[Blackbelly] Fwd: facebook page for blackbelly sheep
Hi all, I recently started a new facebook page for Blackbelly Sheep. Both breeds, American and Barbados. It is a public page to discuss breeding and health issues, a place to buy and sell sheep. Just an all around page for Blackbelly Sheep lovers. Unlike the facebook.com pages that anyone can go to, you do have to have a facebook page to access it.If you have a facebook page, please take a moment to go there, hopefully you will join the group. And hopefully you will participate. It is yet another place to showcase our sheep, sell our sheep, etc.Page title is simply Blackbelly Sheep. Please feel free to post your sheep for sale here. Elaine Haas ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fencing for blackbelly sheep
I have the high-tensile electrified wire fencing. I have had some issues and have changed some of the initial fencing since it was put up. The younger rams are an issue with this fencing at 6 inches apart. After we changed it to 3 inches apart, there have been no issues with the younger rams. The sires are electrified The initial install had wires 6 inches apart. They need to be 3 inches apart, even at 3 inches apart, it was still cheaper than putting up the wire square fencing. I have the bottom half of the wires electrified and the top wire electrified. On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote: I often receive calls from people wanting to know what type of fencing is best for blackbelly sheep. I always tell them that 2x4 or 4x4 48-in.-high field fencing is preferred. But sometimes they ask what I think about 5-6 strand electric wire or tape. I have no experience with this type of fencing but have read that it isn't good for sheep. That may be true for wooled sheep, but I thought I'd ask you guys if it works for hair sheep. For those who use this type of fencing, what has been your experience? Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fencing for blackbelly sheep
We have been using electric fence WIRE for three years now and it works well. so well we can just put wire up, unpowered, and they respect it. I have found keeping the top wire at nose height is most effective we only use a second lower wire when we have young lambs. If the fence is to low it will lose effective power through touching grass especialy when wet. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for Windows 8 From: Tiana Franklintian...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, 17-Jul-2015 at 8:24 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] fencing for blackbelly sheep I recently purchased some electric fence and the first strand starts at 7above the ground and I have one sheep that will take the shock and justslip right under it which shows the rest how to escape so I have had to getcreative to stop her. Now I do feel she is a special case because she is myescape artist so other sheep may not be as bad but because of it I wouldrecommend the lowest strand to start at 3 from the bottom.TianaOn Jul 16, 2015 12:13 PM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.comwrote: I often receive calls from people wanting to know what type of fencing is best for blackbelly sheep. I always tell them that 2x4 or 4x4 48-in.-high field fencing is preferred. But sometimes they ask what I think about 5-6 strand electric wire or tape. I have no experience with this type of fencing but have read that it isn't good for sheep. That may be true for wooled sheep, but I thought I'd ask you guys if it works for hair sheep. For those who use this type of fencing, what has been your experience? Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info___This message is from the Blackbelly mailing listVisit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] fencing for blackbelly sheep
I recently purchased some electric fence and the first strand starts at 7 above the ground and I have one sheep that will take the shock and just slip right under it which shows the rest how to escape so I have had to get creative to stop her. Now I do feel she is a special case because she is my escape artist so other sheep may not be as bad but because of it I would recommend the lowest strand to start at 3 from the bottom. Tiana On Jul 16, 2015 12:13 PM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: I often receive calls from people wanting to know what type of fencing is best for blackbelly sheep. I always tell them that 2x4 or 4x4 48-in.-high field fencing is preferred. But sometimes they ask what I think about 5-6 strand electric wire or tape. I have no experience with this type of fencing but have read that it isn't good for sheep. That may be true for wooled sheep, but I thought I'd ask you guys if it works for hair sheep. For those who use this type of fencing, what has been your experience? Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep
Hello I'm new to this group and I hope to learn more about balckbellie sheeps Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
Just a thought, and this has nothing to do with mastitis. I have a friend who has been raising sheep for years. When she has triplets, she always take one away from the mother and gives it to someone else to bottle feed or she does herself. She told me, Liz/ with triplets, they all suffer. One does well, one mediocre and one is runty. Hers were wool sheep, don't know if that makes a difference. Liz Radi Nubian goats Nunn, Colorado --- uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Jim Isbell uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:06:45 -0500 We seem to have a sheep with mastitis. Susie (from Soggy Top) gave birth to triplets (2 rams and 1 ewe) on 03/18. All was well, lambs were between 4-5 lbs at birth. However, I woke up this morning to find the ewe lamb dead. No visible injuries, she just seemed a bit thinner than I would think is normal. Today, I see that one of the ram lambs is also looking on the thin side. So, after feeding the adult ewes, I worked with Susie and her lambs, noticing she isn't entirely enthusiastic about nursing them. Not running away, just not excited about it. So, I actually put her on the ground to give better access to her teats and put the thin ram lamb on one. I worked her udder/bag to get it started, and I noticed that she is pretty lumpy with some harder spots. Pretty sure she has mild mastitis. She still produces (some) milk. Nothing wrong with it (white, fluid - no blood, lumps or discharge). Seeing as you all are experienced sheep-folk, what is the remedy here? Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
One very important preventative measure is to ensure you provide clean and dry bedding. Lactating ewes can be more susceptible to mastitis if they are forced to bed in wet and confined areas. On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Elizabeth Radi lizr...@skybeam.com wrote: Just a thought, and this has nothing to do with mastitis. I have a friend who has been raising sheep for years. When she has triplets, she always take one away from the mother and gives it to someone else to bottle feed or she does herself. She told me, Liz/ with triplets, they all suffer. One does well, one mediocre and one is runty. Hers were wool sheep, don't know if that makes a difference. Liz Radi Nubian goats Nunn, Colorado --- uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Jim Isbell uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:06:45 -0500 We seem to have a sheep with mastitis. Susie (from Soggy Top) gave birth to triplets (2 rams and 1 ewe) on 03/18. All was well, lambs were between 4-5 lbs at birth. However, I woke up this morning to find the ewe lamb dead. No visible injuries, she just seemed a bit thinner than I would think is normal. Today, I see that one of the ram lambs is also looking on the thin side. So, after feeding the adult ewes, I worked with Susie and her lambs, noticing she isn't entirely enthusiastic about nursing them. Not running away, just not excited about it. So, I actually put her on the ground to give better access to her teats and put the thin ram lamb on one. I worked her udder/bag to get it started, and I noticed that she is pretty lumpy with some harder spots. Pretty sure she has mild mastitis. She still produces (some) milk. Nothing wrong with it (white, fluid - no blood, lumps or discharge). Seeing as you all are experienced sheep-folk, what is the remedy here? Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
Depends on the ewe-I have a ewe that for the last 3 years has given birth to triplets and has given them excellent care...I think she can count how many babies she has as 2 will nurse and then when one leaves the other steps up and she waits until the last one is done. She is an exceptional mother and I have never lost any and all grew big strong. -Original Message- From: Blackbelly [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Radi Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 6:24 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis Just a thought, and this has nothing to do with mastitis. I have a friend who has been raising sheep for years. When she has triplets, she always take one away from the mother and gives it to someone else to bottle feed or she does herself. She told me, Liz/ with triplets, they all suffer. One does well, one mediocre and one is runty. Hers were wool sheep, don't know if that makes a difference. Liz Radi Nubian goats Nunn, Colorado --- uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Jim Isbell uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:06:45 -0500 We seem to have a sheep with mastitis. Susie (from Soggy Top) gave birth to triplets (2 rams and 1 ewe) on 03/18. All was well, lambs were between 4-5 lbs at birth. However, I woke up this morning to find the ewe lamb dead. No visible injuries, she just seemed a bit thinner than I would think is normal. Today, I see that one of the ram lambs is also looking on the thin side. So, after feeding the adult ewes, I worked with Susie and her lambs, noticing she isn't entirely enthusiastic about nursing them. Not running away, just not excited about it. So, I actually put her on the ground to give better access to her teats and put the thin ram lamb on one. I worked her udder/bag to get it started, and I noticed that she is pretty lumpy with some harder spots. Pretty sure she has mild mastitis. She still produces (some) milk. Nothing wrong with it (white, fluid - no blood, lumps or discharge). Seeing as you all are experienced sheep-folk, what is the remedy here? Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
Hi Jim, We had a ewe several years ago who I believe had mastitis. It was her second birthing, twins, and her udder had become the size of a Dutch oven the day after the twins were born. It was hard and the lambs had trouble nursing. One teat seemed to work better than the other. I tried reading up on the problem, and what I ended up doing was massaging the udder with a warm towel. I did this a few times and it seemed to help her feel better. I also remember reading that it would help the udder go down if the lambs were able to nurse. The massaging is what seemed to loosen everything up for her. I had also read that if a ewe has mastitis that they are more susceptible to it in the future - I guess we got lucky because she never experienced it again. I had read about penicillin treatment too, like Cecil was saying, but I opted to try the less invasive and more user-friendly fix first - and it worked here. Good luck with your ewe! ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
We seem to have a sheep with mastitis. Susie (from Soggy Top) gave birth to triplets (2 rams and 1 ewe) on 03/18. All was well, lambs were between 4-5 lbs at birth. However, I woke up this morning to find the ewe lamb dead. No visible injuries, she just seemed a bit thinner than I would think is normal. Today, I see that one of the ram lambs is also looking on the thin side. So, after feeding the adult ewes, I worked with Susie and her lambs, noticing she isn't entirely enthusiastic about nursing them. Not running away, just not excited about it. So, I actually put her on the ground to give better access to her teats and put the thin ram lamb on one. I worked her udder/bag to get it started, and I noticed that she is pretty lumpy with some harder spots. Pretty sure she has mild mastitis. She still produces (some) milk. Nothing wrong with it (white, fluid - no blood, lumps or discharge). Seeing as you all are experienced sheep-folk, what is the remedy here? Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
Mastitis is a real pain. You need to feed the lambs on a bottle and restrict their access to that udder milk. They can get an infection from it. You can infuse the udder with Penicillin, based mastitis treatment. You will have to use cattle treatments as there are none available for sheep. Also you will need to give her some rather massive amounts of Penicillin to treat that mastitis systemically. I would use Combiotic at the rate of 6cc per day. I forget the dosage, but use the maximum on the bottle for the same weight as for cattle. The udder is like a sponge with warm milk in it. Think how you would disinfect a sponge. Cecil in OKla On 3/21/2015 12:06 PM, Jim Isbell wrote: We seem to have a sheep with mastitis. Susie (from Soggy Top) gave birth to triplets (2 rams and 1 ewe) on 03/18. All was well, lambs were between 4-5 lbs at birth. However, I woke up this morning to find the ewe lamb dead. No visible injuries, she just seemed a bit thinner than I would think is normal. Today, I see that one of the ram lambs is also looking on the thin side. So, after feeding the adult ewes, I worked with Susie and her lambs, noticing she isn't entirely enthusiastic about nursing them. Not running away, just not excited about it. So, I actually put her on the ground to give better access to her teats and put the thin ram lamb on one. I worked her udder/bag to get it started, and I noticed that she is pretty lumpy with some harder spots. Pretty sure she has mild mastitis. She still produces (some) milk. Nothing wrong with it (white, fluid - no blood, lumps or discharge). Seeing as you all are experienced sheep-folk, what is the remedy here? Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep Mastitis
That should have read - massaged her udder with a MOIST warm towel. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] 2009 Superbowl Budweiser Ad with American Blackbelly sheep
I'm a little late sharing this with you but it is worth watching. I think this is the 2009 Budweiser Superbowl Ad. It has some great American Blackbelly sheep in it. Watch closely or you'll miss 'em! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb3fhsfs6ZU Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] 2009 Superbowl Budweiser Ad with American Blackbelly sheep
Yep. That's an ABB. Good eyes Jann Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Carol Elkins celk...@critterhaven.biz wrote: I'm a little late sharing this with you but it is worth watching. I think this is the 2009 Budweiser Superbowl Ad. It has some great American Blackbelly sheep in it. Watch closely or you'll miss 'em! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb3fhsfs6ZU Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Hello! - American Blackbelly Sheep
Hello! My wife and I are interested in starting a flock of American Blackbelly sheep here on our farm in NW Arkansas. Plenty of land, good grass, water sources, woven wire fence - pretty much everything we need for sheep (I think!). However, we have had a heck of a time finding breeders online that are still working this type of sheep. We do have a few contacts for getting some young sheep this spring, though. Basically, just wanted to introduce myself and make a general inquiry Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Hello! - American Blackbelly Sheep
Hi, Jim. Welcome to the fun world of AB sheep! I adore mine. I'm sure you will enjoy yours. I live in San Diego County, CA. Not sure if that's too far for you, but if you're interested I have 2 American Blackbelly ram lambs currently for sale for $175 each. Both are 6 mos. old ready to start breeding! They have beautiful color ideal markings. They are both in excellent health have good horn set growth. I'm attaching photos of them their sire, Dandy, for you to check out. Though their dams sire are registered, the ram lambs are not currently registered. I like to give my customers the option to name their sheep names they like, as once a sheep is registered, their registration name can never be altered. I will be happy to help you with the registration procedures. If interested, please feel free to call me at (760) 519-0498. Sincerely, Kathleen Wallis Eagle Rock Farm On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Jim Isbell uncarved_bl...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello! My wife and I are interested in starting a flock of American Blackbelly sheep here on our farm in NW Arkansas. Plenty of land, good grass, water sources, woven wire fence - pretty much everything we need for sheep (I think!). However, we have had a heck of a time finding breeders online that are still working this type of sheep. We do have a few contacts for getting some young sheep this spring, though. Basically, just wanted to introduce myself and make a general inquiry Thanks, Jim Isbell To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business. - Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep temperment
Hi we raise several breeds including horned blackbellies. We call it personality. And I feel that it is hereditary. We cull any ram who shows tendency to be a fighter, hit on gates etc. We have found this a good indicator of how they will be when they get older. We only breed the most docile ram also so it passes that trait on for the most part. Now we only get a bad apple every once in awhile. If he has great horns he is penned by himself until its time to sell him or we get another that is compatable with him. This includes bottle raised rams. Nancy www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch or www.rackasheep.webs.com ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Thanks to all who registered American Blackbelly sheep
Thank you to everyone who came forward to register their American Blackbelly sheep prior to the BBSAI's December 31, 2012 deadline for registering undocumented American Blackbelly (AB) sheep. During the past month and a half leading up to the 12/31/12 deadline, we were able to register approximately 250 - 300 beautiful American Blackbelly sheep who met the BBSAI's AB Breed Standards but who did not have a registered sire and dam. These animals are now a part of the gene pool of registered AB stock. Buyers looking for purebred, registered AB sheep can go to the Breeder Directory page of the BBSAI's web site at www.blackbellysheep.org to find a breeder who raises these beautiful, exotic horned animals. Starting on January 1st, 2013, the American Blackbelly (horned) breed is now a closed registry, meaning that AB sheep must come from two registered AB parents in order to be registerable themselves. The Barbados Blackbelly (polled) breed has already been a closed registery for several years. These registries were kept open for many years to allow breeders to come forward and register their stock, as long as the animals met the AB or the BB breed standards. The BBSAI's registry of AB and BB sheep now numbers over 3,000 registered sheep. Sincerely, Mary Swindell Registrar, BBSAI ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Breeder in NC Triad Area
Hi All, I live in Mocksville, NC. I am interested in finding a blackbelly sheep breeder in NC close to Mocksville / Winston-Salem. Does anyone know a breeder in this area? Thanks,Sydney S. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Breeder in NC Triad Area
Hi Sidney, You can go to the BBSAI website at www.blackbellysheep.org, then go to the Breeder Directory. Breeders are listed by state. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: Sydney Seymour sk_seym...@hotmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:25:49 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Breeder in NC Triad Area Hi All, I live in Mocksville, NC. I am interested in finding a blackbelly sheep breeder in NC close to Mocksville / Winston-Salem. Does anyone know a breeder in this area? Thanks,Sydney S. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Breeder in NC Triad Area
Hi Nancy, Thanks. However, no breeders are listed for NC in the Breeder Directory. Regards, Sydney Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:00 AM, imgr8a...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Sidney, You can go to the BBSAI website at www.blackbellysheep.org, then go to the Breeder Directory. Breeders are listed by state. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: Sydney Seymour sk_seym...@hotmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:25:49 PM Subject: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Breeder in NC Triad Area Hi All, I live in Mocksville, NC. I am interested in finding a blackbelly sheep breeder in NC close to Mocksville / Winston-Salem. Does anyone know a breeder in this area? Thanks,Sydney S. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Breeder in NC Triad Area
Sydney, How about the surrounding states? Nancy On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Sydney Seymour wrote: Hi All, I live in Mocksville, NC. I am interested in finding a blackbelly sheep breeder in NC close to Mocksville / Winston-Salem. Does anyone know a breeder in this area? Thanks,Sydney S. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep transport resources
Since it has been so quiet on the list recently, I thought I'd mention a couple of sheep hauling outfits that you might want to know about if you need to transport those spring lambs pretty soon. Many of us have been using Ron Keener for years. His Web site is at http://travelwithronk.com/index.html but you also need to get on his Yahoo group to be part of the group commication effort of his schedule and whereabouts. He links to it right on his home page. Ron makes several coast-to-coast trips per year with door-to-door pickup and delivery. He is a goat breeder himself and cares for all livestock in his trailer as if it were his own. I also received a recommendation Worley's Hauling http://www.worleyshauling.com/ They have mostly horses posted on their site, but they don't mind at all hauling sheep and have smaller stalls in their trailer for them and do care for all of their animals well. Valerie Wright of the United Horned Hair Sheep Association says that this is one transporter she would recommend from personal experience. Be prepared for sticker shock when you get an estimate from these guys. They are not gouging but their price is high. Fuel costs, food and board, equipment costs, all of those things make sheep transport seriously expensive. But I know many people who say that they could not make the same journey that the professionals do at any lower cost. So it is an option to consider, Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep scratching device
I purchased a horse item, but the sheep like it. It is a thick cylindrical piece of tubing like pvc, but on the outside is scratchy twine. You could plant a thick post such as a telephone pole and glue and staple the thick scratchy twine on it for the sheep to rub on. Nancy L. Johnson imgr8a...@comcast.net cell: 301 440 4808 - Original Message - From: Eileen epbreedl...@dsl-only.net To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:04:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep scratching device I'm not sure about the sheep, but my pygmy goats loved to scratch against a chain link panel that I put up to keep them out of our outdoor freezer room. It was pretty effective; I had to go clean gobs of goat hair from the backside. I will try this with the sheep. Eileen -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info]On Behalf Of blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.i nfo or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. sheep scratching post (Carol Elkins) 2. Re: sheep scratching post (swkparr...@gmail.com) 3. Re: sheep scratching post (Michael Smith) 4. Re: sheep scratching post (Elizabeth Radi) 5. (no subject) (Lucinda) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:29:55 -0700 From: Carol Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Message-ID: 20120110012957.9f41648...@diego.dreamhost.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:36:07 + From: swkparr...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Message-ID: 1949930397-1326159368-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-59775791-@b 5.c25.bise6.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Mine like to rub on a cattle panel held vertically by T-posts. We have one in the middle of a pasture, we hang hay feeders on it. We also use cattle panels to make small catch pens inside the pastures; they rub on those too. Probable any kind of fencing would do. Stephanie --Original Message-- From: Carol Elkins Sender: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info ReplyTo: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Sent: Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:34:13 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Message-ID: cahikykhkghe+vcdat5qyd8vfrd-glhpjdssv6+8i9kfwb83...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should ask. I am seriously considering something heavy-duty with large 1 wooden dowels sticking out horizontally, like a huge bed of nails with the nails maybe 8 to 12 apart. The wooden dowels would, of course wear down and be chewed on, but it should last several seasons if they are about a foot long. I think the goats and ewes could handle
Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post
Michael, I would think someone would poke out an eye, if I am picturing what you are describing. We have been thinking about getting one of those old street cleaning brushes, and mount it vertically on a round post. Would be nice to mount 2 side by side, so they could scratch both sides at the same time. We have both sheep and goats that like to scratch. But they are heavy, and we don't have heavy equipment to mount them. Also, they seem to be hard to locate. Liz Radi Nubian goats and Katahdin Hair Sheep Nunn, Colorado 970-716-7218 idaralpaca.blogspot.com --- mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:34:13 -0800 Funny you should ask. I am seriously considering something heavy-duty with large 1 wooden dowels sticking out horizontally, like a huge bed of nails with the nails maybe 8 to 12 apart. The wooden dowels would, of course wear down and be chewed on, but it should last several seasons if they are about a foot long. I think the goats and ewes could handle it. The rams, idiots that they are, would probably try to challenge it, and destroy it, or their faces. This design is still in my head. I have an 8 month old (human) to worry about and may not get to it this year. This idea came from watching them work over a large willow trunk base I have lying on it's side in their pasture. They also like to scratch on things like this in the summer. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep scratching device
I'm not sure about the sheep, but my pygmy goats loved to scratch against a chain link panel that I put up to keep them out of our outdoor freezer room. It was pretty effective; I had to go clean gobs of goat hair from the backside. I will try this with the sheep. Eileen -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info]On Behalf Of blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.i nfo or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blackbelly-requ...@lists.blackbellysheep.info You can reach the person managing the list at blackbelly-ow...@lists.blackbellysheep.info When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. sheep scratching post (Carol Elkins) 2. Re: sheep scratching post (swkparr...@gmail.com) 3. Re: sheep scratching post (Michael Smith) 4. Re: sheep scratching post (Elizabeth Radi) 5. (no subject) (Lucinda) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:29:55 -0700 From: Carol Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Message-ID: 20120110012957.9f41648...@diego.dreamhost.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:36:07 + From: swkparr...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Message-ID: 1949930397-1326159368-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-59775791-@b 5.c25.bise6.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Mine like to rub on a cattle panel held vertically by T-posts. We have one in the middle of a pasture, we hang hay feeders on it. We also use cattle panels to make small catch pens inside the pastures; they rub on those too. Probable any kind of fencing would do. Stephanie --Original Message-- From: Carol Elkins Sender: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info ReplyTo: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Sent: Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:34:13 -0800 From: Michael Smith mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Message-ID: cahikykhkghe+vcdat5qyd8vfrd-glhpjdssv6+8i9kfwb83...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should ask. I am seriously considering something heavy-duty with large 1 wooden dowels sticking out horizontally, like a huge bed of nails with the nails maybe 8 to 12 apart. The wooden dowels would, of course wear down and be chewed on, but it should last several seasons if they are about a foot long. I think the goats and ewes could handle it. The rams, idiots that they are, would probably try to challenge it, and destroy it, or their faces. This design is still in my head. I have an 8 month old (human) to worry about and may not get to it this year. This idea came from watching them work over a large willow trunk base I have lying on it's side in their pasture. They also like to scratch on things like this in the summer. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Carol Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: I'd like to give my sheep
[Blackbelly] sheep scratching post
I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post
Mine like to rub on a cattle panel held vertically by T-posts. We have one in the middle of a pasture, we hang hay feeders on it. We also use cattle panels to make small catch pens inside the pastures; they rub on those too. Probable any kind of fencing would do. Stephanie --Original Message-- From: Carol Elkins Sender: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info ReplyTo: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post Sent: Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] sheep scratching post
Funny you should ask. I am seriously considering something heavy-duty with large 1 wooden dowels sticking out horizontally, like a huge bed of nails with the nails maybe 8 to 12 apart. The wooden dowels would, of course wear down and be chewed on, but it should last several seasons if they are about a foot long. I think the goats and ewes could handle it. The rams, idiots that they are, would probably try to challenge it, and destroy it, or their faces. This design is still in my head. I have an 8 month old (human) to worry about and may not get to it this year. This idea came from watching them work over a large willow trunk base I have lying on it's side in their pasture. They also like to scratch on things like this in the summer. -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Carol Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: I'd like to give my sheep something to scratch on besides my fence (they are really hard on fences). Come spring when they want to help their shedding along, it would be nice if they had something prickly or scratchy to rub up against. Have any of you made something for your sheep to scratch on? Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sheep Mineral
I picked up my grain and a bag of sheep supplement today. The 50lb bag is made by Purina Mills, cost me $29.90, and says right on the front of the bag Added Selenium for Areas Low in Selenium. The local NCRS guy is supposed to call me Monday. The gal that answered the phone didn't ever remember seeing any soil tests that came back where Selenium was even tested for. The Purina supplement also has Phosphorus that Pipestone was concerned about (It was interesting that Pipestone is anti phosphorus yet added Selenium to their salt block.) The Copper level is reported as being kept very low. It has the Iodine that I do need. Recommended feed quantity is 0.25 to 0.75 ounces per day. For my twenty sheep, at mid-level feed quantity, that ends up being about 80 days worth. I think that is probably what I had been feeding the other supplements at. Both previously used brands also said for free choice which I never did. I mixed it in with their grain. Being strapped for finances and keeping things to a minimum has probably kept me from overdosing! While at Tractor Supply I tried to find a salt block with Iodine. No luck. There was a mineral block (very limited minerals) for horses and cattle that had Iodine but it also had lots of Copper. Maybe I can buy a people salt block! Our salt has iodine added unless maybe you are using sea salt which I haven't seen with iodine yet. Could we buy bags of salt with iodine and make our own blocks? -eldon- ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Fwd: RE: Barbados Blackbelly sheep
Folks, here is a link about a fire in southern California yesterday. Look closely at the pictures of 35 American Blackbelly sheep that survived the fire, although some are scorched from the tremendous heat of the fire. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cajon-fire-20110904,0,5879720.story More photos are here: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cajon-pass-fire-pictures,0,6280404.photogallery If you follow the link to pictures taken of the fire you will see more pictures of the sheep and desperate circumstances the owner now faces with his tremendous loss. Although his home was fully paid for, he didn't have insurance. Hopefully he will be able to feed the survivors of the fire but what about medical help for them? He lost everything he owned, everything was burned to the ground but somehow the sheep survived, shielded from the flames by their protector, a Lama, shown in photographs to be very badly burned. I'm hoping that one of you or someone you know could offer to temporarily provide pasture for them to graze or help him decide what to do for the survivors. Although I do not know this gentleman, I do know that in times like this you just don't think clearly, and sometimes it's through the help of outsiders that can make a huge difference. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep Record for sale on Amazon
I ran across this record on Amazon featuring a seriously decked-out blackbelly ewe. Judging from the songs on the album, I doubt the artists have a great deal of appreciation for the kind of music our sheep might like. Playing one of these songs would definitely cause my flock to bolt for the river. But the cover is cool! http://www.amazon.com/Black-Belly-Sheep/dp/B001EJWXOM%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAIGASBUYVEB7MTLPA%26tag%3Dthefoodrecipe-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB001EJWXOM Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep and onions
Hello Peter, It was interesting to read about Blackie eating the grilled onions and how much they were enjoyed. I feed onions to my sheep all the time. Anytime I trim the onion ends and skins, they go into the sheep bowl. Although some of the sheep are more particular than others, Tess my oldest ewe has the biggest variety of things she likes. They include; lemon rinds, oranges, onions, artichoke leaves and heart (after I have eaten my part), noodles (I usually cook too many), watermelon/cantaloupe rinds any trimmings from vegetables and the list goes on. When potato or tortilla chips are just crumbs in the bag they go to the sheep or the chickens. The sheep especially Tess also love corn and flour tortillas. I have probably left some things out but it gives you an idea of just what these critters will eat. Have fun, Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep cat video
Michael, Really enjoyed watching the video of your sheep and cat, thanks for sharing it. Cathy Mayton LeapN Lambs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep treats
Ours are partial to Cheerios or most any kind of stale cracker or nuts. I bring them in at night by waving a plastic yogurt container of treats from the top of our hill. They have can see it for a couple hundred feet at least (if the weeds are not too high) Peter Kathy Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sheep for sale in Ca
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[Blackbelly] growth rate for American Blackbelly sheep
Jerry, with less than 4 years experience, I am a newbie at raising American Blackbelly sheep (AB). However, most times at 3 mo old my lambs weigh between 28-38 lbs. I've had a ram lamb that weighed 48 lbs at 3 mo. We recently took a yearling ewe and wether to the butcher and the ewe weighed 72 lbs and the wether 94 lbs live weight. I have 3 adult rams Zeke who will be 4 in January, weighing about 165 lbs., his son Indy at 170 lbs and Gambler about 135 lbs. These weights were taken summer of 2008 and I need to get a better set-up to be able to weigh the adults. On average the wethers grow better than the ewes and most times weigh just under 100 lbs at 11-12 months. Rams of course will out grow the ewes but I don't keep ram lambs because they are usually wethered or sold as ram lambs. I do have a ewe though that will be 2 the end of January, who is larger than my other ewes and I'm guessing she probably weighs close to 120 lbs. The older adult ewes most likely easily weigh well over 100 lbs and once I get a scale than I can report better on adult weights. I think as Carol mentioned, they don't rich their full potential until they are 2 years old. I am breeding for larger animals, long bodies (for more chops), meaty shoulders, rumps and less wool. I culled many from my first crop due to what I felt was too much wool. Unless a lamb is sold and the new owner wants it registered, I don't normally register my sheep until they are close to a year old. This way I can cull traits that I don't care to have. In fact I have 3 yearling ewes (born October 2008) that I need to register. If they are too wooly then they are sold or put in the freezer, which was the case of the yearling ewe.too wooly. My stock animals came from breeders in CA. In May this year, we moved to NE Texas and have seen a few AB's. It appears that the sale barns lump BB's and AB's together and call them barbado's. So far what I have seen here is that the sheep are much smaller than mine. I don't breed my ewes until they are at least a year old to give them time to grow so they are close to 17 months years old or better before they have their first lambs. As a long time BB breeder, Carol gave you some very beneficial information from around the country regarding the AB's, and what I have described above is just my experience with my small flock of AB's. Like Carol, I am not sure the cause of your wethers being very lightweight. My sheep were dry lot fed alfalfa hay and grain when we lived in NV. Since moving to NE Texas, they have grass to graze on and are grain fed as well. Now that winter is here, they are getting hay and their grain twice a day. Maybe some of the other AB breeders can give you their flock statistics. If you are looking for a ram, I want to sell Zeke since I have his son Indy, I don't need 2 of the same blood line. Hope this information is helpful to you. Cathy Mayton LeapN' Lambs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep
At 06:44 PM 12/9/2009, blueberryfarm wrote: Fellow Shepherds, I have 5 ABB wethers that were born in February. Their weights now range between 34 and 53 pounds. They have always been pasture fed, except for some occasional sweet feed to keep them trained to the bucket. Do you'll experience similar variation in growth weights? Are these weights in the normal range for 9-10 month wethers? I appreciate your comments. Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, MS In general, yes. There is a lot of variation in growth rate and maximum size in ABBs. A few breeders have taken on the task of weeding out the smaller and slower growing animals(and parents) from their gene pools, and have been rewarded with larger, faster growing animals. It takes time, but the rewards are there. Just don't overlook the overall quality and structure of the animal while focusing on growth and size. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Growth Rate for American Blackbelly Sheep
Fellow Shepherds, I have 5 ABB wethers that were born in February. Their weights now range between 34 and 53 pounds. They have always been pasture fed, except for some occasional sweet feed to keep them trained to the bucket. Do you'll experience similar variation in growth weights? Are these weights in the normal range for 9-10 month wethers? I appreciate your comments. Jerry Kirby Windmill Farms LLC Picayune, MS ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] sheep noises
My blackbellies make this guttral sound when they have a new lamb and are cleaning it up... Cecil in OKla Carla Amonson wrote: I have found in our flock that the Barbs do not make any noises except when they have lambs-they call their babies, and both holler of they are separated. After weaning it is all quiet again. But, even when they do talk, they are nothing like a wool sheep. We can always hear the father-in-laws sheep and he is a half mile away from us through the bush. My Soay are the same, but they make an additional noise that I have not heard in the Barbs. They make a gutteral crooning sound to their babies that is really sweet I find-like they are purring to them when they are concerned but not overly stressed. Maybe someone else can comment if they Barbs do this? Carla __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] The going price for blackbelly sheep
Stewart, you have not identified which breed of blackbelly sheep you raise. As I indicated, there are two breeds--American Blackbelly (rams have horns) and Barbados Blackbelly (rams do not have horns). Also, please do me a favor: when you respond to a message you received in digest form, please change the subject line of your message so that it doesn't read Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 5, Issue 91 and please delete all of the content of the digest message you're using to reply to except a sentence or two from the original message. Thanks for your help! Carol At 08:31 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: Carol, i have non-registered blackbelly sheep located in south Mississippi. (Carriere, MS) thanks, s2 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] The going price for blackbelly sheep
Hi all, We raise Am. Blackbelly sheep and have had pretty good luck selling our stock here in the high desert of central Oregon. For adult breeding quality rams and ewes we ask between $125.00 and $175.00. For youngsters of breeding quality, we ask $90.00 to $125.00. If a buyer buys multiple animals...we discount on the total price. Young butcher rams usually sell from $65.00 to 85.00...again depending on the size of the sale and the weight of the rams. We currently have 15 sheep and are awaiting a population explosion any minute!! Beth in Powell Butte, OR ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] the going price of American Blackbelly Sheep in Alberta
We sold our ram lambs off the ewes for $140 last fall and small ewes for $100 (CAN). We sold cull ewes for $100. At the sale I went to last month the average rams were $160 the one with large horns but poor conformation went for $260, ewes were about $100 and there was nothing there to get excited about by any means, lots were crosses with mouflons or had white on their faces..not sure what they were crossed with, though the guy said they were not purebred. Most rams that I find are selling for about $300-350, and there is no hunt market here, we have to sell to Sask. There is a rumour in the air that that might be changing though. Would be good news for us. Carla Amonson We did not change as we grew older; we just became more clearly ourselves. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] The going price for blackbelly sheep
to all, what is the going price for blackbelly sheep? i have a neighbor interested in raising their own sheep. please provide a price for both a Ram and Ewe. thanks to all, s2 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] The going price for blackbelly sheep
In central FL the price is around $150 for a ewe and $125 for a ram. Your location might be different, where are you located? Andrew Kay, Lost Empire Acres. --- Original Message --- From: stewart[mailto:s2k...@gmail.com] Sent: 5/31/2009 9:46:20 AM To : blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Cc : Subject : RE: [Blackbelly] The going price for blackbelly sheep to all, what is the going price for blackbelly sheep? i have a neighbor interested in raising their own sheep. please provide a price for both a Ram and Ewe. thanks to all, s2 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at % http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] The going price for blackbelly sheep
At 07:46 AM 5/31/2009, you wrote: what is the going price for blackbelly sheep? I read ads placed on Craigslist.com from all over the U.S. In general, unregistered blackbelly and barbado sheep seem to go for around $65 to $75. Based on asking prices posted to the BBSAI Classifieds page, registered or registerable American Blackbelly sheep range from $100 to $125. Rams with trophy-class racks go for $300+ Based on prices discussed in the Barbados Blackbelly Consortium, breeding stock sold outside the Consortium goes for $150 to $300. Slaughter lambs tend to be very regional in price. I have no trouble selling my lambs for $1.75/lb live weight. I usually grow a slaughter lamb to 80-90 lb, thus the lamb sells for $140 to $157.50. To answer your question in more detail, we need to know which breed of sheep you are interested in (American Blackbelly or Barbados Blackbelly) and where you are located. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] sheep video will keep you laughing
Oh, you guys have to watch this. I'm still rolling on the floor. 8-) Combine a bunch of sheep (the BAA-STUDS--say that fast three times), some seriously talented sheep herders, a bucket full of LED lights, and some cell phones , mix and stir. http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/blogs/sheep-leds-art-awesome Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep breeding
If you want to be sure all the ewes are bred go with a minimum of 40 days with a maximum of 60 days. That way you kind of know all ewes have cycled thru and been bred twice. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sheep 4-sale, N. CA
2 year old American Blackbelly Ram for sale. Dad Amer. Blackbelly, mama Amer. Blackbelly cross. Ram is modeled brown/black/white and larger in size than a standard American Blackbelly ram and has nicely shaped horns. Hes a nice looking Ram! Need to reduce herd, will sell for $50.00. Located in Northern CA Foothills near Sacramento. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for pictures. Also have 6 yr old Amer. Blackbelly ram, 5 yr Blackbelly ewe w/her Feb '08 lambs (ewe/ram) for sale. DeAnn Mad Dog Ranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Sheep slobber
I have long suspected that these things I call ABB sheep are actually pigs in disguise. When I offer my feed mix (corn + oats + soybean meal + DE - wetted) they bump and shove at the trough and gulp it down as fast as they can - somethimes choking in the process. When they start choking, they back off, slober and shake their heads and jump around until they clear their air passage. Then, they are right back at it. There are one or two that just don't seem to learn. John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, Alabama ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Protein Requirements of Blackbelly Sheep
I've been on a continuing quest to locate any research on nutrition from the major feed companies regarding protein content for about the past 3 months. To my surprise I haven't had a single producer/distributer respond to any of my requests for information other than to give me a copy of their label. I recently was asking here on the ListServe what some of you use as feed and got some interesting answers. I found an old publication (http://jas.fass.org/cgi/reprint/1932/1/37.pdf) and I was wondering if anyone might find this useful. If I'm reading into this publication correctly, it seems that it's saying that the high protein feeds are much higher than what is needed for our Blackbelly (Wool production utilizing 25-38% of the protein consumed - And our sheep aren't wool sheep). If I can draw a further conclusion from the information, it seems to me that the low 10% protein All-Stock is much more than adequate for feeding our sheep, even lactating sheep - And this is the least expensive commercial feed I see in feed stores/lots. If anyone else reads the article, can you verify I'm calculating this correctly? It seems to me that this could be a cost savings for people if they're using something else (As I am). Any other comments or information you might have would be appreciated. --David ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Protein Requirements of Blackbelly Sheep
David, Sheep don't really require require a concentrated (grain) feed of any kind. As ruminants, they are best adapted to eating grass (or hay) and not grain. In fact, too much grain will make their forestomach (rumen) too acidic and can actually sicken them. I'd recommend feeding grass or hay, a good mineral supplement (I like Fertrell's Grazier's Choice), and water and not much else. If you let them eat grass or feed a good quality hay, they will have all the protein they need. Best regards, Stephanie Parrish Westminster, SC On May 15, 2008, at 8:47 AM, David Mansur wrote: I've been on a continuing quest to locate any research on nutrition from the major feed companies regarding protein content for about the past 3 months. To my surprise I haven't had a single producer/distributer respond to any of my requests for information other than to give me a copy of their label. I recently was asking here on the ListServe what some of you use as feed and got some interesting answers. I found an old publication (http://jas.fass.org/cgi/reprint/1932/1/37.pdf) and I was wondering if anyone might find this useful. If I'm reading into this publication correctly, it seems that it's saying that the high protein feeds are much higher than what is needed for our Blackbelly (Wool production utilizing 25-38% of the protein consumed - And our sheep aren't wool sheep). If I can draw a further conclusion from the information, it seems to me that the low 10% protein All-Stock is much more than adequate for feeding our sheep, even lactating sheep - And this is the least expensive commercial feed I see in feed stores/lots. If anyone else reads the article, can you verify I'm calculating this correctly? It seems to me that this could be a cost savings for people if they're using something else (As I am). Any other comments or information you might have would be appreciated. --David ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Protein Requirements of Blackbelly Sheep
David, I'll read the article later, but wanted to let you know how we feed our sheep. We live in the high desert of central OR, by the way. One thing we do know is that our AB sheep do quite well on hay, water, free-choice minerals, free-choice baking soda and a salt block. We had our hay tested...that's a must so you know what you're starting point is. Our grass hay protein level is 11% which is great for the young rams. The lactating ewes, on the other hand get supplemented with alfalfa pellets (18%) and a Nutrena 4-way sweet feed which is 14%. The babies start nibbling on the sweetfeed and occasionally will bloat and froth, so you cannot give them too much. I had tried feeing cracked corn to that bunch...but it didn't work at all. Too many frothing babies running around til their rumens grew up a bit. We don't have any pasture, so everything our sheep eat...we have to buy. I believe our hair sheep are more goat-like, that is, they are brousers as well as grazers. They are a hardy breed of sheep and I just love them. Oh...we have 11 beautiful lambs now with one more ewe to go. I'm very pleased with this crop...they are all very nice. No lambing problems and no losses this time...as opposed to last summer when our lambing was a disaster. Way too hot here and we're not lambing in the summer ever again. Beth in OR ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sheep Sale Ads
Hi Carol, I've used the local Craigslist to advertise my sheep for sale. I've also had luck posting a flyer at the local feed stores. Most of them have free bulletin boards for sale ads. I tried an ad in the Thrifty Nickel which cost money to advertise...and I didn't have any response at all. My best luck, actually, has been my sale ads on the BBSAI Web site. Beth Stamper Sierra Luna Am. Blackbelly Sheep Powell Butte, OR ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] SHEEP FOR SALE
And all this time I thought they were connected Oh well, I better stick to sheep, I think I know more about them than websites... I do have many ram lambs this year, and since I had to bottle supplement 3 of them, I really cannot bear for them to go to slaughter I would like to find good homes for them as they are like pets. Or, I will have a bunch of wethers around here... Cecil in OKla This listserv is not related in any way to the BBSAI. In fact, the majority of the 262 subscribers to this listserv are not BBSAI members. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] SHEEP FOR SALE
Hi there, I must be out of the loop. We have been advertising our sheep for sale on the website rather than the list serve. What is proper? Mark Storey, Foley peak Farms ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] SHEEP FOR SALE
Hi Mark, By website I assume you are referring to the BBSAI Web site. This listserv is not related in any way to the BBSAI. In fact, the majority of the 262 subscribers to this listserv are not BBSAI members. I am Webmaster for the BBSAI, and I also host this listserv (which is why a lot of people mistakenly think this list is part of the BBSAI). People wanting to buy sheep can post a classified ad on the BBSAI site, but only members can post for sale ads. Because you are a BBSAI member, you can take full advantage of the BBSAI Classified page. Any subscriber to this listserv may post emails to the group to buy or sell sheep. Smart is better than proper any day, so if you're smart you will post your sheep for sale on both the BBSAI Web site and this listserv, too! What are some other places that people are using to advertise their sheep? Carol On 4/15/2008 8:55:55 PM, MARK STOREY ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi there, I must be out of the loop. We have been advertising our sheep for sale on the website rather than the list serve. What is proper? Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] sheep for sale
Barb, what will that more commercially viable sheep be? And will you continue to keep any blackbellies? Rick Krach Auburn, California (530) 889-1488 The only reason I am selling Dan is because I have made the decision to upgrade my flock to a more commercially viable type of sheep. Dan will be available in early March for $150. Please contact me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Barb Lee _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Sheep sing Jingle Bells
These are a hoot, particularly the sheep singing Land of Hope and Glory. Sadly, my blackbelly can't carry a tune. Posted By Susan Schoenian to http://mdsheepgoat.blogspot.com/2007/11/sheep-sing-jingle-bells.html%22Shepherd's Notebook at 11/27/2007 10:50:00 AM http://www.golakes.co.uk/img/xmassheep_sheep2.jpg Singing sheep (image from www.golakes.co.uk) The http://www.golakes.co.uk/default.aspLake District in Cumbria is one of England's most popular destinations due to its outstanding scenery of lakes and mountains which is home to thousands of sheep. It is also home to a flock of singing sheep. Originally, the Baarmy sheep recorded a classic English song, Land of Hope and Glory to support England's World Cup team. Due to the singing sheep's popularity, they released several more songs, including Jingle Bells, which has become a popular download on the Cumbria web site. You can watch videos of the Baarmy sheep songs or download them as ringtones or MP3 files. The video of the World Cup song shows sheep playing football (American soccer). http://www.golakes.co.uk/xmasbaarmysheep/Christmas Baarmy Sheep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJIEBLSFVI8Watch the Christmas video on YouTube http://www.golakes.co.uk/worldcupsheep/World Cup Sheep ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep on E-BAY
Just for fun looked at taxidermy on e-bay. Cannot believe how much people are getting for sheep skulls with horns attached not to mention head mounts. Here in southern Oregon I could not even get a guy to show up for two FREE live rams. When you see someone willing to pay $500.00 for a mounted head but you can't give away two beautiful healthy rams it sure makes you wonder. Those of you that butcher your boys soak the skulls in clorox and list them on e-bay...most that I saw listed were going for good money. Dayna ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep eating the barn
Sounds like they need salt or mineral. Mine will always eat the tree bark off the trees in the pen if they get nervous. Do you keep hay available near the barn. If they do not have something to nibble on they get nervous. Blackbelly Ewes have 2 gears, Eat and Crap. If they can't eat they can't crap and they get nervous. We will discuss Rams later. Cecil in Okla Beth or Garland Stamper wrote: Robert Roze wrote: I discovered that my sheep have recently taken to nibbling on the barn, which is made of wood. Hi Robert, The best product we've found for wood chewing by horses and sheep is Halt Cribbing. You paint it on or you can get a small spray can for touch ups. You can buy it at ranch stores or through most of the catalogs...like Jeffers. Good luck, Beth Stamper Sierra Luna Blackbelly Sheep Powell Butte, OR ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep eating the barn
Cecil Bearden wrote: Sounds like they need salt or mineral. Cecil, I agree. But...mine do have free access to salt and minerals. The baby lambs love to teeth on my barn so a little spray of halt cribbing deters them. I have a beautiful wooden barn...I don't want it eaten by anyone. I live on a 5 acre piece of juniper land on a ridge so there's no grass except in the spring. My sheep and horses are on dry lots and fed hay and some grain. We have noticed that the sheep and horses WILL chew because they are programmed to brouse/graze for most of 24 hrs in the wild. We wire wrap the trees that we want saved and also provide cut juniper limbs for them to chew on. Seems to help. They do get bored, also and want to chew. We feed hay at least 3 times a day, too. Beth in Central OR ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep eating barn
Aside from the afore mentioned minerals (loose minerals specifically for sheep, or a sheep mineral block, or a Sweet Lick for sheep), you can also try some Cider Vinegar. Poor in a bucket. Preferably raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar. I discovered that my sheep have recently taken to nibbling on the barn, which is made of wood. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep eating the barn
Hi Robert, I don't know about creosote, but how about putting metal on the areas of the barn that they're chewing on? I've had to do this on a couple of corners that seemed to be irresistible. Karen Winsper's Funny Farm Spokane, WA ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] sheep eating the barn
I discovered that my sheep have recently taken to nibbling on the barn, which is made of wood. I've heard that horses can be repelled from doing this by treating the barn with creosote. Does this work for sheep, too? Or are there any other ways to deter them? Thanks, Robert ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
We had 1 horse in with the sheep and now the horse is gone!! I saw him actually pick a full grown ewe up by the back of the neck and THROW her across the field. He didn't like to share the hay or feed, and was pestered by the lambs. I was terrified that he would stomp the babies on purpose. And, a friend of mine is nursing a 3 month lamb with a broke front leg and gapping neck wound because her horse done the same thing!!! Stephanie - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
I had a QH mare that used to be with my sheep and goats. She was wonderful, the kids and lambs would run all around and under her. The older bucks would pasture with her and they would rub on her. Now she is gone and I have another QH mare, who I think would be okay with them, but my other mare , an Appy , absolutely hates any intruders. So I would be very hesitant to put the sheep or goats out with them. I think the QH have a natural liking for cattle and other herd animals. Whereas, Appaloosas, I have found are kind of different. So far I have found that they have quirky personalities. Chris in Ontario. - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
I had a 4 yr old QH mare with my sheep and she injured 3 ewes, chased one down and caused her to go into labor during one of the coldest nights we had this winter, she did not survive. Then this mare bit the top of the head out of a lamb and ate it.It is only by the grace of God and my gun not being handy that I did not kill this mare on sight.I still have her if anyone is interested in a sheep killer. Before this I had a Morgan Mare and Gelding with the sheep all the time and never had any problems with them or dogs or coyotes. My Morgan Mare is gone now, but the Gelding is still here I had 2 donkeys with the sheep but they killed 2 lambs by stomping them. It depends on the horse. All horses are crazy, some more than others. Cecil in OKla Christine Handley wrote: I had a QH mare that used to be with my sheep and goats. She was wonderful, the kids and lambs would run all around and under her. The older bucks would pasture with her and they would rub on her. Now she is gone and I have another QH mare, who I think would be okay with them, but my other mare , an Appy , absolutely hates any intruders. So I would be very hesitant to put the sheep or goats out with them. I think the QH have a natural liking for cattle and other herd animals. Whereas, Appaloosas, I have found are kind of different. So far I have found that they have quirky personalities. Chris in Ontario. - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
My sheep run with the horses. I have more problems with my ram harassing the horses than vise versa. Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses I had a 4 yr old QH mare with my sheep and she injured 3 ewes, chased one down and caused her to go into labor during one of the coldest nights we had this winter, she did not survive. Then this mare bit the top of the head out of a lamb and ate it.It is only by the grace of God and my gun not being handy that I did not kill this mare on sight.I still have her if anyone is interested in a sheep killer. Before this I had a Morgan Mare and Gelding with the sheep all the time and never had any problems with them or dogs or coyotes. My Morgan Mare is gone now, but the Gelding is still here I had 2 donkeys with the sheep but they killed 2 lambs by stomping them. It depends on the horse. All horses are crazy, some more than others. Cecil in OKla Christine Handley wrote: I had a QH mare that used to be with my sheep and goats. She was wonderful, the kids and lambs would run all around and under her. The older bucks would pasture with her and they would rub on her. Now she is gone and I have another QH mare, who I think would be okay with them, but my other mare , an Appy , absolutely hates any intruders. So I would be very hesitant to put the sheep or goats out with them. I think the QH have a natural liking for cattle and other herd animals. Whereas, Appaloosas, I have found are kind of different. So far I have found that they have quirky personalities. Chris in Ontario. - Original Message - From: Chris Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their sheep herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other animals? Thanks, Eileen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] another market for blackbelly sheep
CArol, I have been attending a LOT of local livestock auctions lately, as part of a learning process before I start making bids or selling some of my other stock-- Yes-- the really young animals fetch a much higher price than the weaned ones-- I could not beieve the difference in price between a 'still wet' animal and one that would entail less work to finish growing out. I saw those recalls on the news last night-- and for certain-- I will mention this to the Farm group I belong to at Monday's meeting. What is really interesting-- a DOG AUCTION has been sold, and the buyer is moving to my area--I think I will check taht out for sales contacts... Terry W Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc.
Do you butcher first or do they buy on the hoof and they butcher. What is the approx price you sell at? - Original Message - From: The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc. Hi there, We are in Kansas near Kansas City and we have a commercial size ranch here. We have over 300 ewes of which over 50% are Barbados Blackbelly. We sell nearly all of ours to the local Kansas City market for meat. This year we are starting to contact restaurants in the area and sell directly to them. Mark Sharon Wintermute -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth or Garland Stamper Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:19 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc. DANA CLICKENGER wrote: I live in Southern Idaho and currently have 4 Blackbelly's. I have read that they are not grown comercially due to their slow growth weight and since they are hair sheep, fiber is out as well. Are most of you raising them as a hobby? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc.
In Kansas you have to sell a live animal. We sell at live weights at 1.30# or $50 minimum. We do deliver to the plant if they want. Most of the time they just pick one out and take it in the car/truck/SUV. We have an arrangement with the local guy and he likes it. Does a good job of getting both of us business. Sharon -Original Message- From: john judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 13, 2007 7:39 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc. Do you butcher first or do they buy on the hoof and they butcher. What is the approx price you sell at? - Original Message - From: The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc. Hi there, We are in Kansas near Kansas City and we have a commercial size ranch here. We have over 300 ewes of which over 50% are Barbados Blackbelly. We sell nearly all of ours to the local Kansas City market for meat. This year we are starting to contact restaurants in the area and sell directly to them. Mark Sharon Wintermute -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth or Garland Stamper Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:19 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc. DANA CLICKENGER wrote: I live in Southern Idaho and currently have 4 Blackbelly's. I have read that they are not grown comercially due to their slow growth weight and since they are hair sheep, fiber is out as well. Are most of you raising them as a hobby? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc.
Hi there, We are in Kansas near Kansas City and we have a commercial size ranch here. We have over 300 ewes of which over 50% are Barbados Blackbelly. We sell nearly all of ours to the local Kansas City market for meat. This year we are starting to contact restaurants in the area and sell directly to them. Mark Sharon Wintermute -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth or Garland Stamper Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:19 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc. DANA CLICKENGER wrote: I live in Southern Idaho and currently have 4 Blackbelly's. I have read that they are not grown comercially due to their slow growth weight and since they are hair sheep, fiber is out as well. Are most of you raising them as a hobby? ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly sheep, etc.
DANA CLICKENGER wrote: I live in Southern Idaho and currently have 4 Blackbelly's. I have read that they are not grown comercially due to their slow growth weight and since they are hair sheep, fiber is out as well. Are most of you raising them as a hobby? Hi Dana, We, too, raise Am. Blackbelly sheep, mostly for the entertainment!! Seriously, I love sheep, but didn't want to mess with wooly ones, so the BB sheep are just perfect for our 5 acre place. They are supposed to do the weeding, but we don't have all the fencing done yet. We have butchered 3 and love the meat. They are great moms, and our rams very respectful so for us they are perfect. Besides, I can't see breeding my mares just now so instead we have baby lambs to play with. Beth Stamper Powell Butte, OR ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep liquidation
Cecil. Please put me on the list to contact when you are ready. I would only want one or two and that will depend on this crazy weather also. Watching the weather right now and it looks like your getting stuff. I am about an hour east so we are waiting and waiting. Been trying for almost 2 weeks to go get a load of my hay by Anadarko and it is not working with these roads. Stay safe. Oneta in OK Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:17 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep liquidation I will be selling about 50 head of my flock this spring. I just cannot keep up with the work it has taken to lamb 70 ewes in this $^%**# weather. I have raised all of them and they are not registered, but good healthy stock. If there are any problems ewes they will go to the sale barn or the freezer, not another list member. You all know I have taken excellent care of my sheep and I have taken pains to make sure they are sound animals. I just cannot keep up with them. Here is your chance to get some good stock. Cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here!
Kristi: Where are you in SE texas? I have to reduce my flock this spring. I have 80 and am only going to keep 30. I can work with the shipping. Cecil in OKla Linda Cook wrote: Kristi: We live in Ballinger, Texas - roughly between San Angelo and Abilene - in West Texas. Have three generations. Will send pictures if you are interested. We have more than our pasture will support. Linda Cook - Original Message - From: Kristi Brian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here! Wow, just catching up on posts and saw Barb and Mark post about the number of sheep they have - why can't ya'll be here in Texas?!? I can't find a blackbelly breeder locally (SE Texas) to save my life, and all I want is some more to help keep the pasture down :-) Can't afford to have any shipped, so am pretty much stuck with having the few I have I guess! Kristi Muck ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here!
Wow, just catching up on posts and saw Barb and Mark post about the number of sheep they have - why can't ya'll be here in Texas?!? I can't find a blackbelly breeder locally (SE Texas) to save my life, and all I want is some more to help keep the pasture down :-) Can't afford to have any shipped, so am pretty much stuck with having the few I have I guess! Kristi Muck ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here!
Kristi: We live in Ballinger, Texas - roughly between San Angelo and Abilene - in West Texas. Have three generations. Will send pictures if you are interested. We have more than our pasture will support. Linda Cook - Original Message - From: Kristi Brian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here! Wow, just catching up on posts and saw Barb and Mark post about the number of sheep they have - why can't ya'll be here in Texas?!? I can't find a blackbelly breeder locally (SE Texas) to save my life, and all I want is some more to help keep the pasture down :-) Can't afford to have any shipped, so am pretty much stuck with having the few I have I guess! Kristi Muck ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here!
Where in Tennesee is your farm located? Thanks, Chris B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie Jones Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:55 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here! Carr, How are the prices in TX? You stated that you generally take them to the auction. Here in Tennessee, we just about have to give them away until thay are about 7 months old. I would have TO PAY the auction barn if I ran them thru up here. Stephanie - Original Message - From: Carr DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep everywhere, but here! . My herd produced 18 lambs last month. I will be ready to sell some of them in the next two months. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] American Blackbelly sheep BLACK?
Hi all, you're always so helpful to us newbie Shepard's... Started lambing here in Freezing SW Idaho. (We let our ram roam) Had a big nice healthy bouncing baby boy last week. Woke up this morn to twins :-) Both up and healthy and females. This is moms first and she is taking to both of them well. We were a little surprised to see the 2nd one as it is pure black and cute as can be. How often does this happen in AB's? Are they more or less sought after on the (meatless) market or does it matter? Or is it considered a defect so to speak- thinking of wool sheep? Does it occur often as I have never seen an AB black sheep. The dad is sausage now as he was the ornery one I whined about a few months ago to ya all. But I am thinking it must be coming from the ewe as she has more back on her back sides than the rest of our flock. I have her mother and she is *normal* in color. Have never known her mother to have black lambs. The ewe's father is the father of the black lamb as well and don't know of any black lambs he has sired outher than this one. TIA, Elizabeth ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly sheep BLACK?
I had several that I started out with. One of my black ewes gave birth to a blackbelly colored lamb, a black ewe lamb and a blonde ewe lamb. The blonde has 2 inch horns. Shehas always gave birth to blackbelly marked lambs. The black ewe lamb later was sold and was bred to another black colored lamb and gave birth to a white lamb. Ain't genetics a crap shoot Cecil in OKla Elizabeth Willhite wrote: Hi all, you're always so helpful to us newbie Shepard's... Started lambing here in Freezing SW Idaho. (We let our ram roam) Had a big nice healthy bouncing baby boy last week. Woke up this morn to twins :-) Both up and healthy and females. This is moms first and she is taking to both of them well. We were a little surprised to see the 2nd one as it is pure black and cute as can be. How often does this happen in AB's? Are they more or less sought after on the (meatless) market or does it matter? Or is it considered a defect so to speak- thinking of wool sheep? Does it occur often as I have never seen an AB black sheep. The dad is sausage now as he was the ornery one I whined about a few months ago to ya all. But I am thinking it must be coming from the ewe as she has more back on her back sides than the rest of our flock. I have her mother and she is *normal* in color. Have never known her mother to have black lambs. The ewe's father is the father of the black lamb as well and don't know of any black lambs he has sired outher than this one. TIA, Elizabeth ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info llysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Average daily gain in blackbelly sheep
Hi Carol, Thank you for the link, I'll enjoy reading it in the midst of this typhoon. And thanks for the opportunity to yip about my favorite subject! :o) I collect data on my lambs, but I don't have enough data to be relevant yet, and I don't have averages. But I'd say that 5.75 lb at birth for my AB's may be a fair to low average. The smallest I've had is 5 pounds (currently gaining at about .47 lb/day) and the largest was probably the new guy, at 7 pounds 6 ounces. His twin brother was 7 pounds 5 ounces. We are shooting for a minimum birth weight of 6 pounds here, other factors being equal. I'd say most of my results are just the opposite of the ADG's you posted though, with lambs rarely falling below .4 lb/day up to weaning. .5 per day is considered excellent. What happens after weaning though, is a real crap shoot, as it seems there can be a real dead spot in gains after 4 months. For gains to pick up from only .28 lb/day up to weaning, then rocket up to .66 lb/day for lambs **at grass** to me would be an absolute miracle. Are these feed lot figures, where animals are fed for maximum gain? The closest figure I can give you is one of my nicest young ewes. At 281 days, she weighed 75.5 pounds. Assuming she weighed 7 pounds at birth, that makes a total of 68.5 pounds gained from birth, and an average lifetime average daily gain of .25 pounds. Early on however, her growth described the curve I have related above. So, your lamb below weighed 59.697 pounds at 270 days, and mine weighed 75.5 pounds at 281 days. I am a bit confused. I am going to have to go read the article. As a side note, I am beginning to discover that birth weights and gains are powerfully impacted by the mineral intake of the animals. We'll be doing a weigh-in of all the sheep this month, so I can report more then, but in the meantime, I would say that on a diet which includes a fairly unconventional mineral supplementation program, this crop of lambs has been the healthiest, best gaining, most robust bunch so far, and we've gone to almost zero parasite infestation. Regards, Barb Lee Blacklocust Farm Registered American Blackbelly Sheep http://www.blacklocustfarm.net - Original Message - From: Carol Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Average daily gain in blackbelly sheep Those of you wanting current information about blackbelly average daily gain (ADG) and other production parameters may be interested in a new paper entitled The production parameters of the Barbados Blackbelly and crossbred sheep in a controlled semi-intensive system and published at http://www.cipav.org.co/lrrd/lrrd18/4/solo18055.htm . The article does not define what a crossbred sheep is, but I'm assuming it is a similarly sized hair sheep. Sheep in this study were located in Guyana, South America. It would be interesting to see how closely the data correlate to Barbados Blackbelly and American Blackbelly sheep here in the U.S. If you collect this data, please let me know. The study uses metric measurement. For your convenience, 1 kilogram (kg) = 1000 grams (g) = 2.2 pound (lb) From the article's data, I've computed the following average daily gain (ADG) for male/female lambs: average birth weight = 2.6175 kg = 5.75 lb Wean weight at 90 days = 11.615 kg = 25.553 lb ADG = 0.28 lb/day Weight at 180 days = 19.175 kg = 42.185 lb ADG = 0.47 lb/day Weight at 270 days = 27.135 kg = 59.697 lb ADG = 0.66 lb/day Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear
If you get one, please pass along. I am sure there are several of us, including me, that could use the info. oj Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:07 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear Thanks for the response. Does anyone have a copy of a lamb meat cut label. I need one for a pattern to design a label for my sheep. I have tried scanning one in that I got from the buffalo meat company, but the safety instructions won't come out cecil in Okla I had a German Shepard who had a severe swelling in his ear once. He had a problem with gnats/flies while he was at a kennel (for breeding services) They did not take care of him properly and when he came home he got to shaking his haed so much, even after we cleaned his ear, that he got a HEMATOMA. The tiny blood vessels in his ear broke and made a bloodclot in between the front and back layers of skin on his ear.Needless to say surgery was required and all came out ok. But something to check out. Another thig is, around here this year ticks have been burrowing under the skin on the horses, causing big bumps/ swellings, like they have been stung by hornets. Look closely...this is a bad year for ALL insects...everywhere...on All animals. Helen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear
I had a German Shepard who had a severe swelling in his ear once. He had a problem with gnats/flies while he was at a kennel (for breeding services) They did not take care of him properly and when he came home he got to shaking his haed so much, even after we cleaned his ear, that he got a HEMATOMA. The tiny blood vessels in his ear broke and made a bloodclot in between the front and back layers of skin on his ear.Needless to say surgery was required and all came out ok. But something to check out. Another thig is, around here this year ticks have been burrowing under the skin on the horses, causing big bumps/ swellings, like they have been stung by hornets. Look closely...this is a bad year for ALL insects...everywhere...on All animals. Helen ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear
Hi Cecil, I've never heard of swollen ears in sheep before. I Googled the term and came up with a couple of things for you to look at, but I'm sure you've already been all over the Internet searching for answers. Most references to swollen ears in sheep are made in conjunction with Blue Tongue disease. (http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/diseaseinfo/notes/Bluetongue.pdf#search=%22she ep%20swollen%20ears%22) A gal wrote in to InfoVet about her lamb's swollen ears (http://tinyurl.com/no3sy) and in addition to blue tongue, the vet suggested it might be insect bites or snake bites. These often cause the head to swell. One other problem is called big head. It is a clostridial infection that also causes the head and neck to swell. Injuries or abscesses that become infected with bacteria can also cause the swelling. Let us know what you find out, Cecil. Good luck with your ewe! Carol At 10:02 PM 9/25/2006 -0500, you wrote: I have a blackbelly ewe with swollen ears. Both ears are over 3/4 inch thick and drooping. She seems ok otherwise. Anyone had this problem before. Can't find any sign of trauma or any parasites. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear
She is no worse this evening than she was. I gave her 5cc combiotic, 5cc Dexamathasone and 3 cc of Banamine. that should take care of inflammation. Whe is grazing and her lips and left side of her head are swollen. I am thinking it is wasp stings. we have some nestra around here. I gas each one I find, but I know it is not all of them. Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear Cecil I have not had that happen to my sheep but my older border collie had an ear infection last year and had to wear a drain for days and her other ear did it this year. They did surgery this time. She is now a house dog. It was from allergies she had built up and flies and her scratching. We have had an abundance of flies in the last few weeks since the weather has changed her in central ok. Yeah. Do not know if this helps but good luck. Oneta Oneta Johnson McLoud Telephone Company Data Entry/CSR Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol Elkins Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:56 AM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear Hi Cecil, I've never heard of swollen ears in sheep before. I Googled the term and came up with a couple of things for you to look at, but I'm sure you've already been all over the Internet searching for answers. Most references to swollen ears in sheep are made in conjunction with Blue Tongue disease. (http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/diseaseinfo/notes/Bluetongue.pdf#search=%2 2she ep%20swollen%20ears%22) A gal wrote in to InfoVet about her lamb's swollen ears (http://tinyurl.com/no3sy) and in addition to blue tongue, the vet suggested it might be insect bites or snake bites. These often cause the head to swell. One other problem is called big head. It is a clostridial infection that also causes the head and neck to swell. Injuries or abscesses that become infected with bacteria can also cause the swelling. Let us know what you find out, Cecil. Good luck with your ewe! Carol At 10:02 PM 9/25/2006 -0500, you wrote: I have a blackbelly ewe with swollen ears. Both ears are over 3/4 inch thick and drooping. She seems ok otherwise. Anyone had this problem before. Can't find any sign of trauma or any parasites. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear
Haven't seen any thing from the list for a few days. Hope everything is oK I have a blackbelly ewe with swollen ears. Both ears are over 3/4 inch thick and drooping. She seems ok otherwise. Anyone had this problem before. Can't find any sign of trauma or any parasites. cecil in OKla ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Sheep Poo Paper
For those of you who are as glad as I am that it's Friday, here's something you can do this weekend (or some cold weekend this winter): have a go at making SHEEP POO PAPER (http://www.creativepaperwales.co.uk/) To get you started, have a look at http://www.creativepaperwales.co.uk/make_paper.asp The links on this Web site are hard to identify--you have to roll over the text to discover whether or not it is a link--the text is not underlined. The site is worth exploring, however. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Blackbelly Sheep for sale
Hope I am not out of line in posting this on the list. I am offering for sale Blackbelly Hair Sheep breeding stock. All are pure stock. No crosses. Not registered. I have several ewes(1yr-4yr), ewe lambs and ram lambs, also One 3yr old ram(beautiful, good natured)--all for sale at very reasonable prices. These are not culls. All are good breeding stock. All are HORNED genetics. (The ewes are polled or scurred). All pedigrees and breeding/health records are included. Raised Naturally, pasture fed. Low grain input. No growth hormones or stimulants used. We do not buy and sell at sale barns. All stock is born and raised here. I can send pictures and prices if interested. Shipping is responsibility of the purchaser. Location is Bobcaygeon, Ontario. Canada (approx 2 hours northeast of Toronto or 4 hours west of Ottawa) Please email me direct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Chris Handley ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep prices
I sold one that had a great set of horns in February this year that should have brought $200, but only brought $75. We had some snow that morning. I think I should have figured out earlier that the Perkins sale is a Goat sale not sheep I am looking at a food coop here in OK... What have I got to lose.. I already lost $300 on that last load Cecil in OKla - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep prices That is a fact about low prices. If the border was closed better and the sheep not brought in illegally from Mexico then the price would go up. We raise stock for hunting as well as meat. They go into Mexico and pay $10 or $20 for rams that take 4 - 6 years to raise. They then bring them to exotic sales and sell them for a couple of hundred. We can't do it for that . It cost more than that in feed for that length of time. They then sell them on game ranches for $1000 a hunt. We have been offered world class record sheep for only $300 each but they are from Mexico and we won't buy them. Nancy ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Sheep Genetics for Dummies
Does anybody know of such a book, or a book containing such a section? I am curious as to how people manage their flocks in terms of in/line-breeding. Not as a conservation program or out of necessity, but as a breed improvement tool. I would very much like to correspond with anyone who is selecting their American Blackbelly breeding stock for all the desirable breed characteristics as well as improving gains and creating greater uniformity within their flocks. My e-address is lee@ ccwebster.net (omit the space). Regards, Barb Lee ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep for Sale - Missouri
We are located in Seattle WA. We have spring lambs for sale. I am asking $45.00 each. They are American Black Bellies. If anyone is interested I can send photos. Kyla Robbins - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep for Sale - Missouri We have for sale lambs while they last for $45 each they weigh about 50-60 pounds. We have a triplet ram lamb breeder stock quality with small scurs just about a year old -hair- dorper black belly cross weighs about 80-90lbs for $75. We have larger rams also for sale. We also have trophy and shooter rams for sale. www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: blackbelly Digest, Vol 1, Issue 282 Send blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Premier's newsletter has good articles this month (Carol J. Elkins) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:14:19 -0700 From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [blackbelly] Premier's newsletter has good articles this month To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed This month's newsletter from Premier contained several articles that I think many of you would be interested. Rather than copying the articles here, it would be better for you to view the newsletter in your own browser. Go to http://view.exacttarget.com/?ffcb10-fe9816797461017c75-fde915737d630d7c701d7 472-ff3815757464 Stan Potrantz (Premier's owner) describes what he sees for the 2006 lamb market and lists the factors be believes will contribute to continuing high prices for lamb. Dan Morrical of Iowa State University wrote an interesting article about Alternative Feeds for Sheep. One of the feeds his discusses is dried distillers grains (DDGS). I can attest to how much the sheep like these grains. I brew my own beer and always give the malted barley grain to the sheep after I've boiled it into the wort. It is sweet and the sheep regard it like candy. Okay, I confess, the recipe for salted nut bars at the end of the newsletter looks pretty good too. Maybe I'll bake up a batch this weekend. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep -- ___ This daily digest is from the blackbelly mailing list. Visit this list's home page at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info End of blackbelly Digest, Vol 1, Issue 282 ** ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] polled Barbados Blackbelly sheep for sale
Hi folks, I need to reduce the size of my flock and will be selling 3 breeding ewes, a breeding ram, and 3 ram lambs. These sheep are all from polled bloodlines and have long loins and good conformation. Two of the ewes were a little woolier this summer than expected, but I suspect it is a seasonal thing because last year they shed out fine. I am willing to expose these ewes in November to a ram whose sire is from the University of Virgin Islands research flock and release them for transport in December. My sheep are large and heavy. When the ram lambs reach 9 months (~100 lb), they will butcher out on average at 45 lb cut and wrapped. They are parasite tolerant (I do not deworm) and healthy. Can provide pedigree and breeding records to demonstrate prolificacy and polledness. Photos are available at critterhaven.biz. Please contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] sheep Sale
We will be selling our Ram Big Boy At the Lolli Bros exotic sale in September. He is a great breeder and we hope someone would use him for this . If not I am sure he will become a shooter at a hunting ranch. Carol has used his picture on many of her promotional material she tells me along with some of our other stock. We will be having babies from our ram Wingnut beginning at the end of January so if you want one please put in your order now. Nancy - www.freewebs.com/mossyspringsranch ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Sheep Prices
Here is a list of pricing for some blackbellies sold at auction in Meridian , TX. I am open to suggestions, comments. Is there a better way? Should I let the rams grow another year so that can gain more weight? These sold were all rams. Free range rams, no supplements, hay in the winter. Very minimal. Thanks, Carr Date 5/02/05 Rams about 1.5 to 2 years old. Price Weight Amount .97 64 $ 62.40 .97 64 $ 62.40 .97 64 $ 62.40 .97 64 $ 62.40 .97 64 $ 62.40 .97 64 $ 62.40 .97 61 $ 59.48 112.50 30 $ 33.75 Total $ 432.61 after commissions and insurance. Date 8/09/05Rams about 8 months old. One ram about 1 year old Price Weight Amount .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 33 $ 26.40 .80/lb. 31 $ 24.80 .70/lb. 55 $ 38.50 Total $ 231.67 after commissions and insurance. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Sheep Prices
Carr, I echo what Mark Wintermute said. The weight of a 2-year blackbelly should be around 110-120 lb. Your best option would be to obtain a good ram and try to breed the size back into your flock. At 18 months, rams will have achieved most of their body weight, so I doubt that you will gain anything by holding on to them longer. Carol At 08:08 AM 8/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: Should I let the rams grow another year so that can gain more weight? ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Correction! Blackbelly Sheep Gathering
Please change the date to 10/1! I don't know WHERE I came up with 10/3! Thanks! Barb ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] sheep carriers
Depending on the size and number of sheep you purchase, you might consider getting an extra-large dog crate (~$70 from Petsmart; sometimes available used in the classifieds) and putting it in the back of a pickup truck. That's how I move most of my sheep unless I have more than 4. Carol At 04:14 PM 8/16/2005 -0700, you wrote: We don't have a trailer at this time so if the person, as local as possible, has a trailer, we would need them to transport them. Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Sheep cud
Hello, This may sound weird but has anyone ever seen or smelled what a sheep burps up? I have a triplet ewe lamb that is 3 1/2weeks old. We took her at 2 weeks because she was starting to fall behind.I haven't been able to get her to suck a bottle. I feed her with a serenge. She will only take about 5 ounces per 24hrs. She is very small.Every once in awhile she will burp up a clear water and it smells! Kind sweet yet rotten. I finally saw her eat a small pellet yesterday and a bite or two of hay. She does drink water every once in awhile now. I had trouble with her not pooping but have that solved now that she is drinking more. I have been giving her vitamin drench every other day and have given her some probiotic. Any suggestions to get her to eat more or is this plenty for her size? I appreciate everyone's help. Nancy ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
