Re: [BangPypers] Connecting developers and companies
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:53 PM, vijay kumar vnbang2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Anand Reddy Pandikunta anand21na...@gmail.com wrote: Any thoughts about Python job board? I have plan to work on it . Let me know if you can join http://python.org.in/jobs/ I will start work on the project post PyCon India. If anyone want to lead before that please do. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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[...] Once in a while - for other meetups like the Android user group hosted at ThoughtWorks- some other company has even sponsored Pizzas. In return, they were given a 10 minute slot to talk about their product. No one in the audience ever felt that they were the product or felt offended in any way. If anything, such sessions once in a while have even helped inspire confidence that there are companies making products and offering services using such technologies and in this space. reduces too. Actually we offer small 5 minutes slot for host. In the past companies have used it. Sometimes this info is lost in the communication/no tech member is present during meetup. There is no second thought about this. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Any thoughts about Python job board? Regards, Anand Reddy Pandikunta (@ChillarAnand) www.avilpage.com On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:44 PM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Once in a while - for other meetups like the Android user group hosted at ThoughtWorks- some other company has even sponsored Pizzas. In return, they were given a 10 minute slot to talk about their product. No one in the audience ever felt that they were the product or felt offended in any way. If anything, such sessions once in a while have even helped inspire confidence that there are companies making products and offering services using such technologies and in this space. reduces too. Actually we offer small 5 minutes slot for host. In the past companies have used it. Sometimes this info is lost in the communication/no tech member is present during meetup. There is no second thought about this. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Anand Reddy Pandikunta anand21na...@gmail.com wrote: Any thoughts about Python job board? I have plan to work on it . Let me know if you can join http://python.org.in/jobs/ Right now it's static page so we need to plan to see how to make it dynamic. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Mon, Jul 20 2015, vijay kumar wrote: [...] Am one among them hence i want to see it continue to be what it is today. [...] That's great and I'm sure it'll get better. My comments were just my own thoughts. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On 20 July 2015 at 11:51, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे mandarv...@gmail.com wrote: How about A company that sponsors a meetup, formally gets 10 minutes at the end ? This alleviates the above concern, also more companies may come forward to sponsor Why will volunteer speakers go and talk in a venue to enable host-company run a jobfair? - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Imagine a scenario where startup X is hosting a BangPypers meetup. Assume an employee of startup Y is pitching for his company at the end of the meetup. Let us say Startup Y happens to be a direct competitor of startup X. How do you think that will work ? Yes, this can get nasty. It would be take a lot of effort to co-ordinate the logistics for this I am afraid the focus will move away from the core - the talks and meeting other like minded people. A big -1. - sree -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On 20 July 2015 at 13:42, Nitin Kumar nitin.n...@gmail.com wrote: So in such case isn't it our responsibility to give a chance (to speak about opportunity) to the company hosting the workshop. Even I feel some of the audience would be quite interested in them (after having a look to their infra, teams) No, its volunteering. Even speaks give their time and share knowledge. They are not incentivised either. Informal conversations between whoever are interested are not an issue. - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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There is some place for commercial interests in a healthy community. It already there, i have seen where people give interviews instead of attending talks. Is that the purpose of meetup? The people working on bangpypers really deserve our appreciation for bringing the whole thing upto this level and going forward, Am one among them hence i want to see it continue to be what it is today. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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This is not correct. Many companies have sponsored space and snacks without expecting any thing in return. If a company offers space to you to conduct meeting and competing companies go there to make 10 minute presentation of job offers, then companies will have a second thought to offer space. How about A company that sponsors a meetup, formally gets 10 minutes at the end ? This alleviates the above concern, also more companies may come forward to sponsor -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah s...@mahiti.org wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 11:51, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे mandarv...@gmail.com wrote: How about A company that sponsors a meetup, formally gets 10 minutes at the end ? This alleviates the above concern, also more companies may come forward to sponsor Why will volunteer speakers go and talk in a venue to enable host-company run a jobfair? - sree I was only trying to address issue where company A provides space/lunch and Companies b-z get all the hires -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Mon, Jul 20 2015, vijay kumar wrote: [...] We expect companies to be alteast be active in community in share knowledge rather than just coming for job posting announcement. Companies are not interested in sharing knowledge. They're interested in hiring and making money as it should be. Employees from companies share knowledge and do things like what you've said and they sometimes move between organisations. A user group meetup is a fine place to do this. I just feel that we shouldn't get too leftist about the way we speak to companies. There is some place for commercial interests in a healthy community. A position where the community and the companies are completely separate and even confrontational is not sustainable. It might even endup becoming Job Fair where people(carry resumes) and companies(Carry boxes) come for hiring not to discuss about python. I don't see the point in shooting down an idea based on an extreme doomsday scenario. If people start doing this, the organisers can stop it. My expectation is that *most* of the companies get how the ecosystem works and will respect it. There will be a few people, probably non tech folks who just focus on hiring who might screw things up but we can always tell them to stop rather than cancel the whole project up front. In either case, it's really great that such a possibility is even being discussed. The people working on bangpypers really deserve our appreciation for bringing the whole thing upto this level and going forward, I'm sure it'll only get better. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Thoughts ? Any other ways to facilitate this ? [1]: https://meetup.com/bangpypers i think we are thinking too much into something which has been not an non issue and the whole thread has construed into something which it was never the intent of OP :-) this is how we handle these scenarios . 1. no direct pitches 2. have meetup in neutral place as far as possible 3. let people who are there to hire identify themselves and work towards selling whatever in the meetup in an informal way when networking. 4. Company people as individuals are encouraged to talk about open source contributions while giving a talk , and job offerings in a very subtle way . 5. bottom line offering jobs is good for ecosystem we are not living in Utopian society and while the rules of engagement are agreed upon by both parties , this should be encouraged to a level not to get overwhelmed by the whole concept . cheers -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/ | fossevents.in | ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On 20 July 2015 at 11:39, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: We expect companies to be alteast be active in community in share knowledge rather than just coming for job posting announcement. Companies are not interested in sharing knowledge. They're interested in hiring and making money as it should be. Employees from companies share knowledge and do things like what you've said and they sometimes move between organisations. A user group meetup is a fine place to do this. This is not correct. Many companies have sponsored space and snacks without expecting any thing in return. If a company offers space to you to conduct meeting and competing companies go there to make 10 minute presentation of job offers, then companies will have a second thought to offer space. In my opinion the meetups should remain neutral and be places for both businesses and individuals to volunteer/ contribute. - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Many companies have sponsored space and snacks without expecting any thing in return. So in such case isn't it our responsibility to give a chance (to speak about opportunity) to the company hosting the workshop. Even I feel some of the audience would be quite interested in them (after having a look to their infra, teams) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah s...@mahiti.org wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 11:39, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: We expect companies to be alteast be active in community in share knowledge rather than just coming for job posting announcement. Companies are not interested in sharing knowledge. They're interested in hiring and making money as it should be. Employees from companies share knowledge and do things like what you've said and they sometimes move between organisations. A user group meetup is a fine place to do this. This is not correct. Many companies have sponsored space and snacks without expecting any thing in return. +1 Lot of companies have provided us space and lot of facilities We are thankful of it. I didn't see they we interested in making money. Krace, Please correct i am wrong. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Jul 20, 2015 11:49 AM, vijay kumar vnbang2...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah s...@mahiti.org wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 11:39, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: We expect companies to be alteast be active in community in share knowledge rather than just coming for job posting announcement. Companies are not interested in sharing knowledge. They're interested in hiring and making money as it should be. Employees from companies share knowledge and do things like what you've said and they sometimes move between organisations. A user group meetup is a fine place to do this. This is not correct. Many companies have sponsored space and snacks without expecting any thing in return. +1 Lot of companies have provided us space and lot of facilities We are thankful of it. I didn't see they we interested in making money. Krace, Please correct i am wrong. Yes, all our hosts are very kind and we didn't have any issues. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 20 July 2015 11:43 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: This is not correct. Many companies have sponsored space and snacks without expecting any thing in return. If a company offers space to you to conduct meeting and competing companies go there to make 10 minute presentation of job offers, then companies will have a second thought to offer space. In my opinion the meetups should remain neutral and be places for both businesses and individuals to volunteer/ contribute. BangPypers meetups are primarily to share knowledge. How the knowledge is used then - to prepare for an interview or to do an open source project or whatever - is up to the people who attend it. It is not the right forum for a direct pitch by companies. Imagine a scenario where startup X is hosting a BangPypers meetup. Assume an employee of startup Y is pitching for his company at the end of the meetup. Let us say Startup Y happens to be a direct competitor of startup X. How do you think that will work ? It would be take a lot of effort to co-ordinate the logistics for this I am afraid the focus will move away from the core - the talks and meeting other like minded people. A big -1. - sree - -- Regards, - --Anand - Software Architect/Consultant anandpil...@letterboxes.org Cell: +919880078014 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVrJUhAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDk9QIALUVcANMPkRi+bCSsfbG+9ho 2AdQ447167Q1hjaTgrzCRMxRM/S+r50leWUS2zzKvJptL928WoKpAHhRcor4E2Wg MFmfeR/hd1DM/79Stdx0qpqYyS9P1mTr6Gjzyq75q9nQxWyvRmRzQwUNEv+It0IG ADccy5Q1ikmZujR1XHGtbLh9ZeN8aHSpoWlGyraJJu9hSJV0LZfcTztyvxbkwBJh Nro0tIZCIVTBumL3+n5OSZid7s449T2H4lSuaKCkl0LCHBntdScwajjjN7KKUCzn obbdxqBwpEfkjcjVb/mxUlG10l1SQr+L1qhW2ytyiIokU7N5hvhlG/93/9EmNTU= =ZV0n -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Going through the mails, I think it would be better for us to maintain a job posting site/place separately. Personally, I like the meet-ups for the information they provide as well as chatting with other programmers. Allowing companies/startups to present their content would not fit the actual purpose of the meet ups. But, there's the portion of companies allowing us to meet at their locations, to which we can allow the hosting company to present their content as compared to allowing other companies to come up too. For example, Company A is hosting our meet-up, so by default Company A gets the chance to place their content, availing this chance will be at the sole disposal of Company A. But in case Company B wishes to present too, they will have to get prior permission from Company A along with the organizers of the meet-up. On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah s...@mahiti.org wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 13:42, Nitin Kumar nitin.n...@gmail.com wrote: So in such case isn't it our responsibility to give a chance (to speak about opportunity) to the company hosting the workshop. Even I feel some of the audience would be quite interested in them (after having a look to their infra, teams) No, its volunteering. Even speaks give their time and share knowledge. They are not incentivised either. Informal conversations between whoever are interested are not an issue. - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Sayantan Bhattacharya ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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But in case Company B wishes to present too, they will have to get prior permission from Company A along with the organizers of the meet-up. Or Company B can just sponsor next meetup ;) -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Exactly. So, in case the organizers are looking for sponsors for the next meetup, the search time reduces too. On Jul 20, 2015 3:03 PM, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे mandarv...@gmail.com wrote: But in case Company B wishes to present too, they will have to get prior permission from Company A along with the organizers of the meet-up. Or Company B can just sponsor next meetup ;) -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Folks: I'm an employee from one of the companies - ThoughtWorks - who have helped make space available for meetups. I'm not around in Bangalore now-a-days, so I ask one or the other colleague to help provide space. Noufal has described at ThoughtWorks position on such meetups. I've been chaperoning one tech meetup or the other at the ThoughtWorks offices since 2006. I discuss with other folks who provide venues to such meetups. We techies at our organizations get it that other technies need space for a meetup. We ask internally for space, and we then chaperone the meetup. Once in a while, there are the odd non-techies who view the whole meetup as a major marketing opportunity. Depending upon the community, this may or may not be fine. Once in a while - for other meetups like the Android user group hosted at ThoughtWorks- some other company has even sponsored Pizzas. In return, they were given a 10 minute slot to talk about their product. No one in the audience ever felt that they were the product or felt offended in any way. If anything, such sessions once in a while have even helped inspire confidence that there are companies making products and offering services using such technologies and in this space. Fully aware that at the moment I'm inactive and am an arm-chair spectator at best, I propose that the active community explore providing a 10 minute slot for companies to speak about themselves and their products, and if anyone feels that it's getting over commercialized, then discuss how to address it. Speaking from personal experience, slamming the door shut doesn't help anyone. -- Ram On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:05 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for pitching in with suggestions. Every point is worth. At this point we will focus what we're currently doing and pause this initiative. Thanks once again! On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:27 PM, sayantan bhattacharya skb655...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. So, in case the organizers are looking for sponsors for the next meetup, the search time reduces too. On Jul 20, 2015 3:03 PM, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे mandarv...@gmail.com wrote: But in case Company B wishes to present too, they will have to get prior permission from Company A along with the organizers of the meet-up. Or Company B can just sponsor next meetup ;) -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Very well put Ram! I too share the same view that shutting the doors is not a solution. The dynamics of any committee-activities will be known only later and we need to fine-tune the proceedings when a need arises. We simply have to take small steps with the positive goal with which this discussion had begun. Best Wishes to this initiative! Cheers Balki On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.com wrote: Folks: I'm an employee from one of the companies - ThoughtWorks - who have helped make space available for meetups. I'm not around in Bangalore now-a-days, so I ask one or the other colleague to help provide space. Noufal has described at ThoughtWorks position on such meetups. I've been chaperoning one tech meetup or the other at the ThoughtWorks offices since 2006. I discuss with other folks who provide venues to such meetups. We techies at our organizations get it that other technies need space for a meetup. We ask internally for space, and we then chaperone the meetup. Once in a while, there are the odd non-techies who view the whole meetup as a major marketing opportunity. Depending upon the community, this may or may not be fine. Once in a while - for other meetups like the Android user group hosted at ThoughtWorks- some other company has even sponsored Pizzas. In return, they were given a 10 minute slot to talk about their product. No one in the audience ever felt that they were the product or felt offended in any way. If anything, such sessions once in a while have even helped inspire confidence that there are companies making products and offering services using such technologies and in this space. Fully aware that at the moment I'm inactive and am an arm-chair spectator at best, I propose that the active community explore providing a 10 minute slot for companies to speak about themselves and their products, and if anyone feels that it's getting over commercialized, then discuss how to address it. Speaking from personal experience, slamming the door shut doesn't help anyone. -- Ram On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:05 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for pitching in with suggestions. Every point is worth. At this point we will focus what we're currently doing and pause this initiative. Thanks once again! On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:27 PM, sayantan bhattacharya skb655...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. So, in case the organizers are looking for sponsors for the next meetup, the search time reduces too. On Jul 20, 2015 3:03 PM, Mandar Vaze / मंदार वझे mandarv...@gmail.com wrote: But in case Company B wishes to present too, they will have to get prior permission from Company A along with the organizers of the meet-up. Or Company B can just sponsor next meetup ;) -Mandar ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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I still think it's a worthwhile experiment and should be tried. If things go awry, it can be cancelled. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. -1 Today lot of participants come as it's a place to gain and share knowledge. We should not be changing the intention of meetup by providing space for hiring, it might turn out being a commercial space. Am afraid allowing companies to talk about themselves and their job opportunities might create conflict of interest with the company providing space for our meetup which may not be good for us. I would say lets stick to knowledge sharing and discussion about python for meetup We already have job page on python India website ( http://python.org.in/jobs/). We should plan to work on that page instead. Otherwise we can have Bangpypers newsletter where we send meetup details along with job opportunities as well. But my question is What does Bangpypers get in return for publishing about X company job requirement? ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:04 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi We have come long way with BangPypers meetup [1]. In last two years, we conducted regular workshops and talks. We have seen people travelling from different cities to attend our meetups. 82 people attended our last meetup! Kudos to Krace and all volunteers and speakers for great work! Thats almost like a mini conference every month. There are lot of companies use Python in Bangalore. Most of these companies approach the organizing team for leads to hire developers. We don't share any participant info and don't want to. We redirect them to ML and other job boards. There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. Thoughts ? Any other ways to facilitate this ? I think that is very good idea. Companies are also part of the ecosystem and it is fair give them a place to present about themselves. As long that they take just 10 minutes of time and don't dominate the whole meetup, I think should do it. Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19 2015, kracekumar ramaraju wrote: [...] There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. +1 atleast as an experiment. Companies are part of the community. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Deep Sukhwani deepsukhw...@gmail.com wrote: One major concern of all is that people showing up on meetups ONLY with an agenda of getting a chance to speak with employers. IMHO, creating a venue for people to talk to potential employers is a good thing. As long as that doesn't takeover the user group meeting, we should encourage it. As Krace suggested, keeping it for last 10 minutes is a good idea. That said, I agree with Noufal Ibrahim KV to at least experiment with it once before making a decision to stick with it or not. +1 Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19 2015, Deep Sukhwani wrote: One major concern of all is that people showing up on meetups ONLY with an agenda of getting a chance to speak with employers. True but I think this distinction between community and companies is not as clear cut as it's made out to be. Companies do donate things like office space etc. and they get publicity and possibly, hires. To formalise that a little and to get them more involved sounds, to me, like a good thing. And, as a general rule, it's good to assume that the companies are good community players and design the meeting for good people. If we find someone trying to take advantage of the whole thing and poisoning the ecosystem, we can always do something then. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, vijay kumar vnbang2...@gmail.com wrote: There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. -1 Today lot of participants come as it's a place to gain and share knowledge. We should not be changing the intention of meetup by providing space for hiring, it might turn out being a commercial space. Am afraid allowing companies to talk about themselves and their job opportunities might create conflict of interest with the company providing space for our meetup which may not be good for us. Good point. We need to communicate this to host. I would say lets stick to knowledge sharing and discussion about python for meetup We already have job page on python India website ( http://python.org.in/jobs/). We should plan to work on that page instead. Otherwise we can have Bangpypers newsletter where we send meetup details along with job opportunities as well. +1 for job board and newsletter. If there are any volunteers to take this up, we can think of bigger collaboration. But my question is What does Bangpypers get in return for publishing about X company job requirement? Probably too early to predict. Boston Python User group does take sponsorship [1] and [2]. [1]: http://www.meetup.com/bostonpython/pages/How_sponsorship_works/ [2]: http://www.meetup.com/bostonpython/pages/Job_Posting_requirements/ If companies can find developers and learn from other developers, BangPypers meetups will be relevant. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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One major concern of all is that people showing up on meetups ONLY with an agenda of getting a chance to speak with employers. That said, I agree with Noufal Ibrahim KV to at least experiment with it once before making a decision to stick with it or not. On Jul 19, 2015 8:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:04 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi We have come long way with BangPypers meetup [1]. In last two years, we conducted regular workshops and talks. We have seen people travelling from different cities to attend our meetups. 82 people attended our last meetup! Kudos to Krace and all volunteers and speakers for great work! Thats almost like a mini conference every month. There are lot of companies use Python in Bangalore. Most of these companies approach the organizing team for leads to hire developers. We don't share any participant info and don't want to. We redirect them to ML and other job boards. There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. Thoughts ? Any other ways to facilitate this ? I think that is very good idea. Companies are also part of the ecosystem and it is fair give them a place to present about themselves. As long that they take just 10 minutes of time and don't dominate the whole meetup, I think should do it. Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ᐧ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV nou...@nibrahim.net.in wrote: On Sun, Jul 19 2015, Deep Sukhwani wrote: One major concern of all is that people showing up on meetups ONLY with an agenda of getting a chance to speak with employers. True but I think this distinction between community and companies is not as clear cut as it's made out to be. Companies do donate things like office space etc. and they get publicity and possibly, hires. To formalise that a little and to get them more involved sounds, to me, like a good thing. Companies also sponsor lunch. This becomes extended space to catchup with speakers and participants. And, as a general rule, it's good to assume that the companies are good community players and design the meeting for good people. If we find someone trying to take advantage of the whole thing and poisoning the ecosystem, we can always do something then. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Hi Vijay, I can help you with that. Thanks Jagadesh Babu T 9066375854 On Jul 20, 2015 10:19 AM, vijay kumar vnbang2...@gmail.com wrote: We already have job page on python India website ( http://python.org.in/jobs/). We should plan to work on that page instead. Otherwise we can have Bangpypers newsletter where we send meetup details along with job opportunities as well. +1 for job board and newsletter. If there are any volunteers to take this up, we can think of bigger collaboration. I can volunteer for Job board and run for 1 years. Let me know if anyone can join me. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, vijay kumar vnbang2...@gmail.com wrote: There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. -1 Today lot of participants come as it's a place to gain and share knowledge. We should not be changing the intention of meetup by providing space for hiring, it might turn out being a commercial space. Am afraid allowing companies to talk about themselves and their job opportunities might create conflict of interest with the company providing space for our meetup which may not be good for us. As a thought exercise consider this. Company A offers the space for the meetup. On the day of the meetup the host ensures that there is adequate material/swag/branding available that provide a guidance to available opportunities, how to apply etc. And if you stop and think about it, this is not too far fetched. For example, at my day job, the external facing areas have branding material which make it easy to identify with specific projects/products. Asking companies to create anechoic chambers as a pre-condition for hosting is somewhat untenable. I would say lets stick to knowledge sharing and discussion about python for meetup We already have job page on python India website ( http://python.org.in/jobs/). We should plan to work on that page instead. How often is that used to be a platform for opportunities within the Python community? Otherwise we can have Bangpypers newsletter where we send meetup details along with job opportunities as well. But my question is What does Bangpypers get in return for publishing about X company job requirement? A question in turn (although it is poor form to respond to a question with another) - why does Bangpyper want to get anything in return of the stated objective is sharing and discussing about Python? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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We already have job page on python India website ( http://python.org.in/jobs/). We should plan to work on that page instead. Otherwise we can have Bangpypers newsletter where we send meetup details along with job opportunities as well. +1 for job board and newsletter. If there are any volunteers to take this up, we can think of bigger collaboration. I can volunteer for Job board and run for 1 years. Let me know if anyone can join me. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On 19 July 2015 at 13:16, vijay kumar vnbang2...@gmail.com wrote: There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. -1 Today lot of participants come as it's a place to gain and share knowledge. We should not be changing the intention of meetup by providing space for hiring, it might turn out being a commercial space. I agree with Vijay. Let those stuff happen informally. Let meet up be places for learning and sharing. Commercialising them will take them in the path of typical RoR conferences. We should stay clear of that path. - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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+1. It will be helpful for beginner like me to get job. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Hi We have come long way with BangPypers meetup [1]. In last two years, we conducted regular workshops and talks. We have seen people travelling from different cities to attend our meetups. 82 people attended our last meetup! There are lot of companies use Python in Bangalore. Most of these companies approach the organizing team for leads to hire developers. We don't share any participant info and don't want to. We redirect them to ML and other job boards. There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. Thoughts ? Any other ways to facilitate this ? [1]: https://meetup.com/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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It is a good initiative BangPypers should facilitate this. However it is better to keep it aside instead of bringing this into mainstream. * We can have a simple job board site where companies can send pull requests. * We can have a separate meetup once in a while only for this. Regards, Anand Reddy Pandikunta (@ChillarAnand) www.avilpage.com On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:04 AM, kracekumar ramaraju kracethekingma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi We have come long way with BangPypers meetup [1]. In last two years, we conducted regular workshops and talks. We have seen people travelling from different cities to attend our meetups. 82 people attended our last meetup! There are lot of companies use Python in Bangalore. Most of these companies approach the organizing team for leads to hire developers. We don't share any participant info and don't want to. We redirect them to ML and other job boards. There was a suggestion of having 10 minutes slot at the end of the meetup where companies can speak about them and openings for 2 minutes. Thoughts ? Any other ways to facilitate this ? [1]: https://meetup.com/bangpypers -- *Thanks RegardskracekumarTalk is cheap, show me the code -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com http://kracekumar.com* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
