[Newbies] How to remove the need of the Squeak.source file

2007-03-06 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
For distribution purpose to end user, I don't want to ship the Squeak.source file. How can we remove the check of the sourcefile at image start up ? Hilaire ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org

RE: [Newbies] Where do I put it?

2007-03-06 Thread Ron Teitelbaum
Hi Blake, I agree that you questions have general value and I'm happy to help publicly. I only offered to help you offline because it is clear that you are getting something from our conversation so I wanted to remove the distractions of the public list if it was causing any difficulty. It does

RE: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Ron Teitelbaum
Hi JP, This is not an easy question. There are a number of things that you need to consider. First you need to decide how secure the update needs to be. If you are not worried about security then you have a much easier job and many more options. In general Squeak is not secure, but it is also

[Newbies] Squeak slows to start up in Windows

2007-03-06 Thread Hilaire Fernandes
I am pretty sure I read it somewhere in the Squeak mailing list why Squeak can be slow to start in Windows... but I cannot find the information. I have just rename the image and executable with the same name, located in the same directory, but it start a bit slowly, about 20s. What is the

RE: [Newbies] Squeak slows to start up in Windows

2007-03-06 Thread Emilio Oca
Hilaire I think the reason is something like that Squeaks queries Windows to now if an image is available in its directory, if there are more than one it opens a file chooser. If you create a shortcut and within you state the appropriate image as a parameter the time to start-up is greatly

Re: [Newbies] Squeak slows to start up in Windows

2007-03-06 Thread Brad Fuller
Hilaire Fernandes wrote: I am pretty sure I read it somewhere in the Squeak mailing list why Squeak can be slow to start in Windows... but I cannot find the information. I have just rename the image and executable with the same name, located in the same directory, but it start a bit slowly,

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Jens Pall
Ron Teitelbaum wrote: Hi JP, This is not an easy question. There are a number of things that you need to consider. First you need to decide how secure the update needs to be. If you are not worried about security then you have a much easier job and many more options. In general Squeak is

[Newbies] Uploading Patches and Enabling Features in Commercial Systems

2007-03-06 Thread Ron Teitelbaum
Hi JP, OK before answering let me say that these are only suggestions and you are responsible for taking suggestions as suggestions. In other words I can not be responsible for anything that goes wrong on your system, use my suggestions at your own risk. THE OPINION IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Jens Pall
Bert Freudenberg wrote: You could buy impara's Plopp (made in Squeak), and if you find it secure enough, contact them for how they did it: http://store.eSellerate.net/s.aspx?s=STR8699827788 - Bert - Interesting! Thanks for the tip, Bert. JP

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Brad Fuller
Jens Pall wrote: Hi How can I use Squeak in a commercial closed source project (whole image)? Have you seen how to lock down? http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/518 ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Jens Pall
Brad Fuller wrote: Jens Pall wrote: Hi How can I use Squeak in a commercial closed source project (whole image)? Have you seen how to lock down? http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/518 Yes, I've seen bits and pieces of the lock down procedure but haven't been able to successfully lock an image

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Brad Fuller
Jens Pall wrote: Brad Fuller wrote: Jens Pall wrote: Hi How can I use Squeak in a commercial closed source project (whole image)? Have you seen how to lock down? http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/518 Yes, I've seen bits and pieces of the lock down procedure but haven't been able to

Re: [Newbies] Squeak slows to start up in Windows

2007-03-06 Thread Blake
Takes about 3 seconds here, with image in different directory from VM. On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 07:39:08 -0800, Hilaire Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty sure I read it somewhere in the Squeak mailing list why Squeak can be slow to start in Windows... but I cannot find the

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Blake
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:10:00 -0800, Jens Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note I might mention that our current system is implemented in C++ and, if it turns out to be possible with respect to the topic of this thread, we are seriously considering porting it to Squeak. Croquet will

Re: [Newbies] Squeak slows to start up in Windows

2007-03-06 Thread Asselin Raymond
Takes about 3 seconds here, with image in different directory from VM. On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 07:39:08 -0800, Hilaire Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty sure I read it somewhere in the Squeak mailing list why Squeak can be slow to start in Windows... but I cannot find the

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Jens Pall
Brad Fuller wrote: Jens Pall wrote: This is a step inn the right direction but I'm a bit concerned about upgrades. How would I ship an upgrade without sending the whole image again? Can I somehow export the new/changed bytecode and import it at the customer's site? Can you not employ a

Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects

2007-03-06 Thread Jens Pall
Blake wrote: On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:10:00 -0800, Jens Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note I might mention that our current system is implemented in C++ and, if it turns out to be possible with respect to the topic of this thread, we are seriously considering porting it to Squeak.