On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:18 -0400, Matthew and Julie Bos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Other Shoe Maru
As much as I like tag lines, this one gets me. These people can kill a man
on video, and you can go ahead and justify it.
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From: Matthew and Julie Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The Other Shoe Maru
As much
--- Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was Robert but I would also say I knew this was
coming, who
didn't after seeing the photos?
I am in no way justifying it, it just was going to
happen.
Gary
You've heard of Daniel Pearl, perhaps? What was his
beheading in retaliation to?
At 08:09 AM 5/12/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was Robert but I would also say I knew this was
coming, who
didn't after seeing the photos?
I am in no way justifying it, it just was going to
happen.
Gary
You've heard of Daniel Pearl, perhaps? What
However, didn't they allegedly (I don't speak
Arabic, and the sound quality
on the piece of video I have seen replayed on the
news is so poor that I
couldn't tell what anyone was saying, no matter what
language they were
saying it in) say that they were doing this in
retaliation for the
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, didn't they allegedly (I don't speak
Arabic, and the sound quality
on the piece of video I have seen replayed on the
news is so poor that I
couldn't tell what anyone was saying, no matter what
language they were
saying it in) say
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From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: What America Does with its Hegemony
I dont think Bosnia or Rwanda were/would have been starting wars.
Both were civil wars as I see
Dan Minette wrote:
I understand how that is nice in theory, but it doesn't really happen. The
UN just gave its tacit approval to the genocide that is developing in
Sudan. The UN insisted that its forces should not stop genocide in Bosnia.
The UN refused to consider
Consider what?
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: What America Does with its Hegemony
I had an unfinished thought...sorry.
I understand how that is nice in theory, but it doesn't
William T Goodall wrote:
So which of the ~1000 cults are you speaking from Nick?
I'm Lutheran, but that's my church, not my faith.
It is somewhat ironic, I think, that people who criticize religion
fail to make distinctions among religion, church and faith. Of
course, those words have
http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=68
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Gautam Mukunda
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Freedom is not free
http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com
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On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:45:13AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The question is, though, do you believe them?
A better question is, why did they do it?
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: What America Does with its Hegemony
Dan wrote:
wrong with overturning a genocidal dictator.
I think the world needs a mechanism
Dave Johnson writes:
http://seetheforest.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_seetheforest_archive.html#10
8437619933006166
Inhofe's Outrage at Humanitarian Do-Gooders
Senator Inhofe said he is outraged at the humanitarian go-gooders at
the Iraq prison abuse hearings yesterday:
q
As I watch this outrage,
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:45:13AM -0700, Gautam
Mukunda wrote:
The question is, though, do you believe them?
A better question is, why did they do it?
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
Isn't it obvious? The same reason that they
NPR's Barbara Bradley Hagerty:
http://betterangels.blogspot.com/2004/05/are-you-calling-me-liar.html
Reporters should be thinking about big ideas and can get bogged down in
detail, she says. I write stories with blanks and let the library staff
fill them in.
---
Hagarty is the NPR reporter
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
Isn't it obvious? The same reason that they butchered
Daniel Pearl. They think that doing
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The image is available on their website for anyone
who wants to see it. I
think that the media isn't showing the murder out of
respect for the
families...just like it stopped showing people
jumping from the WTC.
Dan M.
Let me think about the rest
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The image is available on their website for anyone
who
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=68
My summary... don't try to talk to anyone after you've decided that they
are part of an extremist group. Just kill them.
I'm troubled by the implication that such a group of people is easily
identified. This column, with
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hear so much self-righteous talk about giving
blame and not enough
about forgetting about blame and taking
responsibility.
Nick
But this is absurd. I have no responsibility for the
people who crashed planes into the WTC, and I have no
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat
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7 PM Greenwich time, so it's starting now. There will probably
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--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, let me walk through this arguement. First of
all, I saw people jumping
from the WTC a number of times on TV. Then, an
announcment was made: we
have been requested to stop showing these photos
because of the feelings of
the families of the
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
. I disagree that they're
_primary_, because if they were none of the networks
would have an
At 01:32 PM 5/12/04, Nick Arnett wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=68
My summary... don't try to talk to anyone after you've decided that they
are part of an extremist group. Just kill them.
I'm troubled by the implication that such a group of people is
Gautam, grinding the Everybody but me hates America axe, wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The image is available on their website for anyone
who wants to see it. I
think that the media isn't showing the murder out of
respect for the
families...just like it stopped showing people
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. I disagree that they're
_primary_, because if they were none of the
networks
would have an evening news broadcast. Yet they
do, so
clearly something else is going on.
Why do you say that? The news is not in prime time,
yet it commands
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hear so much self-righteous talk about giving
blame and not enough
about forgetting about blame and taking
responsibility.
Nick
But this is absurd. I have no responsibility for the
people who crashed planes into the WTC, and I
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The conventional wisdom on the main network news
broadcasts is that they lose money significantly.
That may be incorrect (I'm not a media expert) but my
impression is that they are treated as loss-leaders.
The demographics of their audience are _extremely_
old, and
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You chose to apply that to yourself, I didn't. I
certainly didn't mean
to imply that you were responsible for 9/11 and I'm
genuinely curious as
to what line of thought led you there.
Well Nick, if you keep saying ignoring responsibility,
what am I
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was true in the 60s, but ever since 60
Minutes showed that news
can be profitable, news has become a very important
profit center. The
network news organizations had far more freedom when
they were a fixed
necessary (to meet FCC regs)
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I think I've
realized where the difference between you and me on
the media really stems from, Dan. You think that
they're good at their jobs, and I think they're inept.
Inept, but still able to coordinate the release or restriction of
certain videos (Berg, 911 jumpers,
--
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me quote from an ABC News institution, in fact -
The Note:
Like every other institution, the Washington and
political press corps operate with a good number of
biases and predilections.
They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. I disagree that they're
_primary_, because if they were none of the
networks
would have an evening news broadcast. Yet they
do, so
clearly something else is going on.
Why do you say that?
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And as for the right exploiting the mistakes of the
liberal media, well,
Nobody ever went broke understimating the taste of
the American people.
Dave
I might get to the rest later, but, as I repeatedly
point out to Tom, that sort of contempt for the
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Mark Steyn on Nicolas Berg and Daniel Pearl
No, it's not. That's moral vanity again. The hungry
don't care why you feed them,
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 03:27:50PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I might get to the rest later, but, as I repeatedly point out to Tom,
that sort of contempt for the public is why, in the long run, I and
people like me are going to win. I _like_ the American people, and I
Aren't the media
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Well Nick, if you keep saying ignoring responsibility,
what am I supposed to think?
I don't know what you're supposed to do... but my comments were in reply
to that column you posted, not anything you wrote. And it was a very
general observation. It's your choice about
I'm proud to see that Huntsville, Alabama is ranked number 8 in
Forbes' Best Places for Business. Not bad at all, considering
that it has the smallest population in the top 25 list, at only
354,000 people. Other Brineller homes are also on the list,
including Houston at number 15, and Austin at
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
News in general is a profit center (to the extent you
can call Dateline NBC news, I guess). The main
network newscasts - which I referred to - do not.
Peter Jennings is expensive, and not many people watch
him at 6:30pm.
Nonsense. The network news operations, which are
The Fool wrote:
The conventional wisdom on the main network news
broadcasts is that they lose money significantly.
That may be incorrect (I'm not a media expert) but my
impression is that they are treated as loss-leaders.
The demographics of their audience are _extremely_
old, and advertisers
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
News in general is a profit center (to the extent you
can call Dateline NBC news, I guess). The
--
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And as for the right exploiting the mistakes of the
liberal media, well,
Nobody ever went broke understimating the taste of
the American people.
Dave
I might get to the rest later, but, as I
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From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
~Guatum Actually Wrote~: The Fool wrote:
The conventional wisdom on the main network news
broadcasts is that they lose money significantly.
That may be incorrect (I'm not a media expert) but my
impression is that they are treated as
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Inept, but still able to coordinate the release or
restriction of
certain videos (Berg, 911 jumpers, etc)? I suppose
it depends on what
ineptitude you're calling them on.
It's not about conspiracy, it's about groupthink.
We agree that most of mass
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, it's not. That's moral vanity again. The hungry
don't care why you feed them, they care about getting
fed. That's what hunger does to someone. Worrying
about the
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aren't the media American people? Aren't liberals?
Aren't
environmentalists?
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Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
someone who works for ABC News - and, for that matter,
someone who works for
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the person who is the founder of this teaching
(in Nick's tradition at
least) was a marginalized Jewish peasant who's
family and friends, in all
likelihood, often went hungry.
Dan M.
True enough. But the important thing is the food. My
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
someone who works for ABC News - and, for that
matter,
someone who works for The Nature Conservancy
(admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
groups. Someone who worked for Greenpeace, that
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 04:54:11PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
Uh uh. That wasn't the implied question. Do you LIKE them (collectively?
I don't care who you've dated...)? It certainly doesn't sound like it
to me. You said you like American
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can tell you what John Stossel once told me - that a
sign of how far to the left TV news is is that people
think he's a conservative - when he is, of course, a
libertarian.
---
There you go again with the 2 dimensional French political axis.
--
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the person who is the founder of this teaching
(in Nick's tradition at
least) was a marginalized Jewish peasant who's
family and friends, in all
likelihood, often went hungry.
Dan M.
True
At 12:04 AM 5/12/2004 -0400 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
As much as he has a right to be angry, I blame the guy with the knife and
his masked buddies. But then again I do gloss over the big issues...
At 12:20 AM 5/12/2004 -0400 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, Robert Seeberger
At 12:10 PM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Will the right-wing press
publish the images? I think that they will (and have)
put more emphasis on the images than their left-wing
brethren.
For the record, ABC Nightly News last night showed a very extensive clip of
the video, only ending
At 12:44 PM 5/12/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
Isn't it obvious? The same reason that they butchered
Daniel Pearl. They think that doing something like
that is going to scare us - shake our resolve and
convince us to surrender.
Or, even more (as we've
seen) convince us that this is somehow
At 10:46 AM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Let me think about the rest of it but respond to this.
I would argue that there's a very simple rule to
predict when the press will show a picture.
One interesting test case for any rule describing when the media shows a
picture is that the rule
At 04:54 PM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The Nature Conservancy
(admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
groups.
The recent expose in the Washington Post notwithstanding?
JDG
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--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Uh uh. That wasn't the implied question. Do you LIKE
them (collectively?
I don't care who you've dated...)? It certainly
doesn't sound like it
to me. You said you like American people, but I
don't see it in your
writing. You appear to like some, but
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 05:28:31PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I have no idea what you mean. I may disagree with
And I have no idea what you mean about Tom.
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On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 08:16:12PM -0400, JDG wrote:
I think that you utterly missed Gautam's point. At least one
Brin-L'er has already called this the other shoe - i.e. that this
was at least partially our fault. Thus, it seem clear that at least
one goal of these murderer's is to weaken
From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
No conspiracy. Just a lot people who think alike.
Those biases affect their coverage. How many
evangelical Christians do you think report for the New
York Times? For CNN? Does that bias their coverage?
A very high proportion of the
John wrote
One interesting test case for any rule describing when the
media shows a picture is that the rule must explain why the
media refuses to show
pictures of aborted human fetuses/babies.If showing a
picture is about
bringing home the reality of a killing - then surely
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the people who are trained to investigate and
understand things,
by the best universities in the country, given lots
of time and money to do
so, and undiluted access to real information, and
the people actually making
the decisions, end up having
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WHAT ARE THEY SMOKING AT THE LABOR DEPT.?
By JOHN CRUDELE
May 11, 2004 -- DON'T get too excited about all those new jobs that were
supposed to have been created in April.
I'm not going to waste a lot of my precious space on this, but the bottom
line is
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 04:54 PM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The Nature Conservancy
(admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
groups.
The recent expose in the Washington Post
notwithstanding?
JDG
Didn't read it (as I recall, wasn't it interrupted by
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4951979/
Some federal workers have fake degrees
GAO says dozens of employees have bogus diplomas
The Associated Press
Updated: 10:38 a.m. ET May 11, 2004
WASHINGTON - At least 28 senior-level federal employees in eight agencies
have bogus college degrees, including
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
The Idiocy of right-wing torture apologists is truly sickening:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119529,00.html
Was one worse than the other? Where was the outrage, after Fallujah, from
members of Congress and other self-appointed mullahs of morality? Do we
expect American soldiers to be
On 12 May 2004, at 9:41 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:32 PM 5/12/04, Nick Arnett wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=68
My summary... don't try to talk to anyone after you've decided that
they are part of an extremist group. Just kill them.
I'm
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
At 12:44 PM 5/12/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
Isn't it obvious? The same reason that they butchered
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well..there really wouldn't be anything wrong
with it being the
truth.
What's wrong with overlooking ones differences with
others if there is
a strong attraction?
xponent
Just A Thought Maru
rob
Well, sure, but as I explained in a
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From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
At 12:04 AM 5/12/2004 -0400 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
As much as he has a right to be angry, I blame the
On 5/12/04 11:08 PM, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The fine was the largest civil penalty ever against a company for storm
water runoff violations. Officials said they hoped the settlement with
the world's biggest retailer would set an example for smaller companies.
I read this as first
On 5/12/04 6:07 AM, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The phrase is waiting for the other shoe to drop and the idea is
that things are not finished here yet.
To me it means an inevitable event. Something that can't be stopped or
suppressed. Or see the following:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
someone who works for ABC News - and, for that
matter,
someone who works for The Nature Conservancy
(admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
groups. Someone
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