Re: Plonkworthy?
Michael Harney wrote: I have been informed today that I have been plonked by one of the listmembers. Which listmember is irrelivant. [snip] If enough people express a desire for me to leave I will do so and never return. The last thing I want is to make people uncomfortable. I know you've already decided to stick around (yay!) but I want to throw in my US $0.02. It seems there are people on this list (and we probably all do it to some extent) who have certain hot-button issues where they don't react to the actual post, but instead react to the stereotype they have in their mind about certain kinds of posters. For example, when anyone posts anything about religion, The Fool and William Goodall react as if that person was posting from a religious extremest perspective, instead of reading what the poster actually wrote. Not all religious people are extremists and we certainly don't all believe the same things. In the past I've seen some people on this list who are politically far-left who seem to treat anyone to the right of them as a conservative extremist, and I've seen some who are far-right treat anyone to the left of them as a liberal extremist. It sounds like your plonker has had run-ins with militant extremist vegetarians in the past (and as funny as that term sounds, there certainly are militant extremist vegetarians out there) and now assumes that every vegetarian is an extremist, and that every vegetarian is a vegetarian for the same reasons. The reality is that no two people ever do or think *anything* for *exactly* the same reasons. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination, I say. Thank you for sticking around, Michael, I always look forward to reading your posts. Reggie Bautista _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The evils of eating vegetables (was Re: L3:Worldcancerdeathrateshave increased...)
Julia wrote: Julia who's mostly been wanting chicken, steak and cheese lately, as far as non-plant foods go All at the same time? Or is that chicken steak, and cheese? ;-) Reggie Bautista _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Gary Nunn wrote: For example, in the Matrix universe, what functional reason would the machines have for plugging humans into a simulation (besides the obvious of being a plot device)? Maybe the machines, who presumably were once enslaved by humanity, are now obsessed with enslaving humanity in return. I've seen some of the other comments challenging the writing of the movies. As science fiction, The Matrix and sequel(s) certainly have problems. But as a reading of the Merovingian Heresy and as a Gnostic philosophy parable, The Matrix and Matrix: Reloaded really hang together quite nicely. The philosophical stuff that is spouted in great gouts in the second movie by General Exposition (or The Merovingian) is not filler, it is in fact the heart of the movie, at least as far as the philosophy-obsessed Wachowski brothers are concerned. Reggie Bautista _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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RE: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one just learned all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell I think. One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant. Mine are: vacuum, caffeine, torture and a few others. Fortunately, torture doesn't come up too much outside of RPG situations... Hey! I got them all right on the first, ok, second try! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Sleep Apnea
From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But I definitely pay attention (no joke intended)to news about connections between sleep apnea and AD/HD, etc. Since the information about that was posted, we started wondering if something like this might be effecting my daughter. She was showing some signs of ADHD and other behaviour problems. She was complaining about being tired ALL the time. It took a bit to convince my wife to take it seriously but eventually we brought her to someone to be checked out. It turns out that she is definitely not ADHD but does have a sleep disorder of some sort. The treatment is Benadryl! She's been taking it every night before she goes to bed for a couple of months now and it has done wonders for her. She's not complaining about being tired anymore. Her behaviour has improved markedly. It's wonderful. All because of a link posted to this list! That's why I stay on Brin-L! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
For example, in the Matrix universe, what functional reason would the machines have for plugging humans into a simulation (besides the obvious of being a plot device)? Maybe the machines, who presumably were once enslaved by humanity, are now obsessed with enslaving humanity in return. I thought the argument was thatz the humans work better wehen stimulated by the simulation. Better working humans will produce more energy for the machines. - klaus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course foolish since the energy needed to create a human is far greater than the energy that the human can generate. You could run machines on plants thus converting sunlight into complex carbohydrates that can be used as fuel. But why bother with this - just use mechanical devices to collect solar energy. Uh, I guess the human are farmed for other kind of energy than the one which we know. As one can see, the energy which is farmed in the movie The Matrix forms very interesting spark forms, which do not relate to any form of energy we know so far. What The Matrix really extracts from the people is money. As you may have noticed when visting the cinema. And also, when you noticed that you'll have to watch ANOTHER film, because the current one is unfinished. Best regards, KLaus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
I mean, Morpheus may not have been perfect, but I find Laurence Fishburne to be very easy on the eyes. And I'm not complaining about Keanu Reeves, either. Yes, all we talk about is _eyes_. Not ears. My ears were definitely NOT entertained by the dialogues (and monologues). Best regards, Klaus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irrregulars Questions on Macs
WindowsT comes with solitaire. Do Macs come with solitaire or any other card games? Nope, I guess. Ya know: Linux is for networking, Mac is for working, Windows is for Solitaire (originator of this unknown to me) - Klaus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
It could provide incentive for people to buy safer and smaller cars. No. Not really. Heavier cars are safer in crashes, because they can simply push aside smaller opponents, while losing only little speed. The negative accleration is what kills you in a car crash. Heavier car = less negative accleration = less injury. I guess that's also the reason why seat belt are less common in busses than in cars. - Klaus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Nunn wrote: For example, in the Matrix universe, what functional reason would the machines have for plugging humans into a simulation (besides the obvious of being a plot device)? Maybe the machines, who presumably were once enslaved by humanity, are now obsessed with enslaving humanity in return. I've seen some of the other comments challenging the writing of the movies. As science fiction, The Matrix and sequel(s) certainly have problems. But as a reading of the Merovingian Heresy and as a Gnostic philosophy parable, Yea, I guess I am hoping that if they are at least clever enough to steal from philosophy then they are clever enough to steal from Level 13, Brazil, Dark Planet, level 13 (the movie), Max Headroom, etc. And if they are creative enough to do the special effects they are pulling off, then perhaps they are creative enough to steal with some style and drop us a new twist or two that were not in the source material. I am willing to go along with the eye candy for the sake of the eye candy while I wait to see if the story ends up having any merit. Speaking of eye candy, anyone notice the distinct lack of hot women? Lots of hot boys I understand, but no really sexy girls. It's all buck and no doe. I've seen the women the bros run around with, so what's the deal? = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Yea, I guess I am hoping that if they are at least clever enough to steal from philosophy then they are clever enough to steal from Level 13, Brazil, Dark Planet, level 13 (the movie), Max Headroom, etc. _ Jan William Coffey Do you mean The Thirteenth Floor? I couldn't find any reference to 'Level 13 on the IMDB. It is not surprising that the plot lines to Thirteenth Floor and Matrix were so similar. It seems that similar movies tend to appear together - for example - Armageddon and Deep Impact. Matrix was released March 31, 1999 and Thirteenth Floor was released mid April 1999. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Sleep Apnea
Benadryl! She's been taking it every night before she goes to bed for a couple of months now and it has done wonders for her. She's not complaining about being tired anymore. Her behavior has improved markedly. It's wonderful. All because of a link posted to this list! That's why I stay on Brin-L! - jmh I would guess that the antihistamine in the Benadryl is stopping inflammation or swelling that was causing her to have difficulty breathing? My 9 year old daughter has ADHD and asthma and did a sleep study for sleep apnea. She sleeps poorly, has big bags under her eyes and is tired and irritable. I started watching what she was eating, put a HEPA filter in her room and use a waterproof slip cover over her mattress to help reduce any allergens that may be there. Her symptoms of ADHD have decreased dramatically. Her doctor explained that the sleep problems were greatly aggravating the ADHD. I have severe obstructive sleep apnea. I have been using a bi-pap for over a year now and my life has changed dramatically. Aside from not feeling like a truck hit me every morning, my memory has started to return and my cognitive abilities have dramatically improved. My short term memory was to the point that I often could not remember where I parked or sometimes even my phone number without making a serious effort to concentrate on remembering it. Other changes I am experiencing - I stopped falling asleep at my desk and at stop lights, my blood pressure has returned to normal and I have been taken off of blood pressure meds and the most dramatic, and my favorite, is that I have started to lose weight. My family doctor has suspected for years that I had sleep apnea, but he didn't send me to the neurologist because he was not that familiar with the causes and treatments. His solution was to lose weight. But the irony is, that it was impossible to lose weight with the sleep apnea. My metabolism was slowed to the point that weight loss was nearly impossible. The metabolism slows to compensate for the lack of oxygen at night. My blood 02 content was below 47% at night during my sleep study. The neurologist said that, untreated, I had a 100% chance of having a heart attack or stroke in the next 5 years - that is if I didn't kill myself falling asleep in traffic. So needless to say, I chose the treatment. Nick, if you suspect that you have any degree of sleep apnea, ask your family doctor to send you to a neurologist that specializes in sleep disorders. You won't be sorry. Since I have responded so well to the treatment, and I have started to lose weight, I have recently found out that once I lose a bit more weight, I can have a minor throat surgery and likely be completely cured of the apnea. The neurologist said that I would have had sleep apnea even had I not gained weight and aggravated the condition. The symptoms that originally took me to the doctor were rapid and unexplained weight gain, snoring (of course), severe heartburn at night (also vomiting in my sleep) , waking up gasping for breath, waking up exhausted, and the morning headaches. There is nothing like a headache induced by lack of oxygen. I would choose a migraine ANY day over that. Of course, there were the weird things like not being able to breathe in my dreams. Gheeze, and I thought it was all because my ex-wife was putting the pillow over my face at night :-) I finally decided in March 2002 to seek treatment when a former co-worker, who also had sleep apnea, vomited in his sleep and aspirated it into his lungs as he gasped for breath. His wife watched him die on their bedroom floor before the ambulance got to him. This is my favorite sleep apnea site: http://www.sleepnet.com/ Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
--- Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I guess I am hoping that if they are at least clever enough to steal from philosophy then they are clever enough to steal from Level 13, Brazil, Dark Planet, level 13 (the movie), Max Headroom, etc. _ Jan William Coffey Do you mean The Thirteenth Floor? I couldn't find any reference to 'Level 13 on the IMDB. It is not surprising that the plot lines to Thirteenth Floor and Matrix were so similar. Yea, sorry, Level 13 was short story and a TV show. The movie was called 13th Floor. It seems that similar movies tend to appear together - for example - Armageddon and Deep Impact. Matrix was released March 31, 1999 and Thirteenth Floor was released mid April 1999. What happens is that a script goes to be sold at different production companies. If it is turned away from one, but then picked up at another, the one (or more) sometimes change their minds and either create something similar and put it on the rush, or buy another similar script. Existenz was a 99 movie as well. :) = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people
--- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one just learned all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell I think. One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant. Mine are: vacuum, caffeine, torture and a few others. Why is people spelled that way? Everyone sais pee-pole not pee-op-le. hu, hu huhu hu, He said _pee_ _pole_, hu huh huhu = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Harney wrote: I have been informed today that I have been plonked by one of the listmembers. Which listmember is irrelivant. [snip] If enough people express a desire for me to leave I will do so and never return. The last thing I want is to make people uncomfortable. I know you've already decided to stick around (yay!) but I want to throw in my US $0.02. It seems there are people on this list (and we probably all do it to some extent) who have certain hot-button issues where they don't react to the actual post, but instead react to the stereotype they have in their mind about certain kinds of posters. For example, when anyone posts anything about religion, The Fool and William Goodall react as if that person was posting from a religious extremest perspective, instead of reading what the poster actually wrote. Not all religious people are extremists and we certainly don't all believe the same things. In the past I've seen some people on this list who are politically far-left who seem to treat anyone to the right of them as a conservative extremist, and I've seen some who are far-right treat anyone to the left of them as a liberal extremist. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE does this. Even Dr. Brin does this sometimes. Of course some people do it more than others. It's a real hot button for me. I tend to appear aggressive when someone has done this to me. First I try and explain the difference, but usually the nuance is unimportant to them. Or they just don't get it. I mean, they would have to be actually listening, and caring what I was saying to get it, and at that point they usually aren't, and don't. Then I get into a meta discussion and try to explain the very situation we are now discussing. (recursive isn't it) Unfortunately that usually results in them thinking that I am personally attacking them. They respond by personally attacking, and then -I- get aggressive. The thing is -they- usually would have thought I was being aggressive from the get-go. To them, I made it into a fight. To me they did. I like to call this conversational monad a communicative fixed-point impedance mismatch. Really though, I wish this were a well known concept and their was a good name for it. Then people could get out of that particular loop by simply naming the instance and moving on. It might become part of on-(and off)-line etiquette. Hay, your FPIMing me! Oh I'm sorry, are you sure? Yes I am saying (*.) and you are FPIMing that I am saying something more (*). I fail to see the difference, - - - - what is it? - - - - ah! if only. Jan non-linear thinking maru = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 05:17 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote: The Fool and William Goodall react as if that person was posting from a religious extremest perspective, instead of reading what the poster actually wrote. LOL! You have got it completely backwards...some people post extremist religious nonsense and then act surprised when they get brought up on it. Not all religious people are extremists and we certainly don't all believe the same things. Religion is extremist by nature. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sleep Apnea
Hey John, I hope Debbi can add something to this. Diphenhydramine is an antihistamine, they are for allergies! One can get pneumonia due to dehydration (and aggravate asthma). This is true of all antihistamines. Maybe ask Dr. about Valerian root tea for the sleep condition? Camomille tea also helps but I guess those would be hard to get a child to accept. I don't mean to alarm you, it's just that I feel strongly about Doctors freely Rx'ing drugs as a quick fix (pardon the pun) or the solution to a problem. Also check: http://www.allergy-cold.com/conaffairs/benadryldecongestant.shtml http://www.dermnetnz.org/index.html Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ - Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Sleep Apnea From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But I definitely pay attention (no joke intended)to news about connections between sleep apnea and AD/HD, etc. Since the information about that was posted, we started wondering if something like this might be effecting my daughter. She was showing some signs of ADHD and other behaviour problems. She was complaining about being tired ALL the time. It took a bit to convince my wife to take it seriously but eventually we brought her to someone to be checked out. It turns out that she is definitely not ADHD but does have a sleep disorder of some sort. The treatment is Benadryl! She's been taking it every night before she goes to bed for a couple of months now and it has done wonders for her. She's not complaining about being tired anymore. Her behaviour has improved markedly. It's wonderful. All because of a link posted to this list! That's why I stay on Brin-L! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The evils of eating vegetables (wasRe:L3:Worldcancerdeathrateshave increased...)
Reggie Bautista wrote: Julia wrote: Julia who's mostly been wanting chicken, steak and cheese lately, as far as non-plant foods go All at the same time? Or is that chicken steak, and cheese? ;-) Not all at once. Two out of three (one of the meats + cheese) is as much as I want at any one sitting. :) When I was pregnant with Sammy, I wanted to go to Tres Amigos twice a week. Now I want to go to Olive Garden twice a week. Julia who really enjoyed going to Threadgill's today -- nothing like a nicely done burger with broccoli on the side instead of fries ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Sleep Apnea
On 8 Jun 2003 at 14:52, Gary Nunn wrote: waking up exhausted, and the morning headaches. There is nothing like a headache induced by lack of oxygen. I would choose a migraine ANY day over that. Of course, there were the weird things like not being Agree totally. Of course, it's only happened a few times to me (if I try and sleep on aircraft, basically), but it's certainly memorable. Worse than mild concussion IMO. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Sleep Apnea
From: Han Tacoma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope Debbi can add something to this. Diphenhydramine is an antihistamine, they are for allergies! Diphenhydramine also makes you very sleepy. Very, very sleepy. That's the PM part of Tylenol PM. It's just Tylenol with Benadryl. So it is helping her sleep. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Callers are paying $2 a minute for a supernatural adviser. They're getting me instead. ESP Net's online guidance site asserts that it is an unrealistic expectation for callers to assume psychics are psychic. But its contract is more ambiguous about occult powers. While it stated I could not claim a call was anything more than entertainment, on the next page, awaiting my signature, was this sentence: It is my personal feeling or understanding that I possess psychic or clairvoyant abilities. How could I sign this? Complete article. http://slate.msn.com/id/2083907/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
At 11:27 AM 6/8/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: Gary Nunn wrote: For example, in the Matrix universe, what functional reason would the machines have for plugging humans into a simulation (besides the obvious of being a plot device)? Maybe the machines, who presumably were once enslaved by humanity, are now obsessed with enslaving humanity in return. I've seen some of the other comments challenging the writing of the movies. As science fiction, The Matrix and sequel(s) certainly have problems. But as a reading of the Merovingian Heresy and as a Gnostic philosophy parable, The Matrix and Matrix: Reloaded really hang together quite nicely. The philosophical stuff that is spouted in great gouts in the second movie by General Exposition (or The Merovingian) is not filler, it is in fact the heart of the movie, at least as far as the philosophy-obsessed Wachowski brothers are concerned. Uh, I get enough discussion of philosophy in the course of a normal day. Can't I go to a movie just to be entertained? ;-) -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picking apart the Matrix - no spoilers
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:27 AM 6/8/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: I've seen some of the other comments challenging the writing of the movies. As science fiction, The Matrix and sequel(s) certainly have problems. But as a reading of the Merovingian Heresy and as a Gnostic philosophy parable, The Matrix and Matrix: Reloaded really hang together quite nicely. The philosophical stuff that is spouted in great gouts in the second movie by General Exposition (or The Merovingian) is not filler, it is in fact the heart of the movie, at least as far as the philosophy-obsessed Wachowski brothers are concerned. Uh, I get enough discussion of philosophy in the course of a normal day. Can't I go to a movie just to be entertained? Yeah, what he said. And why hasn't anyone mentioned the explosions? With good enough explosions, who *needs* good writing, anyway? If I want good writing, I'll read a book! Julia who really likes good explosions in movies, and who felt totally *gypped* at the end of Duel [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0067023] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Jan Coffey wrote: I like to call this conversational monad a communicative fixed-point impedance mismatch. Really though, I wish this were a well known concept and their was a good name for it. Then people could get out of that particular loop by simply naming the instance and moving on. It might become part of on-(and off)-line etiquette. Hay, your FPIMing me! Oh I'm sorry, are you sure? Yes I am saying (*.) and you are FPIMing that I am saying something more (*). I fail to see the difference, - - - - what is it? - - - - Part of it is projection. Someone says something in which you disagree with *one* point, and they project the opposite of their own position onto *everything* there. What *really* gets me is when someone doing this projects the most *extreme* position from theirs and attacks you for having said that, when all you said was something maybe a few degrees from their position. And then they cuss you out on top of it. *That* is beyond the pale, IMO. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Sleep Apnea
At 02:52 PM 6/8/03 -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Benadryl! She's been taking it every night before she goes to bed for a couple of months now and it has done wonders for her. She's not complaining about being tired anymore. Her behavior has improved markedly. It's wonderful. All because of a link posted to this list! That's why I stay on Brin-L! - jmh I would guess that the antihistamine in the Benadryl is stopping inflammation or swelling that was causing her to have difficulty breathing? The same substance (diphenhydramine hydrochloride) is the active ingredient in many OTC sleeping pills because it causes drowsiness in many people. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 05:17 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote: The Fool and William Goodall react as if that person was posting from a religious extremest perspective, instead of reading what the poster actually wrote. LOL! You have got it completely backwards...some people post extremist religious nonsense and then act surprised when they get brought up on it. Not all religious people are extremists and we certainly don't all believe the same things. Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 06:43:48PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: What *really* gets me is when someone doing this projects the most *extreme* position from theirs and attacks you for having said that, when all you said was something maybe a few degrees from their position. And then they cuss you out on top of it. *That* is beyond the pale, IMO. Damn you, Julia! Always telling everyone what to do. Leave us alone! -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The evils of eating vegetables (wasRe:L3:Worldcancerdeathrateshave incr...
In a message dated 6/8/2003 3:01:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was pregnant with Sammy, I wanted to go to Tres Amigos twice a week. Now I want to go to Olive Garden twice a week. Julia Tres Amigos is a furniture store here in Tucson. What as interesting mental picture of a house filling up with superfluous furniture. I've already sat in that chair three times. I need a new one. [Olive garden does everything--pizza included--with olive oil. I don't go there.] William Taylor Tucson, home of the gonga chimichanga which I don't like. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 06:43:48PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: What *really* gets me is when someone doing this projects the most *extreme* position from theirs and attacks you for having said that, when all you said was something maybe a few degrees from their position. And then they cuss you out on top of it. *That* is beyond the pale, IMO. Damn you, Julia! Always telling everyone what to do. Leave us alone! ROTFL! Thank you, Erik! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Since I can't reply directly to Jeroens recent spamming, could someone subscribed to both lists please ask him to take me off of his spam list. TIA, Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 10:59 pm, Andrew Crystall wrote: Your doctrine of absoloute non-religion is just as much a dogma as any religion, it varies only in details. And it's also intollerant. So if my non-religion is dogmatic, intolerant, and varies only in details from religion, what does that make religion according to you? Ooh! That would make religion dogmatic and intolerant! I'm glad we finally agree on something... :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life - Terry Pratchett ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spam van Baardwijk
At 05:41 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: Since I can't reply directly to Jeroens recent spamming, could someone subscribed to both lists please ask him to take me off of his spam list. TIA, Doug Yeah, I had to turn back on my blocking filters. Can I ask, is hotmail or other internet based companies worldwide, or is there a hotmail.nl? 99% it doesn't matter, but wondering if we had any new subscribers who 'surprise' are lurking. Just for fun there were a few times I was thinking as signing on as someone else from Miami, or the midwest. But the way I am, I'd get into an argument with myself. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 01:45:14AM +0100, William T Goodall wrote: So if my non-religion is dogmatic, intolerant, and varies only in details from religion, what does that make religion according to you? Ooh! That would make religion dogmatic and intolerant! I'm glad we finally agree on something... :) My karma ran over my dogma. I like it better when your karma runs over someone else's dogma. My karma ran over your dogma. :) Juli ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 02:05 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? Just because it's not. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spam van Baardwijk
At 09:10 PM 6/8/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 05:41 PM 6/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: Since I can't reply directly to Jeroens recent spamming, could someone subscribed to both lists please ask him to take me off of his spam list. TIA, Doug Yeah, I had to turn back on my blocking filters. Can I ask, is hotmail or other internet based companies worldwide, or is there a hotmail.nl? 99% it doesn't matter, but wondering if we had any new subscribers who 'surprise' are lurking. Just for fun there were a few times I was thinking as signing on as someone else from Miami, or the midwest. But the way I am, I'd get into an argument with myself. What would be really embarrassing would be to lose such an argument. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spam van Baardwijk
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Spam van Baardwijk But the way I am, I'd get into an argument with myself. What would be really embarrassing would be to lose such an argument. What would be really really embarassing was starting a fist fight after losing the arguement, and then losing the fight. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spam van Baardwijk
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Spam van Baardwijk But the way I am, I'd get into an argument with myself. What would be really embarrassing would be to lose such an argument. What would be really really embarassing was starting a fist fight after losing the arguement, and then losing the fight. I'm of the opinion that it would be just as embarrassing to win. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:29 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:05 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? Just because it's not. One of us is missing the point, and it isn't me :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[link] 'Poindexter's nutty scheme'
Interesting in itself, and there's a Brin reference: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-1013033.html Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spam van Baardwijk
In a message dated 6/8/2003 6:42:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the way I am, I'd get into an argument with myself. What would be really embarrassing would be to lose such an argument. What would be really really embarassing was starting a fist fight after losing the arguement, and then losing the fight. The cops then break up the fight. and you're hauled off to jail.. ..but you have to spend the night because you were only allowed one phone call. Now that would be really embarrassing..to at least one of you. William Taylor The pathetic peripatetic paramedic rhetoric abandoned all hope for normalization. quietly killfiled. Again. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[Janelle]Re: Plonkworthy?
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Plonkworthy? On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:29 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:05 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? Just because it's not. One of us is missing the point, and it isn't me :) This is just the type of silly crap that didn't happen when Janelle was around. At least not for very long. There was something about her that made people behave with intelligence, as if they were proud to stand up and speak before the group. That is probably why over *then*.Jeroen is and will always be a member of the list. He did things quite differently over *then*. He did start another list over *then*, but strictly as an always on topic forum for Killer Bs book discussion, not because of onlist dissension. And his rivalry with JDG was friendly and respectful. The truth is, *I* am the one who was put on moderation, by Janelle. And I honestly deserved it. But that's another story. xponent Forked Time Maru rob (sort of) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On 9 Jun 2003 at 1:45, William T Goodall wrote: On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 10:59 pm, Andrew Crystall wrote: Your doctrine of absoloute non-religion is just as much a dogma as any religion, it varies only in details. And it's also intollerant. So if my non-religion is dogmatic, intolerant, and varies only in details from religion, what does that make religion according to you? Ooh! That would make religion dogmatic and intolerant! I'm glad we finally agree on something... :) Some religion is intollerant. Some isn't. I am Masorti not Ortherdox Jewish anymore because of that. Some religion is dogmatic...the whole POINT of the Masorti movement is to think about our lives. You are dogmatic, intollerant and given the way you argue seem to have a sub-normal IQ. You repeat the same things over and over. Which is also another trick which Jeroen used. Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On 9 Jun 2003 at 3:19, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:29 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:05 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? Just because it's not. One of us is missing the point, and it isn't me :) No, you never had the point. As you and your religion of intollerance are demonstrating. Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 03:58:18AM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: ...the whole POINT of the Masorti movement is to think about our lives. Is it working? -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:29 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:05 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? Just because it's not. One of us is missing the point, and it isn't me :) I disagree. That might be true of dogmatic religions that require you to have specific beliefs, but there are religions that are not dogmatic, religions based upon common belief, not required dogmatic belief. A couple examples: Hicksite Quaker and Wicca. I can't believe in any religion that requires that you believe what they say blindly without questioning. Both in Hicksite Quakerism and Wicca, participants in the religion are encouraged to form their own individual beliefs. Some other religions do likewise. Religions that say you must hold specific beliefs to be a good person is extremism. People who choose their religion because it is what they believe morally, philosophicaly, etc., is not extremism. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons. - Douglas Adams ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
On 8 Jun 2003 at 23:16, Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 03:58:18AM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: ...the whole POINT of the Masorti movement is to think about our lives. Is it working? It appears so to me, but then I'm hardly an uninterested observer. :) How do you define working anyway? Critically thinking about what I do every day, certainly. Making a deacent living off what I do? Not yet. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 03:19 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:29 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:05 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 01:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:34 AM 6/9/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 12:45 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: Religion is extremist by nature. No, it's not. What makes you think that? Because it's not. And what makes you think that it's not? Just because it's not. One of us is missing the point, and it isn't me :) What makes you think it isn't? -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 11:16 PM 6/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 03:58:18AM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: ...the whole POINT of the Masorti movement is to think about our lives. Is it working? Erik Reuter I think about having a Maserati in my life. It hasn't worked yet. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 09:45 PM 6/8/03 -0600, Michael Harney wrote: I disagree. That might be true of dogmatic religions that require you to have specific beliefs, but there are religions that are not dogmatic, religions based upon common belief, not required dogmatic belief. A couple examples: Hicksite Quaker and Wicca. I can't believe in any religion that requires that you believe what they say blindly without questioning. Both in Hicksite Quakerism and Wicca, participants in the religion are encouraged to form their own individual beliefs. Some other religions do likewise. Religions that say you must hold specific beliefs to be a good person is extremism. People who choose their religion because it is what they believe morally, philosophicaly, etc., is not extremism. How about cases in which a religion which has such specific beliefs (e.g., about the nature of God, man's relationship with God, how men should behave toward their fellow man, etc.), and a person discovers that those beliefs match (or at least largely match) what s/he has come to believe in his/her own? -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Plonkworthy?
At 11:56 PM 6/8/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 11:16 PM 6/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 03:58:18AM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: ...the whole POINT of the Masorti movement is to think about our lives. Is it working? Erik Reuter I think about having a Maserati in my life. It hasn't worked yet. That may not be exactly what they mean . . . ;-) -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
