photographs. People with Learning Disabilities benefit from consistency and many learn an alphabet of images. Some start with photographs of concrete objects and then move on to symbol libraries. A screengrab of how the bbc news homepage

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jason, that is mad and fantastic.. Text in a large font for a similar area of screen estate may be equally abstract... Police 'stormed in like burglars' we may know where, but the photo of M below says far more than the text, but best is both ~: regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 13

Re: [backstage] Urgent WCAG2: formal objection: final draft

2006-06-13 Thread Robin Boast
I read backstage, but have not yet contributed, but if my support would do any good, I am happy to provide it for this cause. I work on local knowledge (indigenous knowledge) databases and access to collections. I also teach museum studies here in Cambridge (I was Jodi Mates supervisor,

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Matthew, sorry was replying to DED rather than CA would that be double indemnity ~: cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 13 Jun 2006, at 09:20, Matthew Somerville wrote: Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they have copyright clearance, if they

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Richard P Edwards
Hi Guys, I am always interested in the copyright issues that arrive in this discussion from time to time. Regarding the BBC, has anyone thought to ask their lawyers to simply put a clause in to their own license contract agreement? At least then one would be able to make informed decisions

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Graeme Mulvaney
The symbolworld site uses a system of graphics called Widgit Rebus Symbols, are they proprietry or is there an independent body responsible for standardising new symbols ? Are there licensing issues attached to using symbols to represent text ?On 6/13/06, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread David Burden
Interesting too see someone else interested in Widgit Rebus. Weve been looking at using those and/or Bliss Symbolics (http://www.blissymbolics.org/bliss.shtml) to develop a symbol based interface to our chatbot for use by those with learning difficulties. Anybody got any idea of the

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Graeme, they are proprietary, and this is a huge issue in respect of the web. The fact is that Widgit create the symbols in SVG but distribute in other formats. similarly the symbols on web pages are awkward eg large gifs covering a number of symbols, or with peculiar names. Unfortunately

RE: [backstage] Urgent WCAG2: formal objection: final draft

2006-06-13 Thread Jason Cartwright
Interesting article on WCAG2 from last month... http://alistapart.com/articles/tohellwithwcag2 J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 12 June 2006 20:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Urgent WCAG2:

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
David, there are some pretty fundamental differences... you might also want to look at Makaton and PCS also there is the Concept Coding Framework, which is a proposed means of translating between symbol languages. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 13 Jun 2006, at 14:24, David Burden

[backstage] BBC News Live Stats XML - come and get it!

2006-06-13 Thread Ben Metcalfe
Hey folks, welcome to me on the other side! So the BBC News Website just released Live Stats features across the news website (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5071754.stm). But in fine hacker tradition I've not been wasting my unemployment to sit around in my underwear watching fucking Trisha and

Re: [backstage] Urgent WCAG2: formal objection: final draft

2006-06-13 Thread Ben Metcalfe
On 12/06/06, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be very helpful to gather contacts and support within the BBC, and backstage in particular. I have already contacted Jonathan Hassell and Andrea Callender please read the attached final draft and confirm your support. Dude, do