Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
Cecil How many coyote-sized, domestic breeds of dogs live, on a predicatable basis, to fifteen years? Not many!!! Most people who feed raw as a rule, tend to be very careful abut cross contamination issues-- and some of the raw buyers ARE cooking-- they want a fairly priced source of meat for the different recipes. I know when I feed my Dog one of my rabbits in a raw condition, he is getting 'clean' food-- that cannot be said of many grocery store foods-- especially if the food has been 'gas wrapped' Terry W --- Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carol wrote about using raw meat for domestic animals. Since I have a veterinarian close, I mentioned this to him. He said that under no circumstances would he feed raw meat to any of his animals. Cooked is fine, but raw has just too many problems that can be cured by cooking. Tha analogy he used is How many 15 year old coyotes have you seen? Cecil in OKla Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
Howdy Cecil, The Raw Feeding group on Yahoo has 10,015 members that would disagree with your vet. If you want to learn more, I recommend you subscribe to this group (they have 2000 to 4000 messages a month, so set email to digest). Their address is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/ Check out the information available in the group's Files area. Carol At 06:01 PM 12/19/2007, you wrote: Carol wrote about using raw meat for domestic animals. Since I have a veterinarian close, I mentioned this to him. He said that under no circumstances would he feed raw meat to any of his animals. Cooked is fine, but raw has just too many problems that can be cured by cooking. Tha analogy he used is How many 15 year old coyotes have you seen? ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
CArol, I actually belong to a couple Raw feeder lists in my area-- On one, they 'take orders' and everybody gathers at a specific location for the delivery/pickup. One of my 'rabbit neighbors' from PA actually has a business making raw food-- called 'Hare Today'--and yes, the raw feeders want to pay less per pound, but they can be a reliable source of income. terry W --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to be euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues such as the recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's quality of life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and although the meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very tough, making the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now when I must euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the meat at the local raw pet food Yahoo groups. They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs less than about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks and nothing has to resemble a professional cut. I butcher on farm, which allows me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be worth these people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at the butcher shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a choice between almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a really big hole to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever cost. I also target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and (unfortunately) ram lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise to butchering weight. To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to the search string to narrow the results to your region. One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own pets to a totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than just lamb; I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I could get for cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet food. But there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing to find the time. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
Here in Oregon, you're required to have a pet food seller's license to sell direct to the customer. Barb L. - Original Message - From: Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns) CArol, I actually belong to a couple Raw feeder lists in my area-- On one, they 'take orders' and everybody gathers at a specific location for the delivery/pickup. One of my 'rabbit neighbors' from PA actually has a business making raw food-- called 'Hare Today'--and yes, the raw feeders want to pay less per pound, but they can be a reliable source of income. terry W --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to be euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues such as the recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's quality of life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and although the meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very tough, making the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now when I must euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the meat at the local raw pet food Yahoo groups. They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs less than about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks and nothing has to resemble a professional cut. I butcher on farm, which allows me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be worth these people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at the butcher shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a choice between almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a really big hole to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever cost. I also target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and (unfortunately) ram lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise to butchering weight. To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to the search string to narrow the results to your region. One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own pets to a totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than just lamb; I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I could get for cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet food. But there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing to find the time. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
Carol wrote about using raw meat for domestic animals. Since I have a veterinarian close, I mentioned this to him. He said that under no circumstances would he feed raw meat to any of his animals. Cooked is fine, but raw has just too many problems that can be cured by cooking. Tha analogy he used is How many 15 year old coyotes have you seen? Cecil in OKla Barb Lee wrote: Here in Oregon, you're required to have a pet food seller's license to sell direct to the customer. Barb L. - Original Message - From: Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns) CArol, I actually belong to a couple Raw feeder lists in my area-- On one, they 'take orders' and everybody gathers at a specific location for the delivery/pickup. One of my 'rabbit neighbors' from PA actually has a business making raw food-- called 'Hare Today'--and yes, the raw feeders want to pay less per pound, but they can be a reliable source of income. terry W --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to be euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues such as the recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's quality of life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and although the meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very tough, making the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now when I must euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the meat at the local raw pet food Yahoo groups. They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs less than about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks and nothing has to resemble a professional cut. I butcher on farm, which allows me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be worth these people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at the butcher shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a choice between almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a really big hole to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever cost. I also target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and (unfortunately) ram lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise to butchering weight. To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to the search string to narrow the results to your region. One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own pets to a totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than just lamb; I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I could get for cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet food. But there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing to find the time. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
