RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-15 Thread Gordon Joly
At 15:16 +0100 14/6/06, Kim Plowright wrote: Quick general recap - sorry, have only just managed to dip in to the list again, - yep - people here are aware of the accessibility requirements under the DDA, and there's been some excellent internal training and awareness run which covered learning

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Matthew, The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to the BBC , Channel 4 and the Welsh Fourth Channel (S4C). for more: http://www.drc-gb.org/employers_and_service_provider/ disability_equality_duty.aspx The Disability Equality Duty for the public sector comes into

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Matthew Somerville
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to the BBC , Channel 4 and the Welsh Fourth Channel (S4C). Right, but that's irrelevant to my point. That simply means that those organisations have to put the effort in to promoting disability equality, it

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Matthew Somerville
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they have copyright clearance, if they need it? Sorry, I don't understand. The whole point of the Copyright (Visually Impaired Persons) Act is that it enables (some) people to make accessible versions of

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread J.P.Knight
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In fact, I think there was a blog about this, which poked fun at the BBC's stock image usage - bunny something or another. The Beeb's news site used to get laughed at in the railway world because they nearly always used a picture of an old

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Andrew Bowden
backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics? I believe the majority of the images on the News site arent taken by the BBC themselves in other words, they dont have a team of roving photographers dispatched to news story locations. Many of them come from pictur

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jason Cartwright
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Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
a few correspondents have mentioned the use of stock photographs. People with Learning Disabilities benefit from consistency and many learn an alphabet of images. Some start with photographs of concrete objects and then move on to symbol libraries. A screengrab of how the bbc news homepage

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics? Generally the images don't belong to the BBC per se, so they can't re- distribute them. Besides, you'd have to question the relevance of the thumbnail images anyway :- How does a picture of a woman with a dodgy perm help you

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Matthew, sorry was replying to DED rather than CA would that be double indemnity ~: cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 13 Jun 2006, at 09:20, Matthew Somerville wrote: Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they have copyright clearance, if they

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Richard P Edwards
Hi Guys, I am always interested in the copyright issues that arrive in this discussion from time to time. Regarding the BBC, has anyone thought to ask their lawyers to simply put a clause in to their own license contract agreement? At least then one would be able to make informed decisions

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Graeme Mulvaney
The symbolworld site uses a system of graphics called Widgit Rebus Symbols, are they proprietry or is there an independent body responsible for standardising new symbols ? Are there licensing issues attached to using symbols to represent text ?On 6/13/06, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread David Burden
of the differences between the two? David David Burden www.chatbots.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Mulvaney Sent: 13 June 2006 13:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Graeme, they are proprietary, and this is a huge issue in respect of the web. The fact is that Widgit create the symbols in SVG but distribute in other formats. similarly the symbols on web pages are awkward eg large gifs covering a number of symbols, or with peculiar names. Unfortunately

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-13 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
David, there are some pretty fundamental differences... you might also want to look at Makaton and PCS also there is the Concept Coding Framework, which is a proposed means of translating between symbol languages. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 13 Jun 2006, at 14:24, David Burden

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-12 Thread Kim Plowright
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 12 June 2006 15:54 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics? I believe for such small graphics fair use may apply... have you seen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/homearchive/ this was originally and for many months hosted

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-12 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Kim, the application I am describing, promoting and developing benefits people with a learning disability so your quote may be relevant: not for profit playing of sound recordings and to help visually impaired people. furthermore, in the USA there have been recent changes in the law

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-12 Thread Graeme Mulvaney
But perhaps thumbnail graphics aren't the way to go - wouldn't a dedicated news feed that was written in plainer English be more useful, users would then be able to choose stories from that feed and then have the full versions read outto them ? Clearer news summaries would better all round. On

RE: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-12 Thread migc63
these images in a feed wouldnt necessarily be helpful at all, especially with the generic stock images. - C From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Mulvaney Sent: 09 June 2006 20:17 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] feeds with live

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-09 Thread Graeme Mulvaney
Generally the images don't belong to the BBC per se, so they can't re-distribute them. Besides, you'd have to question the relevance of the thumbnail images anyway :- How doesa picture of a woman with a dodgy perm help you understand that the NHS has agreed to fund an anti-cancer treatment ? or a

Re: [backstage] feeds with live graphics?

2006-06-09 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Graeme, a picture of a beardy man can be used by an interested person without reading skills to select text for a screen or text reader to read, for example. a feed with a link to a graphic isn't re-distribution of the graphic. regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 9 Jun 2006, at 20:17, Graeme