Re: [boinc_dev] Long Term Debt and work fetch and overworked

2009-04-23 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 23 Abr 2009 13:13:05 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Whether the project is overworked or not should be determined by the max(long term debt for the resource, long term debt for the resource). max(A, A) == A Was one of those supposed to be long term debt for the *project*?

Re: [boinc_dev] FastCGI (was: Work Scheduling pt 2)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 12:16:00 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: I have the feeling that nobody ever used the FastCGI scheduler correctly, that server admins compile it with FastCGI support as if that was all that needs to be done. I don't know enough about Fast CGI to have any hope of

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 12:19:05 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: And then there is CPDN trickle-based kill which is completely different. The server sends a trickle-down to that host, knowing it has that task. The application handles the trickle and quits, saying it finished processing.

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 13:06:36 Martin escribió: Even if you use multiple separate download servers, you just simply have message sockets to your WU pool allocator process(es) to report what is successfully transferred and when. Similarly so for setting what URL is to point to what WU on the web

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 13:39:18 Paul D. Buck escribió: Take the simplest example, The first stage of a task is the creation of the Result, which generates one or more Tasks. Neither of these are of interest or should be visible to the participant. So, why are they in the running tasks and

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 13:45:38 Martin escribió: Then that is an Achilles heel for gaining feedback on what was accepted by the client... Apache can report what URL downloaded whatever, so that is one means of feedback for servers under direct project control. Another means could be that that

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 13:55:46 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: At present, how do the download servers know to delete downloaded/expired WUs if they can't 'phone home'? The Validator deletes the files. The validator compares files and chooses a canonical result. The assimilator does

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 13:58:27 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Once a day if there was no CPU request, or with the CPU request if there is one. This is a substantially lower count than if every project is asked for a work proposal for every work request. You're adding more every words than we

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 13:32:01 Mikus Grinbergs escribió: [ And what if the result that's returned is useless because of a bug in the project's application? ] And what if their output files are binary, a bug in the project's application causes invalid results, and sample_bitwise_validator marks

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 15:26:40 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: The two are at different layers in the protocol stack. No news to me. Using HTTP, we're *forced* to use individual requests, each sending complete information, and the server has to do eg. user/host lookup on every request. Using a

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-04-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 15:35:10 Nicolás Alvarez escribió: El Jue 30 Abr 2009 15:26:40 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: The two are at different layers in the protocol stack. No news to me. Using HTTP, we're *forced* to use individual requests, each sending complete information, and the server

Re: [boinc_dev] A strange permission error.

2009-05-01 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El 01/05/2009, a las 11:57, Eric Myers my...@spy-hill.net escribió: On Fri, 1 May 2009, Alan Sun wrote: file upload server: can't open file /opt/boinc_grid/upload/64/ sj_106_0_0: Permission denied The upload area uses directory fanout, with subdirectory names based on a hash of the

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-05-01 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El 30/04/2009, a las 13:13, john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: jm7 Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com wrote on 04/30/2009 12:0 5:33 PM: Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com 04/30/2009 12:05 PM To boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu cc john.mcl...@sybase.com, Martin m_boinc...@ml1

Re: [boinc_dev] A strange permission error.

2009-05-02 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Sáb 02 May 2009 14:14:58 Alan Sun escribió: If someone folder created and has bad permission itself, how can I avoid this? Is it a bug of the file_upload_handler component? The documentation explains the upload directory should have setgid permissions so that subdirectories inherit its

Re: [boinc_dev] Build documentation

2009-05-05 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 05 May 2009 02:47:20 Paul D. Buck escribió: The windows build documentation as noted in page: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCode implies that the source code can be completed by downloading the supplemental files from page:

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-05-05 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Abr 2009 21:39:27 Rom Walton escribió: The problem with persistent connections is the overall memory consumed in just maintaining the connection. Even if you striped down the scheduler to a self contained daemon you still will have to deal with the basics of maintaining connection

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-05-06 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 06 May 2009 18:12:11 Rom Walton escribió: Now let us assume for a moment that all of our users have an Internet connection that is fast enough to download 20 s...@h workunits in 20 minutes. s...@h, on average, processes 10 scheduler requests a second. That comes out to 12,000

Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC 6.6 for Linux?

2009-05-06 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 06 May 2009 22:11:37 Paul D. Buck escribió: The problem is the package managers which don't seem to update but, I would guess, once or twice a year. [...] Not sure which one you want or how easy it is to install. My recollection was that I could not get these to work for me so I

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-05-08 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
characteristics. They'd have to edit the client code to (ab)use the protocol that way. And if people can do that, they might as well implement an auto-task-aborter *now*. El Vie 08 May 2009 14:31:54 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: But currently, there is a penalty. jm7 Nicolás

Re: [boinc_dev] How to enable reCAPTCHA if my url contains a port forwarding ?

2009-05-08 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 08 May 2009 20:54:33 Kunsheng Chen escribió: Hello everyone, I posted a thread on how to enable CAPTCHA a week ago and many people gave me good ideas, thank you all for that. Now I did the following and tried to enable reCAPTCHA :

[boinc_dev] Trac ticket spam

2009-05-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
Can somebody please block user jingjing in Trac? He keeps adding dog training spam to random Trac tickets, and I'm going crazy deleting it because it keeps appearing. I have no intentions of playing whack-a-mole all night :) ___ boinc_dev mailing list

Re: [boinc_dev] Shared library versioning

2009-05-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
Does *anyone* currently use the shared library for the API? Enviado desde mi iPod El 12/05/2009, a las 06:36, Gabor Gombas gomb...@sztaki.hu escribió: Hi, For some time, BOINC can build shared libraries. Unfortunately it uses the package version as library version, which is bad. Example:

Re: [boinc_dev] Reporting a lot of tasks at the same time

2009-05-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 14 May 2009 06:51:40 Maureen Vilar escribió: (Max. upload size too small? I think, 4MB is the default for upload_max_filesize in PHP.INI)' The scheduler is not PHP, so php.ini doesn't apply. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu

Re: [boinc_dev] Reporting a lot of tasks at the same time

2009-05-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 14 May 2009 07:58:28 Ian Hay escribió: Jorden van der Elst wrote on 14/05/2009 10:46: So how can we get these people to report their tasks? We're talking about around 60K in tasks that are still waiting to be reported (deadline of the 19th at max). Is there some crude way we can get

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] New crashs odditiy

2009-05-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 14 May 2009 12:53:51 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Was this with multiple copies of BOINC.exe running? If so, then each of them would be attempting the same thing. If you start a second boinc.exe, it will soon quit because it can't open the GUI RPC port.

Re: [boinc_dev] Reporting a lot of tasks at the same time

2009-05-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 14 May 2009 16:25:27 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Does the client get informed about the tasks that were not correctly reported? Or does the server loop through the tasks X at a time until the entire RPC is complete? The server returns a report ack for every successfully-reported

Re: [boinc_dev] [Fwd: Problem with the parsing code in the forum?]

2009-05-15 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
And if you do, remember to close http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/594 El Miércoles 13 May 2009 13:05:09 David Anderson escribió: If anyone wants to tackle this, feel free. Original Message Subject: Problem with the parsing code in the forum? Date: Tue, 12 May 2009

Re: [boinc_dev] Reporting a lot of tasks at the same time

2009-05-15 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 14 May 2009 16:03:59 David Anderson escribió: The scheduler is failing in memory allocation. According to my rough calculation, this is happening after allocating about 256MB given a request that reports 1800 completed jobs. On my machine, a RESULT is 197560 bytes and a

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] New crashs odditiy

2009-05-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El 18/05/2009, a las 09:49, john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Having a couple thousand files or directories in a directory can be a problem. On some systems, the more files and directories there are in a directory, the slower file access is, and at some point, opening a file in an overly

Re: [boinc_dev] Work Scheduling (pt 2, Cooperative Scheduling?)

2009-05-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 08 May 2009 12:59:59 Rom Walton escribió: I mean if I'm a researcher for rose...@home and half my client base decides not to run a certain type of task because they don't think it doesn't do X, there by doubling the length of time for a CASP run to complete, I'm going to be annoyed. If

Re: [boinc_dev] boinc_dev Digest, Vol 60, Issue 38

2009-05-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 18 May 2009 14:52:34 Matthew Saunier escribió: I really can't believe the way ideas are constantly beaten down on this list. Please, look for something you agree with (as I did above), and write about that before making a post that indicates only that there are challenges to

Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC All versions download page

2009-05-20 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 20 May 2009 08:21:32 Richard Haselgrove escribió: I am sorely tempted to start polluting trac again, so we have a searchable index of the issues which otherwise are in danger of underflowing the LIFO stack which is David Anderson's inbox. Please do. That's what it's for. Just try

Re: [boinc_dev] Voice over for Mac OS X

2009-05-31 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 31 May 2009 21:00:03 Charlie Fenton escribió: Unfortunately, WCG who designed and implemented the Simple View specified there should be no menus in Simple View other than the minimum required by the OS, so there is no indication of this shortcut. The best I could do without violating

Re: [boinc_dev] Bad packets from all Boinc-related sites

2009-06-03 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 03 Jun 2009 12:02:39 Scarecrow escribió: I haven't 'sniffed' the packets throughly, but it appears that they arrive with the SYN, ACK, FIN, URG, and PSH flags set. So every single flag set? I don't know much about networking but that sounds *really* weird (in particular syn and

Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC: client compilation under Windows using VS2008

2009-06-04 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 29 May 2009 12:47:13 myle escribió: karse...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: Hello, We are trying to compile the latest version of BOINC using VS2008 by following the exact procedure as described on [http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient] but it fails. Could it be possible

Re: [boinc_dev] Offload task assignment to super server

2009-06-04 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 08 May 2009 21:51:30 Martin escribió: Various projects seem to be now branching out to offering multiple projects within their one project base. Which projects exactly? MilkyWay splitting its GPU app into a separate project? That just shows that either BOINC isn't good enough at

Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC: client compilation under Windows using VS2008

2009-06-04 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 04 Jun 2009 14:53:44 Paul D. Buck escribió: When I tried the instructions it got a negative result. In that I did not know how to fix the problems I cannot tell you what is wrong with the guide other than it does not work if you follow the recipe ... I suspect the same issue occurs

Re: [boinc_dev] Bug in update_versions?

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 08 Jun 2009 21:30:01 Jeremy Cowles escribió: Maybe I'm not understanding something, but under windows files must end in .bat to be executed as a batch file, correct? If this is the case, are batch files are not supported by update_versions? I ask because the reg-ex that parses

Re: [boinc_dev] Any idea about Compile BOINC Application in Windows with Visual C++ 6.0

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 08 Jun 2009 21:50:19 Kunsheng Chen escribió: The thing is that it require Cygin1.dll to be under folder Windows/System32 in client side. I think I could have a multiple bionc app (includes this cygwin1.dll). And in my app, just copy Cygwin1.dll to Windows/System32, but this seems

Re: [boinc_dev] Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard

2009-06-09 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 09 Jun 2009 17:42:53 Patrick Wooldridge escribió: Hi. With the announcement that Mac OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be released in September, I just wanted to recommend to those who are competent to do so, that a new version of the BOINC client for Macintosh be developed to take

Re: [boinc_dev] Bug in update_versions?

2009-06-09 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 09 Jun 2009 14:20:09 David Anderson escribió: It would be possible to use code signing (WU files can have signatures, just like app version files). But this would defeat the ease-of-use goal. It's the same situation with single job submission. At least, in both cases, the time

Re: [boinc_dev] Bug in update_versions?

2009-06-09 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 09 Jun 2009 18:28:52 Jeremy Cowles escribió: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.eduwrote: Should we add that capability to the client? I suspect that it will open a DOS window each time it runs a batch file, which would rule it out for general use.

Re: [boinc_dev] Add country to forum profile

2009-06-10 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 10 Jun 2009 19:47:24 David Anderson escribió: I'll do this if someone sends me an array that parallels the existing $countries array (see below) containing the 2-letter country codes used by the FamFamFam images -- David Debian systems, maybe most Linux systems, already have

Re: [boinc_dev] Changing master url

2009-06-11 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 11 Jun 2009 14:15:21 Jeremy Cowles escribió: I created a project with an internal IP address (192.x.x.x) and now I want to test it with clients out on the internet. So I've changed the address to my public address (78.x.x.x) in project.xml and recreated the apps (xadd, update versions).

Re: [boinc_dev] Command as main program w/out files

2009-06-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 12 Jun 2009 15:50:03 Jeremy Cowles escribió: Agreed. Also, it would be nice to expose the suspend/quit/checkpoint api (boinc_status) into Python, or is this already available? You don't need to notify the Python code when it's suspended, since it will be suspended at the process level

Re: [boinc_dev] Idea on compiling boinc source in Cygwin

2009-06-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Sáb 13 Jun 2009 02:19:32 Kunsheng Chen escribió: boinc-client required libcurl 7.16 or later version while Cygwin only installs 7.15 there, so I have to disable it by ./configure --disable-client to pass ./configure command. However even if I disable the client and made the command pass,

Re: [boinc_dev] Splitting libboinc?

2009-06-13 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Sáb 13 Jun 2009 09:39:16 Bernd Machenschalk escribió: Does this mean that now the lib can be compiled without curl and openssl? They shouldn't be needed for an App (at least not for the BOINC part). curl was never needed to compile/link science apps. libboinc doesn't use curl, only the

Re: [boinc_dev] Command as main program w/out files

2009-06-13 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Sáb 13 Jun 2009 18:09:30 Jeremy Cowles escribió: El Vie 12 Jun 2009 16:21:06 David Anderson escribió: Jeremy Cowles wrote: Agreed. Also, it would be nice to expose the suspend/quit/checkpoint api (boinc_status) into Python, or is this already available? This page has a

Re: [boinc_dev] Command as main program w/out files

2009-06-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Sáb 13 Jun 2009 20:17:06 Jeremy Cowles escribió: Windows and Mac seem pretty straight forward and easy to compile in advance, but would you have to compile on the client for Linux or would you just make assumptions about what libraries are present? At the moment I'm having bigger problems

[boinc_dev] Finding BOINC API from a build system

2009-06-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
I'm working on the build system for a science app. I'm having trouble with locating the BOINC API include files and compiled libraries. If the library is installed, both miofile.h and boinc_api.h would be in eg. /usr/local/include/boinc/, but if it's not installed, the source dir has

Re: [boinc_dev] Finding BOINC API from a build system

2009-06-15 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El 15/06/2009, a las 08:48, Gabor Gombas gomb...@sztaki.hu escribió: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:01:26PM -0300, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: However, how do I find BOINC's config.h? If I look in the global search paths, I might end up finding the config.h from some other completely different

Re: [boinc_dev] Upload server redirection

2009-06-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El 16/06/2009, a las 10:50, Milo Thurston milo.thurs...@oerc.ox.ac.uk escribió: Hello, As you may have noticed, we've had a bit of server trouble of late. One of our upload servers seems to be unfixable at the moment and I wonder about the feasibility of updating the DNS records to point all

Re: [boinc_dev] Upload server redirection

2009-06-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 16 Jun 2009 11:28:07 Milo Thurston escribió: and the scheduler, validator and assimilator can see files uploaded via the other server, Do you mind if I ask for clarification of what you mean in this case? The normal way things work is: When a client reports a task, the scheduler

[boinc_dev] About don't require that file upload URLs contain 'file_upload_handler'

2009-06-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
With files sent by the server via the file storage features, and not as part of workunits, when the project asks the client to upload a file, the upload URL is *added* to the list of URLs. So the file_info ends having the upload_when_present flag, and two URLs:

Re: [boinc_dev] Command as main program w/out files

2009-06-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 16 Jun 2009 15:24:42 Jeremy Cowles escribió: Windows and Mac seem pretty straight forward and easy to compile in advance, but would you have to compile on the client for Linux or would you just make assumptions about what libraries are present? At the moment I'm having

Re: [boinc_dev] make clean leaves symlinks

2009-06-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 22 Jun 2009 16:23:46 Jeremy Cowles escribió: I am upgrading my BOINC install to the latest version, when running make clean and then following the typical setup procedure it fails when creating symlinks to libstdc++.a in the samples directory. After I manually removed the links,

Re: [boinc_dev] [Fwd: [BOINC] #924: Partial Transfer Fails]

2009-06-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 22 Jun 2009 17:13:52 David Anderson escribió: It's not clear to me how to solve this problem. Synopsis: - projects can configure their web server to send files in a compressed form to clients that can handle it; see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/FileCompression In

Re: [boinc_dev] [Fwd: [BOINC] #924: Partial Transfer Fails]

2009-06-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 22 Jun 2009 17:33:32 Kevin Reed escribió: I.e. I should add RequestHeader unset Range so that apache will not process the range request. However, you can not set conditions on the RequestHeader like you can with Header so this would take effect for all download requests (we don't

Re: [boinc_dev] Hi, there is a strange problem about the single job assimilation.

2009-06-26 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 26 Jun 2009 14:04:18 Alan Sun escribió: Well, I think the first time I launched project is under user boincadm. Because I noticed this issue before. I want to make a test today, so I'm carefully on this. Well, under user root, the project works well, and those machines are in a

Re: [boinc_dev] edit time to completion

2009-07-07 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 07 Jul 2009 14:27:26 David Anderson escribió: The weighting is actually quadratic; i.e., when the job is half done the estimate is 75% from the dynamic and 25% from the static. However, I think I see a serious bug in the code (see below). Anyone else see it? Last time I looked at

Re: [boinc_dev] Cloud-like BOINC

2009-07-08 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 08 Jul 2009 18:11:44 David Anderson escribió: but it's probably the wave of the future. That sounds like hype-speak. And apparently different people have different thoughts for what cloud is. Google's cloud view is that a web-based operating system that can only run web apps is

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 12 Jul 2009 07:45:37 erbenton escribió: Re-read what i wrote, i think you misunderstood what i was saying. When you have a bunch of files in the Ready to Report state and you click on the project update button they seem to upload all at once vs the Transfer tab where they seem to

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 12 Jul 2009 09:16:36 Martin escribió: Note that some control of incoming bandwidth can be achieved by merely delaying the server response to a request. So... delay a request until some time limit and then issue a deny regardless to kick that requesting client into a backoff count? When

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 12 Jul 2009 19:32:14 Mikus Grinbergs escribió: I understand that for a project with more than 10 active clients, situations will arise where the servers are the bottleneck, and need to be protected from overload. But I have a philosophical problem with restraining the _clients_

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-12 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 12 Jul 2009 20:58:00 Lynn W. Taylor escribió: If every work unit went out, was out for a few hours, and then returned, 24/7/365, the problem I'm talking about does not exist -- the flow is even. The problem I had involved no outages. A few hundred workunits went out, were out for a few

Re: [boinc_dev] Unzipping, client side

2009-07-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
You don't need to unzip. Python supports reading modules from inside a zip archive since 2.3. Enviado desde mi iPod El 14/07/2009, a las 04:01, Jeremy Cowles jeremy.cow...@gmail.com escribió: I am trying to package the Python standard library with an application. I assume zipping it

Re: [boinc_dev] Unzipping, client side

2009-07-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 14 Jul 2009 12:10:38 Carl Christensen escribió: well since presumably you can't use boinc_zip I guess either distribute zip/unzip executables for each platform, or use the zipfile module for python (does that get back to the problem of using various python libs within boinc though?)

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 14 Jul 2009 09:41:10 Carl Christensen escribió: with boinc credits the simple rule is there's no pleasing anyone. I actually think that if my GPU does 10 times the work of a CPU that I should get 10 times the credit (which I think is what you or the noisier credit people are

Re: [boinc_dev] Release Notes for 6.6.36 incorrect

2009-07-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
Aren't release notes in the Wiki? You can fix them yourself... El Martes 14 Jul 2009 16:35:43 Richard Haselgrove escribió: If you have multiple login accounts for the computer, I believe you have to repeat step (3) (heeding the warning in step (4)) for each separate user account. -

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 16 Jul 2009 16:44:45 David Anderson escribió: The following change should have a big impact (I hope): - client: changed file upload logic Old: each upload attempt consists of two HTTP requests: the 1st to get the current file size on server, the

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-21 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 21 Jul 2009 16:54:01 Martin escribió: My thought is that we must have a semantic shift so that what is usefully utilised is rewarded, and not just *time spent* (perhaps busyly uselessly spinning wheels) on whatever hardware. The GPU and CPU apps don't necessarily make the same amount

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] Catastrophe is looming; desperately need advice

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 09:43:52 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: Rank is rather hopeless as a metric. I dedicate 1% of computing power to some projects and I am in the top few. On others I dedicate 33% of computing power and I am not in the top thousand. If you want to get into the top few

Re: [boinc_dev] Some CUDA related questions

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 06:25:11 Oliver Bock escribió: Sending sigkill (ctrl-c) to an application that is currently running a kernel on the GPU may not result in a clean shutdown of the process as the kernel may continue running for a long time afterwards on the GPU. In such cases, a system

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 14:35:37 David Anderson escribió: Nicolás Alvarez wrote: So it would distribute computing power across projects, which is what we want, isn't it? Not exactly. We want projects that are doing better or more important science (as judged by volunteers) to get more

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 21:17:02 Martin escribió: How can you satisfy all of these? 1. credits per day in CPU app same for both projects 2. credits per day in GPU app same for both projects 3. within each project, same WU should give same credits no matter the processor used

Re: [boinc_dev] credit goals

2009-07-23 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 23 Jul 2009 10:10:06 john.mcl...@sybase.com escribió: A few thoughts: There is no guarantee that any two computation devices (general sense here) will be equally efficient at a particular computation. The CPU and GPU in a single box may very well have different efficiencies, and

Re: [boinc_dev] Some CUDA related questions

2009-07-23 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 23 Jul 2009 05:18:33 Oliver Bock escribió: On Wednesday 22 July 2009 19:31:24 Nicolás Alvarez wrote: El Miércoles 22 Jul 2009 06:25:11 Oliver Bock escribió: Sending sigkill (ctrl-c) to an application that is currently running a kernel on the GPU may not result in a clean shutdown

Re: [boinc_dev] Problem compiling filesys.h (win32)

2009-07-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 30 Jul 2009 17:19:56 Jeremy Cowles escribió: I am trying to include filesys.h in a project using the BOINC API and I'm getting the following errors (only under win): error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'handle' boinc\lib\filesys.h 111 error C4430: missing type

Re: [boinc_dev] Team page team join link and stats links

2009-07-31 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 31 Jul 2009 19:53:22 David Anderson escribió: John 37309 wrote: I only just noticed a few minutes ago that if you are logged out of a project, the link to join a team does not appear on the team page of a project any more, don't really know how long its been like that. Can this be

Re: [boinc_dev] File immutability between platforms?

2009-08-03 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 03 Ago 2009 20:58:11 Jeremy Cowles escribió: I currently have two files: linux/python26.zip win/python26.zip These files each have distinct contents (i.e. win has .dll files and Linux has .so files), if I install these files as follows:

Re: [boinc_dev] File immutability between platforms?

2009-08-03 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 03 Ago 2009 21:15:36 Jeremy Cowles escribió: 2009/8/3 Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com El Lunes 03 Ago 2009 20:58:11 Jeremy Cowles escribió: Will BOINC think they are the same file or will it keep them separate? They will overwrite each other when you run

Re: [boinc_dev] Progress Thru Processors Launched

2009-08-05 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 05 Ago 2009 09:35:30 Maureen Vilar escribió: It appears to me that the alpha-testing process (which to my knowledge no CPDN moderators participated in) was not thorough enough to throw up all the problems likely to be experienced by Boinc-naive prospective members. I've italicised

Re: [boinc_dev] *SPAM* Re: Spam on Trak tickets

2009-08-11 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 11 Ago 2009 13:00:41 Jorden van der Elst escribió: Isn't it possible to truly lock tickets when they're locked (only those with an admin tag can reopen them or add comments), or otherwise add a recaptcha to writing any comment on any ticket? It's reasonable for *users* to reopen

Re: [boinc_dev] Problem compiling head rev

2009-08-13 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
I think it's related to the proxy code changes. Can you get a backtrace of that segfault? Enviado desde mi iPod El 13/08/2009, a las 12:18, Eric Myers my...@spy-hill.net escribió: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Jeremy Cowles wrote: Is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? I've

Re: [boinc_dev] AMD Core Math Library (ACML) redis tribution; faster FFTs

2009-08-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 14 Ago 2009 06:39:08 Bruce Allen escribió: Hi Eric, Thanks -- this is very helpful. Before going forward, I have a question. It sounds as if s...@home is distributing an executable that statically links the FFT libs. Is that correct? My understanding of the licensing issues is that

Re: [boinc_dev] AMD Core Math Library (ACML) redis tribution; faster FFTs

2009-08-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 14 Ago 2009 13:00:41 Nicolás Alvarez escribió: El Vie 14 Ago 2009 06:39:08 Bruce Allen escribió: Hi Eric, Thanks -- this is very helpful. Before going forward, I have a question. It sounds as if s...@home is distributing an executable that statically links the FFT libs

Re: [boinc_dev] [Fwd: Re: [BOINC] #139: Project-by-project network disable (similar to communications deferred)]

2009-08-14 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 14 Ago 2009 15:04:51 Lynn W. Taylor escribió: It seems to me that the big fear is the two-week timer: if a work unit can't be uploaded in two weeks, it's going to be thrown away, causing irreparable harm to the project and a tragic hit to the cruncher's RAC. It'd probably help to make

Re: [boinc_dev] AMD Core Math Library (ACML) redistribution; faster FFTs

2009-08-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 16 Ago 2009 18:06:27 Bruce Allen escribió: Thanks for the note and for the link. Does this mean for example that GPLd code is not allowed to link to the CUDA libraries (which are non-GPL and not normally distributed with the OS)? The libraries don't have to be GPL. They can also be a

Re: [boinc_dev] AMD Core Math Library (ACML) redistribution; faster FFTs

2009-08-16 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Dom 16 Ago 2009 18:40:15 Bruce Allen escribió: Hi Nicolás, Thanks for the note and for the link. Does this mean for example that GPLd code is not allowed to link to the CUDA libraries (which are non-GPL and not normally distributed with the OS)? The libraries don't have to be GPL.

Re: [boinc_dev] AMD Core Math Library (ACML) redis tribution; faster FFTs

2009-08-17 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Lunes 17 Ago 2009 20:56:27 Eric J Korpela escribió: 2) Is IMKL or ACML covered by the GPL v2 clause However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler,

Re: [boinc_dev] boinc_cvs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17

2009-08-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 18 Ago 2009 19:50:52 Kamran Karimi escribió: This works fine if the app treats such argument as optional. So BOINC apps should just ignore any command line options they don't understand. Projects can change the name of these arguments on the server, so a clash can be avoided.

Re: [boinc_dev] boinc_cvs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17

2009-08-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 18 Ago 2009 20:13:19 Lynn W. Taylor escribió: There is no reason to *not* correctly handle surprising command line options. There is no reason for the client to mess with data given by the project before handing it to the app. What next, the client adding tags to XML input files

Re: [boinc_dev] boinc_cvs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17

2009-08-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 18 Ago 2009 20:45:19 Lynn W. Taylor escribió: No, I don't. It seems that you're arguing that the BOINC science applications should be fragile -- that they should expect a pristine and unchanging environment and not try to anticipate the inevitable errors. I can't say it better

Re: [boinc_dev] boinc_cvs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 17

2009-08-18 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Martes 18 Ago 2009 20:53:50 Lynn W. Taylor escribió: Nicolás Alvarez wrote: El Martes 18 Ago 2009 20:45:19 Lynn W. Taylor escribió: No, I don't. It seems that you're arguing that the BOINC science applications should be fragile -- that they should expect a pristine and unchanging

Re: [boinc_dev] Distributed data functions

2009-08-19 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Miércoles 19 Ago 2009 19:37:45 Mark Pottorff escribió: I've been reviewing BOINC server code and the BOINC server VM. All of the distributed data command line programs indicate they should be run from the project root directory, however I don't find them there. If found request_file_list,

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Linux 32bit 6.6.36 manager won't start client

2009-08-22 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 11 Jun 2009 11:04:13 Kathryn Marks escribió: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Jorden van der Elst els...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Rom, Why did all of the 6.6.36 versions go out as recommended versions without even testing them? Now we're getting reports in that BOINC Manager won't

Re: [boinc_dev] No Binary in boinc 6.6.36

2009-08-27 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 27 Ago 2009 15:32:52 Eric J Korpela escribió: I still get all the binaries. Do they correctly end up in the stage/${prefix}/bin directory if you do a make stage? This is the preferred method of making files for a binary package rather than building under a chroot. But then you get

Re: [boinc_dev] Segfault in boinc_get_init_data.

2009-08-27 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Jue 27 Ago 2009 15:46:23 Eric J Korpela escribió: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Eric J Korpela wrote: Does anyone know what has changed in PROXY_INFO that causes segfaults when boinc_get_init_data is called? Did someone change the init_data.xml format? If so, is a segfault the best

Re: [boinc_dev] Distributed data functions

2009-08-28 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Vie 28 Ago 2009 16:55:04 David Anderson escribió: Currently the client doesn't do this. But it should and someday it may, which is why that statement is there. Right, the documentation shouldn't say what the client does, but what client behavior the server can rely on. -- Nicolas

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Card Gflops in BOINC 6.10

2009-08-28 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
El Sáb 29 Ago 2009 00:30:44 Josef W. Segur escribió: First thoughts: Whetstones don't measure peak performance, more like minimum performance. The benchmark is of very basic funtionality and does not take advantage of improved architectures, instruction sets, etc. It would take advantage of

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