I have 2 kids, and the things that depress me are things my kids have no
influence on. If you don't like kids, then you should be able to justify to
yourself why you don't want them IMHO.
There are things my kids do and experience that makes me happy. Watching
them grow up and experience the
On 08/07/2010, at 9:26 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
...which makes ond feel worthy, satisfied... happy?
It's impossible to separate self-interest from that too. Frankly, everyone
does things for self-interest, even altruism...
Metaphysical presuppositions about experiences you have never had
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:54 PM, David Hobby hob...@newpaltz.edu wrote:
And yet, it's very rewarding. I guess I'd boil it down
to one sentence as Children give one's life meaning.
And very large cell phone bills.
Nick
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If I may put in my .02 worth...
The big pay off to having children, IMO, is...GRANDchildren. What's that
quote? If I'd have known having Grandchildren was so much fun, I would
have done it first --unknown.
I always knew I wanted to have kids, what I didn't know when I was 26 and
had the first
Seems to me that it would be good here to step outside of the developed
world and recognize that when people have no safety net, having children is
a form of social security - someone to take care of them when they are old.
It has been surprising to me when Americans in the midst of a place like
From
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/features/67024/
From the perspective of the species, it’s perfectly unmysterious why people
have children. From the perspective of the individual, however, it’s more of a
mystery than one might think. Most people assume that having children will make
them
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:41 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I'm glad I don't have any.
Probably best you don't have any for your and for any children's sake,
then, eh?
Evidently, there's more to life than pleasing yourself.
Dave
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Subject: Re: Having kids makes you unhappy
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:41 AM, William T Goodall
On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:41 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I'm glad I don't have any.
Probably best you don't have any for your and for any children's
sake,
then, eh?
Evidently, there's more to life than pleasing yourself.
You know I'd agree
As it turns out, I wasn't really pointing the finger (of that last
sentence, anyway) at William, but, as you notice, at the fact that
there's something behind these numbers that suggests that parenting
operates differently from the pursuit of pleasurable activities.
Absolutely. As it turns out,
On 08/07/2010, at 4:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
It appears that the research suggests something profound, which I think you
allude to. Parenting is for folks who have goals other than their own
pleasure, who are truly willing to put the needs of others above personal
pleasure.
...which
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From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:39 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Having kids makes you unhappy
On 08/07/2010, at 4:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote
On 7 Jul 2010, at 22:45, Dan Minette wrote:
It all has to do with value systems. I was mentioning William, not as
finger pointing, but in recognition that he has a very different set of
values than I do.
I am an honest person who values truth and logical argument and conducts
himself with
William T Goodall wrote:
On 7 Jul 2010, at 22:45, Dan Minette wrote:
It all has to do with value systems. I was mentioning William, not
as finger pointing, but in recognition that he has a very different
set of values than I do.
I am an honest person who values truth and logical argument and
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