Dearest Dr. Fananapazir,
I am most grateful for your deepeing into the subject of the Islamic 'Messiah'. These traditions that you share are very interesting indeed. May I ask, if there are any more in relation to the revolution brought by our beloved Imam and the (partial) abrogation of what
Dearest Khazeh,
And lowly one accepted... Forever indebted.
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On 10/10/05, Monder M Zbaeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear friends,
I have sat here and watched this interesting discussion unfold. I am very
pleased to see the respectful discourse. So many voices with one common
goal, as the fields of flowers embrace each other in the splendour of the
On 10/9/05, Hajir Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bahai believes that many of those commandments [of the Qur'an] are
actually not valid, and unsuitable and inappropriate for the modern day,
while claiming that thier own laws ARE suitable for the modern-day, then
that would be a very clear
On 10/9/05, Tim Nolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Gilberto,
I am no scholar, so I can't comment on the Qur'an or the sharia,
but I hope you will not mind if I contribute a layman's view.
I wouldn't claim to be a scholar either. I think this is all just
about contributing and exchanging
Dear friends,
A wayfarer beseeches your wisdom.
In the Abrahamic faiths preceeding the Baha'i faith, the Afterlife (overlap with Day of Judgement),as a topic has been dealt with a great deal in the scriptures.Images of eutopia versus eternal chastisement depending on our 'wordly' deeds
Salaamun 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullah..
Dear Gilberto, your words manifest a thorough methodology which is always humbling to see. It is true that the Judeo-Christian tradition has been 'altered' by man, but I believe that the essence is still intact for those who are truly sincere to drink from the
Dearest friends,
I have asked this question many a times, but have yet to receive a satisfactory reply. I shall be brief..
Why is this Day of Judgement different to any other, with thecoming of the resepectiveMessengers of God?
Much love,
Monder M Zbaeda
To help you stay safe and
Ian,
Sorry for the delay, but I wanted to make sure I had enough time to respond to
your message.
At 03:53 PM 10/6/2005, you wrote:
I know *a lot* of Serbs and Croatians and they would be stunned by your
statement that they did not live in a Communist state. So would Milvan Djilas
(author of
Ian,
At 06:59 PM 10/8/2005, you wrote:
Here's an interesting quote to consider amidst all this corporation bashing:
Social inequality is the inevitable outcome of the natural inequality of
man. Human beings are different in ability and should, therefore, be
different in their social and
Why is this Day of Judgement different to any other, with the coming of the
resepective Messengers of God?
Dear Monder,
I'm not sure it is except in terms of the potency of this Revelation and
what it is meant to acheive. All Prophets of the past have foretold this
Day:
It is evident that
Hello all, just a short note from one who has listened from the back row to all the wisdom coming from those more learned than I...
I teach at William Sears Baha'i School, grades 3 and 4. One of my students said in class yesterday that he was "part Christian" What a beautiful segway to this
Baha'u'llah wrote:
"the whole of the human race can be illumined with the LIGHT OF UNITY, and the remembrance of His Name is able to set on fire the hearts of all men, and BURN AWAY THE VEILS that intervene between them and His glory."
"So powerful is the light of unity that it can
"Mark A. Foster" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,At 10:55 AM 10/9/2005, you wrote:I think if we want to say that the different religions of the world are "one", for me that would mean emphasizing the commonalities between them.To my understanding, the Baha'i view of the oneness of
Dearest Hajir,
Although this was addressed to dear Dr. Fananpazir, I believe these are among the gemsthatyou werereferring to:
To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged.
On 10/10/05, Monder M Zbaeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Salaamun 'Alaikum wa Rahmatullah..
Wa alaikum salaam wa rahamatullah,
Dear Gilberto, your words manifest a thorough methodology which is always
humbling to see.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
It is true that the Judeo-Christian tradition
On 10/10/05, Hajir Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto: Is Saiedi saying that Islamic laws are still valid in the
modern-day?
Hi,
I think I see what you are saying. No, Saiedi is not saying that the
Islamic laws are still valid for the modern-day. So from this framework,
the
So from a Bahai perspective one can believe that there are accidental misquotes and modifications in the contemporary Quran?
No, based on my understanding, there are no accidental misquotes or accidental modifications in the contemporary Qur'an (unlike the contemporary Bible). Yet, these
If a Bahai is saying that the laws of Islam are not applicable and are out of date then it is on some level disparaging to what Muslims believe. But Bahais seldomacknowledge the fact that it is disparaging. That's all I'm saying.
Okay, even though I have not thought this through yet, I
Title: Message
Meaning of Perverting the Holy
Text
This is one of the instances that have been referred
to. Verily by "perverting" the text
is not meant that which these foolish and abject souls have fancied, even as
some maintain that Jewish and Christian divines have effaced from the
Gilberto: But that's not the contradiction. If a Bahai is saying that the lawsof Islam are not applicable and are out of date then it is on somelevel disparaging to what Muslims believe. But Bahais seldomacknowledge the fact that it is disparaging. That's all I'm saying.
Even some of
On 10/10/05, Hajir Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a Bahai is saying that the laws of Islam are not applicable and are out
of date then it is on some level disparaging to what Muslims believe. But
Bahais seldom
acknowledge the fact that it is disparaging. That's all I'm saying.
Okay,
On 10/10/05, Hajir Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Yeah, I see what you are saying. But personally I wouldn't be as
generous. I would say mainstream Christianity represents a significant
departure from Jesus' original teaching. And I think Paul was largely
responsible for the
Hi, Scott,
At 10:58 AM 10/10/2005, you wrote:
The apparent changes from dispensation to dispensation are because God WILLS
the change, not because we are more advanced now. Of course civilization
and society are more advanced - its because God wills it and man cannot
obstruct the unfoldment of
On 10/10/05, Hajir Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
From my perspective, technological advancement and changese in the
social order don't really change human nature or the human condition.
So the basic parameters of morality and behavior are pretty stable
over large sweeps of
Sure, I understand that the Bahai belief is that the Bible is
substantially intact. But I think that if you just look at the
question directly, and just look at what research has been done on the
Bible and don't just appeal to some other scripture, its pretty clear
that significant changes have
Gilberto:
To me it makes sense to just say, Muslims should be the
best Muslims they can be. Bahais should be the best Bahais they can be. And
leave it to God to judge people's deeds and intentions.
But how one defines good or best? I am
sure those Muslims who have
Hi Gilberto,
Personally, no. I wouldn't say there was a *need* for Muhammad in thatsense. But God in his mercy chose to send him. But recently, someBahais *have* spoken in terms of a *need* for the Bab or Bahaullah.
As I see it, the fact that God sent the Bab and Baha'u'llah indicates
that
Gilberto:
Yeah, I see what you are saying. But personally I wouldn't be as
generous. I would say mainstream Christianity represents a significant
departure from Jesus' original teaching. And I think Paul was largely
responsible for the shift.
At the same time, don't you think the mainstream
"Mark A. Foster" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Scott,At 10:58 AM 10/10/2005, you wrote:The apparent changes from dispensation to dispensation are because God WILLS the change, not because we are "more advanced now". Of course civilization and society are more advanced - its because God wills
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:That's all true, but I don't think that changes basic morality. Thefact that man walked on the moon doesn't make it ok to steal. The factthat we can clone animals, doesn't make lying ok. I think changes intechnology make our life more
On 10/10/05, Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott writes:
Basic morality is essentially a spiritual truth, isn't it? What about laws
governing how human rights should be protected?
I would say that if a human right is worthy of the name,
On 10/10/05, Firouz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
To me it makes sense to just say, Muslims should be the best Muslims they
can be. Bahais should be the best Bahais they can be. And leave it to God to
judge people's deeds and intentions.
Firouz:
But how one defines good or best?
As
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/10/05, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Scott writes: Basic morality is essentially a spiritual truth, isn't it? What about laws governing how human rights should be protected?I would say that
On 10/11/05, Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/10/05, Scott Saylors wrote:
Gilberto Simpson wrote:
Scott writes:
Basic morality is essentially a spiritual truth, isn't it? What about laws
governing how human rights should be
Gilberto:
I'm not sure what your point is. Bahais who hate Muslims also think
they are good Bahais too. We all have to engage in a process of
self-criticism. But that's an individual process.
I don't think Baha'is hate Muslims or anyone else as hatred is against the
Teachings of Baha'u'llah. But
On 10/10/05, Firouz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:Firouz: But how one defines good or best?As an
individual you follow your conscience, informed and guided by whatever scripture
or religious/spiritual/moral path you happen to follow. I am sure
those Muslims who have called for Jihad against
Scott:
Some societies had a shortage of women and polyandry was practiced there -
tibet and Bhutan for instance.
In China today there is shortage of women due to one child policy in China
for so many years. Many Chinese killed their daughters in order to have a
son. Many Chinese men cannot
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