Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
Hi David, this is indeed exciting news and I hope we will soon be able to discuss the use of i-devices. Thanks for this wonderful and valuable list. Pete For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
Hi Pete, Apparently you missed the more recent post from Dave yesterday. http://www.jaws-users.com/BlindComputing/ - Original Message - From: Pedro Romero phre...@comcast.net To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Hi David, this is indeed exciting news and I hope we will soon be able to discuss the use of i-devices. Thanks for this wonderful and valuable list. Pete For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
Yes I did, sorry! Pete For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
well, even though I don't have a real say in all of this, I agree with you, a phone is a phone while tablets are obviously down to the basics computers those basics are in a hand held package, yes but a iPhone still is unable to compile and run a full fledged program, while if its basic enough to not be to large for the on hand memory and the inbuilt storage slot capability to hold pads and tablets can I used the second edition of the Tandy radio shack pocket computer, its capabilities were less than a tablet or pad of today but it had a processor, a math co processor, and memory and ran actual programs even if it had a single line of simple text readout. glad to see the adaption, inthane -Original Message- from: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:16 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We have to draw a line somewhere or another. Besides there are to my knowledge quite a number of cell phone lists. I know there will be some heat over such a choice, but that's the job I have drawn. Besides there has been nothing written out so far. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:14 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the I Phone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the IPhone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
We have to draw a line somewhere or another. Besides there are to my knowledge quite a number of cell phone lists. I know there will be some heat over such a choice, but that's the job I have drawn. Besides there has been nothing written out so far. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:14 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the I Phone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
Hi Alan, If we don't draw the line somewhere, this list will be nothing more than a copy of the blind-tech list, which was not my desire when I created this list in 2007. At the time the list was started,the focus was laptops and desktop PCs and their peripherals. Now that the list belongs to Dave, he will always have the final say in any decision and the management team will follow his lead. If you think about it, technically, most of todays electronics can be considered computers of sorts, but they are not within the scope of this list. Cel phones may be used for many things these days, but they are still phones. HTH, Richard Q. Justice-list moderator blind-computing@jaws-users.com jaws-users-l...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins arobb...@nycap.rr.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the IPhone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
yes, but the I pad is not a phone - Original Message - From: Moderator modera...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Hi Alan, If we don't draw the line somewhere, this list will be nothing more than a copy of the blind-tech list, which was not my desire when I created this list in 2007. At the time the list was started,the focus was laptops and desktop PCs and their peripherals. Now that the list belongs to Dave, he will always have the final say in any decision and the management team will follow his lead. If you think about it, technically, most of todays electronics can be considered computers of sorts, but they are not within the scope of this list. Cel phones may be used for many things these days, but they are still phones. HTH, Richard Q. Justice-list moderator blind-computing@jaws-users.com jaws-users-l...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins arobb...@nycap.rr.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the IPhone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
Honestly we have yet to discuss the details in person so to speak, so far only over email. This is Rick's brain child it just falls under my domain since we changed over to Mailman six years ago. Like I said and Rick has also stated we have to draw a line somewhere so that is probably where the DMZ will land. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 4:47 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Hi Alan, If we don't draw the line somewhere, this list will be nothing more than a copy of the blind-tech list, which was not my desire when I created this list in 2007. At the time the list was started,the focus was laptops and desktop PCs and their peripherals. Now that the list belongs to Dave, he will always have the final say in any decision and the management team will follow his lead. If you think about it, technically, most of todays electronics can be considered computers of sorts, but they are not within the scope of this list. Cel phones may be used for many things these days, but they are still phones. HTH, Richard Q. Justice-list moderator blind-computing@jaws-users.com jaws-users-l...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins arobb...@nycap.rr.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the IPhone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines
it's yall's call - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Honestly we have yet to discuss the details in person so to speak, so far only over email. This is Rick's brain child it just falls under my domain since we changed over to Mailman six years ago. Like I said and Rick has also stated we have to draw a line somewhere so that is probably where the DMZ will land. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 4:47 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Hi Alan, If we don't draw the line somewhere, this list will be nothing more than a copy of the blind-tech list, which was not my desire when I created this list in 2007. At the time the list was started,the focus was laptops and desktop PCs and their peripherals. Now that the list belongs to Dave, he will always have the final say in any decision and the management team will follow his lead. If you think about it, technically, most of todays electronics can be considered computers of sorts, but they are not within the scope of this list. Cel phones may be used for many things these days, but they are still phones. HTH, Richard Q. Justice-list moderator blind-computing@jaws-users.com jaws-users-l...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins arobb...@nycap.rr.com To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines Just to add my two cents, but if you are going to add all you say, I feel the IPhone should be included too as most use much more as an I device rather than a phone. Al -Original Message- From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:49 AM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Modification to the guidelines We are planning on making an addendum to the existing guidelines possibly adding tablet computers. The documentation has not started as of yet, just giving you folks a heads up. Phones will still be off topic but I pads and such devices will most likely be allowed. Obviously we will let you know the final decision. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
