Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
A few years back I purchased several ewes from a guy that never wormed he felt that the most worm resistance would survive. I let these ewes be my herds foundation. While I do worm once a year I have not loss any sheep or had any with bottle jaw. I do not rotate pasture. Before I was raising another breed of hair sheep and I was worming every three months and still loss lambs due to worms. I live in central Louisiana where the climate is perfect for the worms. I'am convinced that resistance can be into your herd. --- On Tue, 7/19/11, imgr8a...@comcast.net imgr8a...@comcast.net wrote: From: imgr8a...@comcast.net imgr8a...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 10:02 PM I feel very lucky after hearing all the problems some of you are having with worms. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:46:39 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry: I have nearly lost 2 over 12 years due to worms causing other disesase. I have found that worming 3 times one week apart every 6 months or so works for me. Right now we are in a drought and anything that is creating a demand on their system is just too much... I alternate with safeguard (panacur) and ivermectin in the feed. I put out just enough feed mixed with the wormer that I know that they will get it eaten within a few minutes. If there appears to be anyone that still has worms, I use oral ivomec. If you look at livestock concept's site, you will find hog wormer for mising in the feed. I use this. I use the recommended rate per animal, but once a week for 3 weeks. It has worked great, and I do not have to catch each one and drench it... Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: eubankac...@aol.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Jerry, I am in Central Florida. A few years back I was losing my lambs to worms. My vet recommended Safe-guard (fenbendazole) dewormer for goats. 2 cc once a week for three weeks for those showing signs of worms (bottle jaw). On the fourth week I had them tested and all was find. I give my lambs up to one year old 2 cc every other month. I have not lost any since. I questioned my vet about the fact this was labeled for goats? He said if we only gave sheep medicine that was labeled sheep we would not have any sheep left in the world. But I think Stephanie Parrish's worming method is better, expensive but better. I believe she uses Shaklee Basic-H. Joan Eubank ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Worming Blackbelly Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53
Sheep Group: Thanks for all your replies. It is clear that there are multiple techniques that we use for dealing with parasites. Some worm, some do not. Some use home brewed solutions, most use pharmaceuticals. You all report a variety of schedules and preventative measures. Thanks for the education. The fecal analysis came up with barber pole worm (Haemonchus contortus) and roundworm (trichostrongylus). So I have drenched with Panacur @ 10 cc per animal and will do so again in two weeks. I think I will copy the method several mentioned of periodic checking of the mucous membrane and only treating those with significant anemia and culling those that have to be treated more than once. It now occurs to me that all of the deaths are of lambs crossed with our Wiltshire ram and our ABB ewes. I conclude that the Wiltshire has passed on some diminished resistance to his offspring. I have been trying to produce a heavier lamb for the slaughter market with the Wiltshire. Maybe I would be better off using a Katahdin ram for that purpose. Anyway, thanks to all. What would we do without the Sheep Group? What a great educational tool. Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi - Original Message - From: Jerry blueberryf...@bellsouth.net To: Sheep Group blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:34:00 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths
Minerals play a huge role in our sheep's resistance to parasites. I remember Barb Lee had a ram a few years ago who had a perpetual problem with parasites until she upped his selenium intake, then he was like a whole other ram. Many of the health problems in our animals (and people) are mistaken for a genetic problem, but are actually a nutritional deficiency. Julian On 7/19/2011 1:34 PM, Jerry wrote: Fellow Blackbelliers, I have lost 3 ram lambs (all born in January) in the past 6 weeks, all from anemia due to parasites. I have had ABBs for 6 years now and lost a few others along the way but nothing like this year. I have been operating on the theory of letting those least resistant ones die out rather than pass on their genes. But three out of about 40 is too many and I took another one, clearly with anemia, and acting lethargic, to the vet today. These were all destined for the November market. The vet recommended Panacur at 10 ml per animal for the entire flock today and again in two weeks . Our farm is in hot, humid South Mississippi with lots of rain and grass. Our flock is divided into three sub-flocks. Two of these smaller groups are rotated onto various paddocks of pasture when the grass gets higher in another paddock. The biggest group is on more pasture than they can eat down (in the spring and summer anyway). All of the deaths have occurred in the smaller two flocks. My questions are these: Those of you who do not deworm, what is your average loss rate? I suppose it would be different in arid climates than in humid ones. Has anyone in a similar environment to mine found that you have to deworm regularly to keep the flocks healthy? And if so, how often? And with which pharmaceuticals? Thanks for your help and for any advice you may have, Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, Mississippi ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Parasite deaths/Worming
Have a look at http://www.leopold.iastate.edu/research/grants/1997/1995-34_Alternative_Parasite_Control_for_Sheep_%5B_Organic_%5D.pdf and http://ofrf.org/funded/summaries/allen_98-03_lamb-parasiticides_summary.pdf For a critique of both of these articles, see http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/critique_of_DE_studies.pdf Also of interest is http://eap.mcgill.ca/agrobio/ab370-04e.htm, which is an article entitled The Control of Internal Parasites in Ruminants. It is a good article (albeit sort of dated) that explains the life cycle of worms, dewormers to use, and alternative deworming methods. Easy to understand and a good primer on parasite management. Carol At 04:05 PM 7/20/2011, you wrote: I recall an article, and perhaps someone on this list remembers where, that presented worm loads in sheep pre and post chemical worming vs sheep maintained on an alternative, DE I believe. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
