On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 09:46:46PM -0500, The Fool wrote:
First off people have roughly 1/2 of their brain devoted to nothing
_but_ illogical emotional thinking.
In your case, more like 99%.
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 09:46:46PM -0500, The Fool wrote:
First off people have roughly 1/2 of their brain devoted to nothing
_but_ illogical emotional thinking.
In your case, more like 99%.
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Just imitating you.
The Fool wrote:
Just imitating you.
An entirely predictable response, including its inaccuracy.
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The Fool wrote:
Just imitating you.
An entirely predictable response, including its inaccuracy.
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Again, Just imitating you: the most predictable brin-l member.
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From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik said:
You obviously don't understand quantum mechanics.
Well, I understand quantum mechanics and if predictable is a necessary
condition for something to be considered logical then the universe
isn't logical.
In that sense, human
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 09:45:17PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote:
isn't logical. (I am well aware that the probabilities themselves are
predictable in principle, but unless you subscribe to a global hidden
Which is of course what is relevant, and what
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:15:09AM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
the universe, but regardless I stand by my contention, The universe is
not logical. We use logic as a way to attempt to understand how the
universe works, it is a human construct, a way of thinking, a useful
tool.
Semantics. Weak
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And you are not worth the effort to explain things to, since thinking is obviously not
something that you do.
Thank you Erik.
I am, therefore I think.
You have given an excellent demonstration of my arguement that people, even your
esteemed self,
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:15:09AM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
the universe, but regardless I stand by my contention, The universe is
not logical. We use logic as a way to attempt to understand how the
universe works, it is a human construct, a way of
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:46:07AM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
I just type what I feel,
Which is the problem, and which I have noticed about you before (i.e.,
it is predictable). Don't expect me to spend time to carefully explain
things to you if you don't spend time thinking and when necessary,
Just FYI here's a listing of what US forces are
currently active in Iraq. Might be interesting for
comparative purposes.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_toe.htm
Damon.
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Damon Agretto
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And here's more specific info on the Iranian military:
Air force:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-equipment.htm
Army:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ground-equipment.htm
Damon.
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 10:49:19AM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
Firstly you are suggesting that logical thought applies in these
situations.
That is because logical thought applies to reality. I'm not suggesting
it applies to all Iranians, obviously, or to you, equally obviously.
But regardless
Couldn't sleep and this part of the thread drew me back.
Let me correct some facts.
Here are the correct totals from the CCIS2002Middleeast.pdf I happen
to have. Getting current year or last year estimates is too expensive
and not really needed. Armies normally change little in 2-3 years. In
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:27:42 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 04:55:21PM -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
6. A strong case could be made for another country.
Bullshit. As bad as Bush and Co. are, I'd take them over Iran's leaders
any day. It's not even close.
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 06:21:34AM -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
My, strong language and illogic - this was not an either/or choice of
Bush/Cheney and Iranian leaders.
My, lies and sophistry. Yes it was, and you know it.
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From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 10:49:19AM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
Firstly you are suggesting that logical thought applies in these
situations.
That is because logical thought applies to reality. I'm not suggesting
it applies to all Iranians, obviously,
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 10:07:44PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
No, logic is totally and completely divorced from reality, thats my
Of course it is not. People may not behave logically (consistently,
predictably, etc.), but the universe does. Actions have consequences,
and no matter how much you
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mig 29 34
Moderately potent and modern aircraft. But only 34...
su 2486
Ground attack.
f-14
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Nick Lidster wrote:
Irans standing power is 912,569 (2004 est.) mixture of all branches,
including law
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 10:07:44PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
No, logic is totally and completely divorced from reality, thats my
Of course it is not. People may not behave logically (consistently,
predictably, etc.), but the universe does.
Have you
From: Nick Lidster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
much snippage
Ill give you that, as long as you can concede that there would be
significant US casualties.
Sounds a lot like what a lot of people said before the first Gulf
War (including myself, I'll admit). But in an open battle, our
technology
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From: Nick Lidster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
much snippage
Ill give you that, as long as you can concede
Sounds a lot like what a lot of people said before
the first Gulf
War (including myself, I'll admit). But in an open
battle, our
technology and training was greater than the
overwhelming numbers of
tanks, infantry, aircraft, etc.
Heck, folks were saying the same before the GW2!
Largely
On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 03:00:56AM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
Have you been keeping up with your science lately? Heard of this
thing called quantum mechanics? Read up on it, you will find it
fascinating. And also people dont play any part in your world then. If
You obviously don't understand
Erik said:
You obviously don't understand quantum mechanics.
Well, I understand quantum mechanics and if predictable is a necessary
condition for something to be considered logical then the universe
isn't logical. (I am well aware that the probabilities themselves are
predictable in principle,
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Erik said:
You obviously don't understand quantum mechanics.
Well, I understand quantum mechanics
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:20:46 -0230, Nick Lidster
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nick Lidster wrote:
Irans standing power is 912,569 (2004 est.) mixture of all branches,
including law enforcement. 3000 troops sure isn't a
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 09:45:17PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote:
isn't logical. (I am well aware that the probabilities themselves are
predictable in principle, but unless you subscribe to a global hidden
Which is of course what is relevant, and what I was referring to.
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 04:39:12PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I agree with that if-then statement, but I'm guessing logical means
able to be modeled in some form of logic calculus (paraphrasing
Weinburgs regrets about ethics not being reducible to this.) For the
most part, we've done a very
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 10:07:44PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
No, logic is totally and completely divorced from reality, thats my
Of course it is not. People may not behave logically (consistently,
predictably, etc.), but the universe does. Actions
From: iaamoac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I happen to know that there are a number of critiques of Bush's
foreign policy on this List. Thus, I thought that it would be
interesting to solicit recommendations for what to do about Iran
here. I look forward to your thoughts.
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:35:54 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Iran is _*Already*_ Massing troops on the Iraq border for just that:
According to GOP Moonie Propagandist Newspaper / UPI:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040615-055649-4707r.htm
Iran massing troops on Iraq
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
but then I am not Iranian. If I was, I would probably think it was a
damn fine idea, and do my best to make it happen cos, as North Korea
seems to demonstrate, once you have them, then the Big Bad Yankees
leave you alone.
Perhaps
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:13:09 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
but then I am not Iranian. If I was, I would probably think it was a
damn fine idea, and do my best to make it happen cos, as North Korea
seems to
Erik said:
Perhaps if you were a stupid Iranian, you might have that opinion.
Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because
countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational
world of mutual deterrence or else face total disaster. (They may not
have to
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 08:23:15PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote:
Erik said:
Perhaps if you were a stupid Iranian, you might have that opinion.
Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because
countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational
world of
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:51:39 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps you are being dangerously naive and foolishly optimistic. The
leaders of are irrational and corrupt. Wishing nuclear weapons in
their hands is insanity.
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
1.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 04:55:21PM -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
6. A strong case could be made for another country.
Bullshit. As bad as Bush and Co. are, I'd take them over Iran's leaders
any day. It's not even close. That you would claim otherwise shows that
you are either naive or ignorant.
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because
countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational
world of mutual deterrence or else face total disaster. (They may not
have to enter into an arrangement of mutual deterrence
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote:
but then I am not Iranian. If I was, I would probably think
it was a
damn fine idea, and do my best to make it happen cos, as
North Korea
seems to demonstrate, once you have
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From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because
countries with nuclear
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:35:54 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Iran is _*Already*_ Massing troops
mig 29 34
Moderately potent and modern aircraft. But only 34...
su 2486
Ground attack.
f-14 247
Good luck getting spares...
f-7 287
Chinese MiG-21 knock-off
f-4 472
Good luck getting spares...
f-5 197
Obsolete (unless its the CHINESE F-5 [MiG-17]
Nick Lidster wrote:
Irans standing power is 912,569 (2004 est.) mixture of all branches,
including law enforcement. 3000 troops sure isn't a large force, but lets
not forget that they have an air force as well;
mig 29 34
su 2486
f-14 247
f-7 287
f-4 472
Gary said:
Now if Russia, China, England and France got together with us could
we make Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, and North Korea give up
their bombs?
That would be Britain or the United Kingdom. England doesn't have
any kind of overall political authority that could make such a
decision.
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At 03:22 PM 6/14/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote:
Simple. We send in the stealth Bombers / Fighters and bomb every single
suspected nuclear site with daisy cutters. It's the right thing to do.
Shrub is too cowardly and ignorant to the right thing.
And you
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:01:50 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote:
I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly
if a coalition said to pack up the reactor and go home.
Uh what do you think the world is doing
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:29:31 -0230, Nick Lidster
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snip
I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly
if a coalition said to pack up the reactor and go home. Though the Fool
would be correct in saying that bombing all of the suspected sites is
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:55:49 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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At 03:22 PM 6/14/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote:
Simple. We send in the stealth Bombers / Fighters and bomb every single
suspected nuclear site with daisy cutters. It's the right thing
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:27:17 -0500, Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:01:50 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote:
I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly
if a coalition said to
At 05:12 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
Should be What has having no enemy in the world one-tenth as strong
militarily done for us, except to give some people twitchy fingers and
delusions of grandeur?
I suggest that you tell a bunch of New York City widows just how
all-powerful the United
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:36:35 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:12 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
Should be What has having no enemy in the world one-tenth as strong
militarily done for us, except to give some people twitchy fingers and
delusions of grandeur?
I suggest that
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:01:50 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:10:09 -0500, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Other than
giving some people twitchy fingers and delusions of grandeur what does
having no enemy in the world being one tenth as strong as us done?
It has allowed us to be a lot firmer with right wing
JDG wrote:
At 05:12 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
Should be What has having no enemy in the world one-tenth as strong
militarily done for us, except to give some people twitchy fingers and
delusions of grandeur?
I suggest that you tell a bunch of New York City widows just how
From: Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:44:53 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The Fool wrote:
From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Would Israel do the right thing?
Julia
If I was someone in
The Fool wrote:
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From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I happen to know that there are a number of critiques of Bush's
foreign policy on this List. Thus, I thought that it would be
interesting to solicit recommendations for what to do about Iran
here. I look forward to your
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
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From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I happen to know that there are a number of critiques of Bush's
foreign policy on this List. Thus, I thought that it would be
interesting to solicit
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:44:53 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Fool wrote:
From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Would Israel do the right thing?
Julia
Be kinda ironic, if that is the word I want, if Israel dropped a nuke
to take out Iran's plant.
Now if Russia,
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:44:53 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Fool wrote:
From: iaamoac
At 03:22 PM 6/14/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote:
Simple. We send in the stealth Bombers / Fighters and bomb every single
suspected nuclear site with daisy cutters. It's the right thing to do.
Shrub is too cowardly and ignorant to the right thing.
And you would do this without UN or NATO
At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote:
I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly
if a coalition said to pack up the reactor and go home.
Uh what do you think the world is doing RE; Iran and DPRK right now,
and what do you see Iran and DPRK doing in
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