Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Andy
On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, of course. However, I said more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents. The file without DRM will be easier to distribute, therefore perhaps more people will. Apart from the fact that once the DRM is stripped no one else has

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-07-02 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jason! On 15/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't want to get back into this :-) I think this is important, and I hope you do too. So thanks for contributing to the debate :-) DRM is wrong. Pretty much anything that stops the free flow of information and ideas

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-20 Thread hayfielddigitalparish
From a Canadian colleague it looks like a CBC are now going to put DRM-free BitTorrent distribution for a major prime-time show see the post http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9897923-7.html?tag=nefd.lede Phil

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Alan Pope
2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-02-01 Thread vijay chopra
Any DRM system will be hacked regardless of platform. GNU/Linux is no exception. Does that make any Linux DRM potentially any less secure than a Windows version? I doubt it myself. I totally agree, however I think spending money developing DRM is a waste of licence payers money because

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread vijay chopra
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah yes. An insecure-by-design DRM scheme. Well that's useful, isn't it. Can't be worse the defective by design DRM we have now A Digital Rights Management system that doesn't actually allow you to manage anything. You've just

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-13 Thread Matt Barber
Wrong - the door is open with a welcome sign because all the progs are broadcast first of all on TV without DRM. Adding DRM later on is just a meaningless waste of money. If people want to get content online, they can and they will. This is irrelevant really because we're after a legal, long

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand... I'm now taking bets on how soon BBC DRM is cracked. Seriously, do the people who wrote that paragraph seriously think that they can better HD

Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content

2008-11-23 Thread Rob Myers
Aleem B wrote: (why is it so surpising that microsoft would prefer DRM-free content). Their prior actions, corporate culture, general technological strategies, partnerships and regulatory environment. And you have stripped the emphasis of the original. There is no evidence that MS *have

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer and the Nokia N900

2010-01-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 13:19, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: We'll have to see what happens, but it wouldn't surprise me if 2010 was the year video DRM got dropped as DRM for audio and in music has been in the last year or two... I'm not that hopeful. I think the biggest driver behind

[backstage] I'm off to Brazil...

2010-07-13 Thread David Woodhouse
Circumventing DRM is explicitly permitted by law, for the purpose of fair dealing. And penalties apply to those who attempt to use DRM to prevent fair dealing. http://www.gorila.hr/go/brazil-s-copyright-law-forbids-using-drm-to-block-fair-use_feeds_boingboing_net http://www.myce.com/news/brazil

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-15 Thread Stephen Deasey
bit better than it did before, but to give the best value it possibly can. It's not doing the best it can, and this isn't good enough. Obviously DRM free content is even better, but it's not feasible right now. It is feasible right now, for some content, if not all. The sentiment here seems

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
Hi Jeremy, From your first link: This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand services. They do realise that this will be virtually impossible, don't they? any iPlayer client that offers

RE: [backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-02-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
Hi Jeremy, From your first link: This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand services. They do realise that this will be virtually impossible, don't

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-25 Thread Dave Crossland
that then there would be choice! I think its a mistake to concentrate on choice: If that's what is promoted, then we'll just get a cross platform DRM system, which will be even worse, because even more people will get their freedom trampled. DRM is not acceptable, and no iPlayer is preferable

RE: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Ian Forrester
Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? -Original

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-16 Thread mike chamberlain
MICROSOFT DRM? I would really like to know so I can email my MEP about this matter. In case they want to add the BBC as an accessory to whatever they are prosecuting Microsoft for today. Or is it not in fact true that the rights holders would be happy with any DRM? I believe the actual facts

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/03/2008, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/03/2008, Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i.e. have you found a BBC programme you'd like to watch which includes the property of a third-party and written to that third party petitioning them to re-think their stance on DRM

Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content

2008-11-23 Thread Aleem B
MS has a lot of employees - many have never liked DRM, many would bet their future on it. En-masse I thinkg MS tends towards the latter rather than the former. I don't think DRM will go away either but that doesn't mean I like it. If I were a company seeking out to build a music player I

Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content

2008-11-23 Thread Michael
On Sunday 23 November 2008 21:07:04 Aleem B wrote: one of the more amusing aspects about that is that some people prefer DVD because it doesn't have any DRM. ... DVDs are not DRM free. Sigh. You obviously can't read. I said I found it amusing that people prefer DVD because they says

Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published

2009-01-29 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
I love how they make it sound like Apple's recent dumping of DRM was an embrace of some form of DRM that would work on any and all devices: Digital Rights Management (DRM), properly applied, also has a role (i.e. where it allows users to access content on any device that they own, rather than

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-27 Thread Jeremy Stone
Yes even the ones that that harp on about DRM noon and night ;) Actually the DRM discussions in recent weeks have been incredibly stimulating and provocative and much appreciated inside BBC towers and I hope for other subscribers. (I always knew I shouldn't try and make weak jokes

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that many CDs have some form of DRM on them. And that recently the publishers stopped putting DRM on CDs, because they've realised that hurting their customers only hurts them. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised

2007-06-25 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 25/06/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, because the DVB-T standard is open and anyone can build hardware or software to it. MS DRM and KDM are not open standards, and anything that glues standards together to create a vertically integrated product is, by definition, only

[backstage] Classical music joins the DRM-free trend

2007-12-04 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://www.betanews.com/article/Classical_music_joins_the_DRMfree_trend/1196714195 *Adding to the canon of DRM-free music, a Universal Music Group subsidiary has made a large portion of its catalog of classical performances available online free from digital rights protection.* Today, a label

Re: [backstage] Ogg Theora/Vorbis and HTML5

2009-06-18 Thread David Johnston
2009/6/18 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net This shouldn't be a problem from a rights perspective AFAIK. Currently all web based iPlayer content (including the 3200 kbps HD streams) is delivered without any DRM. RTMP is not DRM or content protection. RTMP may not be DRM, but I it's close

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-09 Thread James Cridland
On 2/9/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you get the idea that DRM is a benefit to the computer's owner? If content-owners* require DRM to be able to release content for use on your computer (currently the case in the BBC iPlayer, and/or Channel 4's on-demand plater

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-10 Thread vijay chopra
Oh, and where did you get the idea that DRM is a benefit to the computer's owner? It's a benefit to me, in that I subscribe to an online music library for less than I used to spend on CDs. I have more music, and more money - I call that a benefit. That requires neither treacherous

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
and collectively to an extent greater than the BBC's negative market impact This is a nice argument against BBC DRM, I think :-D Let's not be un-necessarily emotive. There is no such thing as BBC DRM The BBC is using DRM in the iPlayer. BBC DRM. I'm sorry if that was unclear, and am not sure what you

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Andrew Bowden
On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having never written or Product Managed the writing of a reliable DRM system No one has ever and no one will ever write or Product Manage the writing of a reliable DRM system. There can never be such a thing. Please don't be taken

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Cross
Stephen Deasey wrote: The BBC has many thousands of hours of programming which it holds sufficient rights to enable it to published on the Internet, DRM-free. If DRM is so distasteful, then why isn't this being done? Surely the BBC should be taking steps to move towards a DRM-free world

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-16 Thread Andy
On 16/06/07, mike chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the actual facts are... 1. Rights holders insist on time limited DRM solution. 2. Only Microsoft supports a time limited DRM. 3. Therefore, in order to conform to point 1, BBC have to use Microsoft based DRM. I accept axiom 1

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-14 Thread Dave Crossland
to adondon DRM. as you say, in 2003/4 rights holders in other media industries still thought DRM would work Many people who understood the nature of digital networks knew it wouldn't work in 03/04, and now some rights holders have finally listened to those people and given up with DRM. In 03/04

Re: [backstage] Encryption of HD by the BBC - cont ...

2009-10-06 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 15:00, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: David, I'm curious, what's your basis for asserting that FLOSS is incompatible with DRM? Sun's Open Media Commons project is designed to allow media playback restriction. OpenIPMP (http://sourceforge.net/projects/openipmp

Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content

2008-11-23 Thread Michael
marketing manager Mike Seamons, charged with demonstrating the charms of the Windows 7 version of Media Center, said that Microsoft has always preferred DRM-free content, adding that the company nonetheless understands the need for protections. On Sunday 23 November 2008 09:36:41 Aleem B wrote

Re: [backstage] iMP issue

2005-11-13 Thread vijay chopra
Shame; even thought I hate DRM, I know that PHBs love it, and if they cant work it, it means the Beeb might scram iMP :(On 13/11/05, Dave Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems BBC may have a problem with the iMP trial, apparently it's possible to get round the DRM thus taking away

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
The Trust will require the BBC Executive to adopt a platform-agnostic approach within a reasonable timeframe. This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand services. Can anyone tell me

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread George Wright
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 20:07 +, vijay chopra wrote: And I'm sure the proposal for Linux DRM will go down well in the FLOSS community, as well as a lead balloon anyway. Well, Linus seems to think it's OK... http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2003042401126OSKNLL I can see the slashdot

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/03/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember we're in it for the long run... not the short hike. Because the BBC is committed to DRM, this is scary. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinon only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] 49 year old mother of three comes out against DRM?

2008-04-27 Thread Nat Morris
2008/4/25 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Some DRM news, from the BBC: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/digitalp/digitalp_20080422-1232.mp3 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01

[backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

2008-10-14 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
the backstage mailing list may be interested in these blog posts - please do leave your comments http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/10/digital_media_anywhere.ht ml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/10/mobile_drm.html drm isn't going to go away - but we are doing our best!

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:18, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.ukwrote: I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? Audible.com still DRMs their audiobooks, in their own proprietary formats.

Re: [backstage] Encryption of HD by the BBC - cont ...

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Crossland
security through obscurity is no security still holds (and is why even closed DRM has proven ineffective), it's hard to see how FLOSS DRM would be in any way effective. At least with closed DRM, it might take a little time to break. While I can't see much argument for FLOSS DRM, I can see a lot

Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management

2010-06-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
#FAIL http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-freeview-allowed-to-use-drm-to-curtail-online-piracy/ http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-freeview-allowed-to-use-drm-to-curtail-online-piracy/Not much of a shock really. Or much use for the stated purpose. -- Brian Butterworth follow me

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-13 Thread Andy Halsall
OK, so the BBC has decided to use something more involved than a simple user agent check to determine whether it will serve up standards compliant and non DRM encumbered media to a client. Fair enough. What I still find rather confusing is that, short of using whatever DRM capabilities

RE: [backstage] DRM

2007-01-24 Thread Andrew Bowden
DRM doesn't exist on my planet... but then nor does BBC TV according to the BBC. Talk about restricting culture, it seems at every level. I don't believe that DRM is to stop the customer or help the original Rights owner. but it sure allows some control factor from the distributor

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jason! On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, of course. However, I said more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents. The file without DRM will be easier to distribute, therefore perhaps more people will. The point about this Apple/EMI deal is that they have costed

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 13:15 +0100, Dave Crossland wrote: The point about this Apple/EMI deal is that they have costed out thecost of non-DRM. This is very significant, and something MilesMetcalfe suggested in the DRM Podcast. The BBC

Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-12 Thread Tom Loosemore
asta la vista DRM debate I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming too? sorry - you're right - flash streaming using flash media server can be DRM'd Is the Flash iPlayer using flash media server with the DRM turned on? I dunno - given Flash

Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/12/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: asta la vista DRM debate I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming too? sorry - you're right - flash streaming using flash media server can be DRM'd Is the Flash iPlayer using flash media

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Phil Lewis
And don't forget the 'OMA DRM 2' used by iPlayer mobile. On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 12:25 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 10:19 +0100, mike chamberlain wrote: 1. Rights holders insist on time limited DRM solution. 2. Only Microsoft supports a time limited DRM. 3. Therefore, in order to conform to point 1, BBC have to use Microsoft based DRM. I would phrase it slightly differently. 1

Re: [backstage] Encryption of HD by the BBC - cont ...

2009-10-06 Thread Sean DALY
Actually, lots of FLOSS code produces supersecure encryption; GnuPG for example. Digital Restrictions Management of broadcast media is harder to do than text messages or filesystem volumes. Most commercial DRM developers don't give a hoot about GNU/Linux platforms since marketshare is so small

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-31 Thread Dave Crossland
this will thrive in the long term. Redressing things in the discourse of corporate businesses, like this, is okay, but can lead to nasty outcomes like thinking that DRM is legitimate. since when has a value chain been the discourse of corporate business? Corporate businesses don't tend

RE: [backstage] DRM

2007-01-24 Thread Brendan Quinn
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glyn Wintle Sent: 24 January 2007 09:17 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] DRM --- Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you come up with a solution to distribute content

Re: [backstage] DRM

2007-01-24 Thread Nic James Ferrier
and detects the watermarks in them so that we can enforce the membership rules, then we could be a step closer to an alternative to DRM. Hmmm... I wouldn't get excited if I were you. As Tom said on the blog post that was referenced from this thread somewhere, it's the business models that need fixing

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-14 Thread Tim Dobson
Tom Loosemore wrote: Why would he agree to talk to groklaw about DRM if that wasn't his intention? It's not like him saying no to their interview request would have been hard... and rights holders do know how to share links... You will find if you spider the backstage blog etc that I actually

Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content

2008-11-23 Thread David Greaves
Aleem B wrote: BBC is a public service so the issues don't really translate to Microsoft/DRM which is inclined to support DRM so it can sign deals with labels and sell their music players. Unless the BBC uses MS solutions with their DRM systems that aren't turned off. Which IIRC it did. MS

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread zen16083
The vast majority of users are quite happy to use the content as it's provided, and have no problems doing that. (I ask this politely) On what basis do you say that? I don't know anyone who is happy with DRM. My 70 year-old neighbour refuses to buy DRM material just on the principle that rights

RE: [backstage] DRM

2007-01-24 Thread Jason Cartwright
All my personal point of view, as usual Seriously guys why the need for DRM, I've only just reconciled myself that I'm not going to get radio in ogg format, and will have to put up with real player as long as I want Radio on demand; now this?! Most BBC stations have a Windows Media stream

[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 b illion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias?? ? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Bowden
It depends what you mean by failed Fairplay (Apple's DRM) is circumvented by simply burning your tracks to CD, then ripping to MP3. I'd count that as a failed DRM mechanism, as it's essentially useless. If the BBC implements DRM that's as good as Fairplay, I'll be happy (as long

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-09 Thread vijay chopra
directly beneficial to the owner, and DRM is only one. In fact, it's not the strongest use case in my opinion. There's not a single benefit that treacherous computing brings that cannot be solved another way, in your example you can hold secrets via any number of numerous encryption methods, my home

[backstage] WMV9 on Mac

2007-06-12 Thread oliver wood
Hi gang, Completely the wrong list one imagines, but with all the current banter about DRM, cross OS operability, etc etc, it reminds me that I'm yet to get WMV files to play on my Mac. Specifically these new fangled WMV9/drm protected thingybobs. Googling such seems to produce people wanting

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Crossland
in many cases) Can you provide references for how much more non-DRM publication costs compared to DRM publication? Can you tell anonymised stories of what ficticious rights holders told the BBC when the BBC approached them about non-DRM publication? :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via

RE: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-17 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 01:28 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: Nah, because the technology-friendly minority of the world's population will figure out both how to crack the DRM, and how to produce one-click tools which strip the DRM from crap-ridden files they've downloaded. The world rejoices

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Lockwood
Is this not what would happen with iPlayer? Hello Jim, I enjoyed Spooks on iPlayer last night, Really Jason? I'll go and watch that on my iPlayer, cable catchup, or whatever without the hassle of cracking the DRM out of the WMV file and working out how to get it off your computer via

Re: [backstage] What would you do? (Was: BBC tech chief: You Freetards don't matter)

2007-11-07 Thread vijay chopra
I couldn't agree more. The problem seems to be that everyone has bought the DRM snake oil, and no one is willing to admit they got it wrong. Indeed I'm sure there are many people who still believe that DRM is the solution to a problem*; and no one in the broadcasting industry seems to be capable

Re: [backstage] How long should copyright last?

2007-11-29 Thread Michael Sparks
On Thursday 29 November 2007 10:32:36 David Greaves wrote: So, should we DRM email programs? Oh, I missed that. People do use DRM in email. Ian Forrester does for example - he restricts your right to redistribute any email he sends you by appending: This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first

Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: asta la vista DRM debate I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming too? sorry

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-14 Thread Tom Loosemore
We only have the BBC's word that the content providers have forced them to develop iPlayer this way. There is a built-in detection mechanism. We can ask the content producers. Or just read the evidence they gave to MP's as part of the All Party Internet Group's inquiry into DRM PACT

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-26 Thread Sean DALY
I had some background discussions with PACT while preparing my interview with Ashley and what I learned (unsurprisingly) is that rights holders want to be compensated; the actual method is up for discussion. They hear that DRM doesn't work or is ineffective, but they don't see an alternative

Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

2008-10-16 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Iain Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly, if Channel 4 want to DRM all their media then it's entirely their choice because they don't have my money and they aren't funded by what amounts to a tax. If I was a Channel 4 shareholder I might raise

RE: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc

2008-10-16 Thread Andrew Bowden
Similarly, if Channel 4 want to DRM all their media then it's entirely their choice because they don't have my money and they aren't funded by what amounts to a tax. If I was a Channel 4 shareholder I might raise the same issues of DRM at an AGM. You are a Channel 4 shareholder

[backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-10 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://www.betanews.com/article/Is_DRM_on_its_last_throes_at_last/1231547605 let's not miss the big picture. Look at the way Apple has deployed DRM -- not for piracy reasons but for pure anti-competition reasons. He cited code in new Apple gadgetry that locks your new iPod to the iTunes file

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-13 Thread Andy
Is DRM on it's last legs? Not according to this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7825428.stm When we people learn that trying to stop people copying or playing Audio/Video after a certain date is not possible due to Replay Attack[1]? I'm not sure whether they intend to deploy

Re: [backstage] Encryption of HD by the BBC - cont ...

2009-10-06 Thread David Tomlinson
Sean DALY wrote: David, I'm curious, what's your basis for asserting that FLOSS is incompatible with DRM? Sun's Open Media Commons project is designed to allow media playback restriction. OpenIPMP (http://sourceforge.net/projects/openipmp/) is not an active project AFAIK, but it is Mozilla MPL

Re: [backstage] iMP issue

2005-11-13 Thread Adam Leach
This is a bigger problem as iMP is using standard Microsoft WMA DRM files. As this is widely used, there are more people interested in bypassing the DRM system, and so eventually it will always be bypassed, plus its created by Microsoft. Other codecs are less widely used and known about, so

RE: [backstage] DRM

2007-01-24 Thread Glyn Wintle
--- Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you come up with a solution to distribute content that satisfies all the requirements of the relevant rights holders then there is whole industry of people willing to give you money. Otherwise, its Windows Media Player DRM all the way if you

[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backs tage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backsta ge] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-06 Thread Jeremy Stone
]Those watching the DRM debate will be interested to see the latest music industry developments which will presumably set the precedent for download video bus models. Last week's Music Week (the weekly UK music industry trade paper) led with the headline reporting from Midem (the annual

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-08 Thread vijay chopra
execs at the expense of the general public. Besides, the BBC's job isn't t satisfy Media execs, it's to satisfy licence fee payers, and pouring money down a DRM drain won't satisfy anyone. It won't satisfy us because of the DRM, when thee DRM is cracked the media execs will cease being satisfied

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread David McBride
Greetings, Interesting discussion - primarily useful for the we don't have the rights arguments that haven't been effectively aired until now. The reason for using DRM has often been stated thus: * We need to prevent our users from re-distributing content that we feed them. However, it now

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrent

2007-02-18 Thread James Cridland
On 2/13/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all my personal opinion. Yes we (me, and it seems most of the list) know DRM is evil. However - in this case DRM is enabling people to view the content and making it MORE accessible. Perhaps the industry will change and we'll see

Re: [backstage] DRM does not work... what next?

2007-06-15 Thread Richard Lockwood
I think the whole discussion about alternative business models and even philosophical discussions about the nature of copyright are irrelevant and counterproductive. You don't need to be a revolutionary to observe that DRM is worthless and causes far more pain to consumers than the supposed

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-16 Thread Ian Betteridge
On 16/06/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many media industry professionals are on record stating their believe that DRM can work to halt unauthorised sharing, Many? Links please.

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-18 Thread vijay chopra
AFAIK bypassing DRM or other copy protection is perfectly legal in the UK and most of Europe; afterall, in itself it's not a breech of copyright. Thankfully we don't have an equivilent of the American DCMA so the media centre hackers have nothing to fear. (Disclaimer: IANAL) Vijay. On 18/06

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-31 Thread Andy
On 31/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely is fit for purpose and actually works now is a requirement. And all three fail dismally. A requirement of what? To disprove the statement there is no Open Source DRM then all that is needed is one open source drm, Mr Highland

RE: [backstage] Undermining iPlayer DRM

2008-03-07 Thread zen16083
But how is the BBC protecting rights holders when it has online video instructions telling you how to record progs without any DRM protection. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2008 15:52 To: backstage

Re: [backstage] iPlayer, DRM, Free Software and the iPhone

2008-03-10 Thread Andy Halsall
Till then, I would suggest you don't do anything your mother wouldn't be happy about. I take it that isn't legal advice... :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

RE: [backstage] iPlayer, DRM, Free Software and the iPhone

2008-03-11 Thread Gareth Davis
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hannen Sent: 11 March 2008 00:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer, DRM, Free Software and the iPhone My mum too - she keeps telling me that I should encourage

Re: [backstage] iPlayer DRM is over?

2008-03-13 Thread rob
Quoting Ian Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing I've always found unconvincing is the way the BBC bleats but the production companies won't let us distribute the content DRM-free!. The BBC has major clout - it could say from now on, all production contracts we sign HAVE to allow DRM-free

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer and the Nokia N900

2010-01-01 Thread David Greaves
Tim Dobson wrote: The default Maemo browser is essentially Firefox 3.5+ which supports video / (not natively H.264 though, but that's a different debate). With regards to DRM, well, I think some people are generally coming round to the idea that it may not be the be all and end all. We'll

[backstage] Remember the controversy about HD freeview and DRM?

2011-11-14 Thread Tim Dobson
Here is episode 2: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/nov/14/bbc-hd-drm TL;DR? Cory Doctrow: The Guardian just published an investigative piece I wrote about the BBC's successful petition to cripple its public broadcasts with DRM. Nearly everyone who commented on the proposal

Re: [backstage] Ashley Highfield on iPlayer - 26min Interview

2007-10-29 Thread David McBride
Hi, A very interesting interview - many thanks to Backstage and Ashley. A few thoughts: * It seems clear that all of the portability issues currently affecting the iPlayer beta are a direct result of the requirement for DRM specified at the design stage. If the DRM constraint _were_ relaxed

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Gnash-dev] EFF: Adobe Pushes DRM for Flash

2008-02-29 Thread Iain Wallace
I think this is blurring the line between what constitutes DRM and what constitutes a proprietary streaming protocol. The article doesn't really go into any technical detail about what they're referring to, but I take it they're referring to RTMP. This isn't DRM as the files inside the protocol

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Gnash-dev] EFF: Adobe Pushes DRM for Flash

2008-03-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/2008, simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is NOT to replace HTTP delivery in order to enforce DRM in the flash player. It is! :-) As far as the flash player goes, this FMS 3 requirement is only about streaming MP4 container (h264/aac) into the flash player as detailed

Re: [backstage] Microsoft says it 'has always preferred' DRM-free content

2008-11-23 Thread Aleem B
Does it in any way run counter to Microsoft's statement that they prefer DRM-free content? Microsoft has a tainted history of bugs around DRM (possibly even reason enough them the skip it altogether). The point, however, is that Microsoft has little to gain from DRM but that's

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-13 Thread zen16083
Hello http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6353889.stm DRM software like Apple's Fairplay or Microsoft's Windows Media DRM should properly be called digital restriction management, since its primary goal is to limit what purchasers can do with downloaded content. (from Bill Thompson) Isn't

Re: [backstage] DRM Podcast Video

2007-02-21 Thread Gordon Joly
At 15:56 + 20/2/07, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Sorry this took longer than planned but the video of the DRM Podcast is now available - the low quality version is here http://blip.tv/file/152907http://blip.tv/file/152907 Again it's a Creative Commons Attribution licence. One small step

RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Jeremy Stone
Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: Video content has developed pretty differently from music ... I wouldn't hold the two in parallel right now, [Steve Jobs] said. http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048507,00.html

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tim! On 03/04/07, Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in areas of the world where internet access is not yet as common as here, DRM is much more prevalent, as they are attempting to lock down the recorded music market *before* pervasive internet access becomes a problem

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