At 01:52 PM 6/11/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote:
When we removed the regime in power we were
in charge of law enforcement until a native police force could be
reestablished. It is obvious that the museums were inadequately secured and
they were our responsibility.
No, this is not obvious at
At 01:31 PM 6/11/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean, you HOPE we will find them. I don't care either way.
I'm sorry, Tom, but I think that you are lying. You did not write your
two messages in this thread in a way that gives that impression that you,
quote, don't care either way.
In
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
OK, so I guess we can make the people of Iraq a deal -
we can find their lost stuff, plus, just as an extra
special bonus, we'll bury their children alive in mass
graves.
Do you think they'd take that deal? Because by God
you talk like you think they would.
Jeeze,
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:49:16PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
On what curve exactly are you grading, Erik?
I don't grade on a curve, but I guess that explains your comments, you
are curving 71 up to 100. I mean, come on!
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:55:36PM +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote:
Yes, I know. Who am I to make these value judgements??
One of the traitor commie bastards that infests this list? :-)
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Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/
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Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:55:36PM +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote:
Yes, I know. Who am I to make these value judgements??
One of the traitor commie bastards that infests this list? :-)
:) Thank you, Erik.
I think the problem with this thread is that some people are seeing
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:49:16PM -0700, Gautam
Mukunda wrote:
On what curve exactly are you grading, Erik?
I don't grade on a curve, but I guess that explains
your comments, you
are curving 71 up to 100. I mean, come on!
Erik Reuter [EMAIL
On 12 Jun 2003 at 8:40, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:49:16PM -0700, Gautam
Mukunda wrote:
On what curve exactly are you grading, Erik?
I don't grade on a curve, but I guess that explains
your comments, you
are
--- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would that be? I for one would certainly argue
that every
democracy so far has had a definate weakness in
terms of long term
planning and stability
Andy
The oldest written Constitution in the world (the
oldest single government in
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:40:12AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
than some hypothetical perfection - and I'd like to see you (or anyone
else) try to run something this complex at anything even vaguely
approaching a similar level of success - what are you basing _your_
judgments on?
If I
-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 09:14 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arguement is beneath you. The specific
complaint about
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:16 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth
--- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would that be? I for one would certainly
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
From _The Guardian_ (that bastion of pro-Bush
propaganda):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,974193,00.html
As JDG has pointed out, the number of items currently
believed to have been stolen is 33 and dropping.
Truly the
On 12 Jun 2003 at 10:16, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would that be? I for one would certainly argue
that every
democracy so far has had a definate weakness in
terms of long term
planning and stability
Andy
The oldest written
I do wonder, at some point will the credibility of
these people just evaporate? I mean, will people say,
gee, the people of Iraq _did_ celebrate when we
arrived, Saddam _was_ defeated fairly easily, the
country _didn't_ collapse into civil war, the museum
_wasn't_ looted, and so on - at
-Original Message-
From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 08:42 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth
From _The Guardian_ (that bastion of pro-Bush
propaganda):
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do wonder, at some point will the credibility of
these people just evaporate? I mean, will people
say,
gee, the people of Iraq _did_ celebrate when we
arrived, Saddam _was_ defeated fairly easily, the
country _didn't_ collapse into civil war, the
museum
You know, Tom, given your previous record on
predictions in Iraq, do you think you might want to be
a little more careful with statements like the above?
Just a thought. I mean, if we do find them - and I
still think the odds are pretty good that we will -
what will you hate Bush foreign
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the Smithsonian lost 33 major items and over
3,000 minor items, you better believe it'd be
called the heist of the century.
-j-
OK, so I guess we can make the people of Iraq a deal -
we can find their lost stuff, plus, just as an extra
special
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean, you HOPE we will find them. I don't care
either way. I'm glad
Saddam is gone, and I didn't object to getting rid
of him. On the other hand, we
were obviously not prepared for what comes next,
either in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Really? My information -
-Original Message-
From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:32 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the Smithsonian lost 33 major items and over
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the Smithsonian lost 33
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think they'd take that deal? Because by
God
you talk like you think they would.
I'm merely pointing out the lack of perspective in
saying that the loss of only 33 major artifacts
and only 3,000 minor artifacts is nothing to be
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point he's making is a valid one. He didn't say
we shouldn't have
liberated Iraq in this thread. When we removed the
regime in power we were
in charge of law enforcement until a native police
force could be
reestablished. It is obvious that
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:30 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think they'd take that deal? Because by
God
you talk like you think they would.
I'm
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 02:35:34PM -0700, Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
An interesting essay, Gautam, but still doesn't explain how my
pointing out that the missing artifacts are in fact one of the biggest
losses in museum history (outside outright descrution) is somehow
equated with burying
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:20:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arguement is beneath you. The specific complaint about looting of
the museum has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the war. This is
not an either or question. One can rescue Iraqi children and protect
antiquites. That
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arguement is beneath you. The specific
complaint about looting of the museum has nothing to
do with the legitimacy of the war. This is not an
either or question. One can rescue Iraqi children
and protect antiquites. That is precisely the point.
The looting
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:20:50PM -0400,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I first learned of this technique while
reading Ender's Game.
When a politician accomplishes something that most
would consider
worthwhile, they like to set up a false
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:16:56PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
trivial issue. Of all the things that happened in Baghdad for the
last year, the theft (that may or may not have happened) of 33
artifacts is surely far down the list of importance.
Agreed. There were much more important
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed. There were much more important mistakes made
by Americans after
the war. You know I supported the war, so you can't
make those claims
about me that you made about some others. Just
because I supported the
war, however, doesn't mean that I
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