Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, [if you want to skip reading the motivation for my vote just scroll to the end] in theory I should be pleased as, regardless of how it has been done, another one of the big step forward I wanted for TDF is finally being voted on. OTOH in a few lines it manages to put together what

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 02.12.22 um 13:51 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear all, sophi wrote: Le 02/12/2022 à 12:10, Michael Stahl a écrit : how is this different from TDF employees Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Ilmari, Olivier, Stéphane, Sophie, and Xisco, who already consult weekly with the ESC? Maybe this is

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Dear all, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 02.12.22 19:21, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > > If the ESC is an official TDF committee, where are its statutes, its > > functioning rules and the rules of its members designation ? > > hmm i've wondered this too a while ago, i couldn't find a word in the TDF >

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Michael Stahl
hi Jean-Baptiste, On 02.12.22 19:21, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi Thorsten, If the ESC is an official TDF committee, where are its statutes, its functioning rules and the rules of its members designation ? hmm i've wondered this too a while ago, i couldn't find a word in the TDF statutes

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi Thorsten, If the ESC is an official TDF committee, where are its statutes, its functioning rules and the rules of its members designation ? If it is an official TDF committee, why its mailing list is not hosted by TDF ? Best regards JBF Le 02/12/2022 à 13:51, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Re: [board-discuss] Re: [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, Until someone can explain me that it is beneficial to TDF to compete with contributing members of the ecosystem, I see this attempt from Andreas as not at all interesting. Cheers, Cor Andreas Mantke wrote on 02/12/2022 23:38: Hi all, Am 02.12.22 um 13:52 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: +1

Re: [board-discuss] Re: [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, On 02/12/2022 23:42, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, Until someone can explain me that it is beneficial to TDF to compete with contributing members of the ecosystem, I see this attempt from Andreas as not at all interesting. Nobody can explain to you "that it is beneficial to TDF to compete

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 02.12.22 um 12:08 schrieb Cor Nouws: + 1 :) this vote was done by the member of the sales team of a software company and who have an declared interest to influence the direction of the LibreOffice development by the in-house developers. The in-house developers will remove a lot

[board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Dear people, Thanks for the constructive feedback on the proposal. Various changes applied, I now call a vote for the resolution below. Your response within 72 hours from now is much appreciated. Cheers, Cor -%<-- ## TDF

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Stephan Ficht
Dear board, hi all, = Foreword: I here speak in my capacity as a Member of the Board of Trustees. = This part of the vote TDF will seek to hire a developer(s); - who will report [...], and consult weekly with the ESC, which will oversee the technical direction of the work; is in my opinion

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Cor Nouws
+ 1 :) Cor Nouws wrote on 02/12/2022 09:24: -%<-- ## TDF Developer Hiring Resolution 2022 "Whereas, - with TDF stewarding, among other things, a well-working symbiosis of   various companies and volunteer developers

[DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Michael Stahl
hi Stephan, On 02.12.22 11:12, Stephan Ficht wrote: Dear board, hi all, = Foreword: I here speak in my capacity as a Member of the Board of Trustees. = This part of the vote TDF will seek to hire a developer(s); - who will report [...], and consult weekly with the ESC, which will oversee

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread sophi
Hi Michael, Le 02/12/2022 à 12:10, Michael Stahl a écrit : hi Stephan, On 02.12.22 11:12, Stephan Ficht wrote: Dear board, hi all, = Foreword: I here speak in my capacity as a Member of the Board of Trustees. = This part of the vote TDF will seek to hire a developer(s); - who will report

[board-discuss] Re: [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Thorsten Behrens
+1 (thanks a lot for all the good feedback, feels great to get this moving!) Cor Nouws wrote: > Dear people, > > Thanks for the constructive feedback on the proposal. > Various changes applied, I now call a vote for the resolution below. > > Your response within 72 hours from now is much

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Dear all, sophi wrote: > Le 02/12/2022 à 12:10, Michael Stahl a écrit : > > how is this different from TDF employees Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Ilmari, > > Olivier, Stéphane, Sophie, and Xisco, who already consult weekly with > > the ESC? > > Maybe this is subtle but the term "oversee" for me means