Re: [Blackbelly] Pipestone Vet's ad about not feeding sheep mineral

2011-10-12 Thread Cecil R Bearden
A few years back I killed about 17 lambs with selenium shots.  If your 
soil or water has selenium in it, I would not even consider feeding any 
selenium supplement.  Selenium is another heavy metal just like 
arsenic.   A lot of feeds are supplemented with selenium so that it can 
be sent anywhere in the country. One problem with this is they do not 
test the grains in the feed for selenium, so the total amount may be 
higher.   If your growing area is lacking selenium, then this may be 
ok.  If you are in an area where this is naturally occurring then your 
sheep are getting plenty of this mineral and adding it in the mineral or 
feed will have disastrous results.  There have been some studies about 
selenium toxicity, but the results were screwed up because the people 
involved were not really taking adequate care of the animals.  They 
attributed nearly 80% of the death loss to pneumonia in  most of the  
studies.  Selenium poisoning will present as pneumonia when autopsied.   
It first attacks the stomach lining.  then kills the animal by 
suffocation from a bloody froth in the lungs which is created when the 
tissues creating the air/blood barrier in the lungs breaks down.


I saved one of my bottle  lambs affected by this.  I got it to nurse the 
bottle and we think that the milk diluted the selenium in the stomach.  
Selenium is also the active ingredient in locoweed.  The pain created in 
the stomach is what causes the animal to act loco.


Selenium builds up in the tissues and will release during stress.  I 
lost another lamb a week after the injection problem, when one of my 
lambs was stressed during moving them out of a wet wheat field.


This was several years back, but I remember this like it was yesterday.  
I also researched selenium toxicity, but the studies were so screwed up 
they were ridiculous.  The studies were paid for by the feed 
manufacturers and it appeared that the results were skewed in favor of 
the manufacturers.  One of the primary studies was done in Texas, As I 
remember,  nearly 15% of the sheep flock was lost, but the losses were 
attributed to pneumonia.  Many of these sheep were found and analyzed 
over 2 weeks after death.  As I stated earlier, selenium poisoning looks 
like pneumonia after the froth in the lungs has dried out.


My apologies for this long post, but you struck a nerve.  I will not 
feed any supplement that has selenium.  Our water supply well here in 
western OK has been moved due to high selenium content.


Cecil in OKla



On 10/11/2011 6:12 PM, Carol Elkins wrote:
Pipestone carried the following advertisement for their 
Selenium/Iodine Premix in this month's Pipestone Veterinary Clinic 
Sheep Newsletter and I am curious about what the rest of you think. 
I've never had a sheep die from sheep mineral, so the ad's leading 
sentence caught my eye.

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How many lambs and rams have to die before we quit using sheep mineral?

*There is no justification for feeding phosphorus to sheep.
*Consumption of sheep mineral is controlled by salt and flavoring 
agents, not by need.
*Sheep generally need salt, iodine and selenium in addition to their 
ordinary diet intake.
*Feedlot lambs need 20 lbs. of salt and 30 lbs. of limestone per ton 
of concentrate ration. Ammonium chloride can be added to further 
control urinary calculi.


Selenium/Iodine Premix (#8770) now contains trace minerals and iodine 
as well as selenium. Sodium molybdate is included to help ward off 
excess copper. We have added iodine and trace mineral to our sister 
product Vitamin E-Se-Iodine Premix (#6249). This should be fed win-ter 
and spring as Vitamin E content of feed stuffs declines.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE
Mix 1 lb. of either premix with 50 lbs. of salt.
Offer salt free choice.
#8770Selenium/Iodine Premix 5#  10.00
#6249Vit E/Se/Iodine 5# - $27.50
_


Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz

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[Blackbelly] Pipestone Vet's ad about not feeding sheep mineral

2011-10-11 Thread Carol Elkins
Pipestone carried the following advertisement for their 
Selenium/Iodine Premix in this month's Pipestone Veterinary Clinic 
Sheep Newsletter and I am curious about what the rest of you think. 
I've never had a sheep die from sheep mineral, so the ad's leading 
sentence caught my eye.

__

How many lambs and rams have to die before we quit using sheep mineral?

*There is no justification for feeding phosphorus to sheep.
*Consumption of sheep mineral is controlled by salt and flavoring 
agents, not by need.
*Sheep generally need salt, iodine and selenium in addition to their 
ordinary diet intake.
*Feedlot lambs need 20 lbs. of salt and 30 lbs. of limestone per ton 
of concentrate ration. Ammonium chloride can be added to further 
control urinary calculi.


Selenium/Iodine Premix (#8770) now contains trace minerals and iodine 
as well as selenium. Sodium molybdate is included to help ward off 
excess copper. We have added iodine and trace mineral to our sister 
product Vitamin E-Se-Iodine Premix (#6249). This should be fed 
win-ter and spring as Vitamin E content of feed stuffs declines.

DIRECTIONS FOR USE
Mix 1 lb. of either premix with 50 lbs. of salt.
Offer salt free choice.
#8770Selenium/Iodine Premix 5#  10.00
#6249Vit E/Se/Iodine 5# - $27.50
_


Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz

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