RE: Changing Server Settings (was RE: [Brin-l] Brin: Forwardedposting)

2002-09-18 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:33 18-09-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: As I said a few days ago, I would put the old content back on-line and adjust my .sig accordingly as soon as certain conditions had been met. They seem to be pretty much met by now*, so the old content is back on-line now (with some changes due to

RE: [Brin-l] Scouted: Angry Young Men Put Hearts at Risk

2002-09-20 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:03 19-09-2002 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: Here is a 46-question test on anger, aggression and cynicism: http://www.alzwell.com/AngerKills.html Cynicism 6, Anger 5, Aggression 6. Here is a 10-question test: http://www.lifelonghealth.org/mhc_home/hcmind/hc_anger1.htm 16 out of 40

Re: [Brin-l] rapturism

2002-09-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:29 21-09-2002 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: Jeroen You ain't much if you ain't Dutch van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com I for one thank you very much for

Re: [Brin-l] Attack Iraq, Alone if We Must

2002-09-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:58 20-09-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Well, I haven't exactly been dictated to. I, after all, ignored the advice of my parents and decided to continue serving my country. So, have you signed up for military service yet? I mean, you want to serve your country, and are

Re: Housing Out of Reach

2002-09-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:19 22-09-2002 -0500, The Fool wrote: All of this logic I expect from a right wing. It's the job of the rich to make themselves richer at the expense of the poor. Right wing politicians have always consistently done this. Well, at least they deserve credit for being consistent. :-)

RE: This is for real: American President

2002-09-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 06:07 23-09-2002 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: We will be making available to every American who is qualified, by virtue of the Constitution, the opportunity to run for president. Which is kind of ironic, as I think Rupert himself fails to qualify. There were enough issues when an Australian

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-09-24 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:24 24-09-2002 -0500, The Fool wrote: There are something like ~50,000 scientists in the entire muslim world (an agregate total comprising the total of all scientists from the majority of islamic states). How many are there in the U.S.? Or Europe? I have a source for this

Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer

2002-09-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:36 26-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Thanks, found it. Ah. Much better. Did you look in behind the radiator? Tom's favourite place to hide things Radiator? I haven't lived in a place with a radiator since I was 8 years old. I have a friend who doesn't ever remember

Re: Extremely bad smells

2002-09-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:40 26-09-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Skunk bothers me mainly for its strength, so I'll go along with that. But, I'd also rank pig scat right up there too. Maybe a dog that rolled in that and then chased a skunk would be the worst. :-) Well, so much for the attempt to attract new

RE: Tequila Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-09-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:06 26-09-2002 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: My cat's name is cat. His breath smells like cat food. Better his breath than yours... :-) Jeroen Silly Mode van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website:

Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch Firefly?

2002-09-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:31 27-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: So, if I'm going to write a 1-line reply, all I have to do is create a disclaimer admitting to the fact, and that has me covered? :) Technically speaking -- yes. Of course, we might then scold you for wasting bandwidth... :-) Jeroen Life

Access To On-line NY Times Articles

2002-09-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
I know some people object to having to register in order to read on-line NY Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a registration for all of us. Member ID = brinlist Password = brinlist Jeroen Service with a smile van Baardwijk

Re: Access To On-line NY Times Articles

2002-09-28 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:44 27-09-2002 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I know some people object to having to register in order to read on-line NY Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a registration for all of us. Member ID = brinlist Password = brinlist :-)) I like to register

Brin-L.com: David Brin Section Added

2002-09-28 Thread J. van Baardwijk
I just put the David Brin Section back on-line at www.brin-l.com. The section contains a biography, a bibliography, an incomplete collection of DB's essays and articles, and an overview of His scheduled appearances (aka Brin Sightings). The section can be reached by clicking the David Brin

RE: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch Firefly?

2002-09-28 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:40 27-09-2002 -0500, Marvin Long wrote: To plagiarize my favorite haggis commercial: You're a wicked, wicked man! I wish I got haggis commercials where I live. If you like haggis, then this is the place to be:

Re: 33lb's of uranium

2002-09-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:13 28-09-2002 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: (it seems a lot of people on this list have direct experience with pints)? Only with pints of Guinness. :-) Jeroen Give me Guinness or give me death van Baardwijk __

Re: 33lb's of uranium

2002-09-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:21 28-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: who's wondering if Jeroen or Sonja will correctly identify the brand of baby bottle she was using when she was using baby bottles Avent? Jeroen I'm hungry! Feed me! van Baardwijk

Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must

2002-09-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:26 28-09-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: For example, there use to be a lot of employment loyalty. Companies would keep productive employees if the company was profitable. Now, a profitable company lays people off to become more profitable. And not only in US society... :-( I tend to be

Re: Playing Politics

2002-09-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:08 28-09-2002 -0400, Matthew Bos wrote: Why did that 2002 US Senate - on the one year anniversary of 9/11 - with and forethought, deliberately weaken the powers of the president in time of war? Maybe because the Senate realises that GWB is such a warmonger that he cannot be trusted with

Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions

2002-10-01 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:04 01-10-2002 +0200, Sonja van Baardwijk wrote: Actually it is not just one age that turns you from totally sheltered into out on your own from one day to the other, it is more a multistep thing. F.i. at 12 you no longer are considered to be a child but become a youth, already legally you

Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution

2002-10-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:01 01-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Can we please keep the language appropriate for a family list? No. I think people should tolerate whatever the fuck people want to write. Ah, the mature response. Guaranteed to get peope to see your point of view every time! :) It

E-mail Mystery

2002-10-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
Strange things are happening in e-mail land... One of the e-mail aliases in use with the Brin-L.com domain is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which forwards to my home account). I recently subscribed that address to Brin-L, but nothing came through. I tested the address by sending a message from my home

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:30 02-10-2002 -0500, The Fool wrote: I've had upwards of 100 browser sessions open at the same time. Out of curiosity, what kind of activity could possibly require you to have 100+ browser sessions open simultaneously? Jeroen Cybersurfer van Baardwijk

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:40 02-10-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: Since both the Miriam Webster and American Heritage dictionaries are accepted as one of the authoritative sources for spelling and definitions of English, your definition of antisemitism as listed in your message (quoted above) is incorrect. In

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:36 03-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Let me get this straight. English is a second language for you and you are claiming that the definitive source of English (OED) is wrong and you are right in defining an English word? I am applying this horrible little thing called logic here. If X

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:30 03-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: The authority on this is called plain and simple logic. If X equals Y, then -X equals -Y. If X equals Y, then -X does not equal -0.5Y. So, anti-matter has negative mass? Out of curiosity, have you ever taken a course in logic? I don't think

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:56 03-10-2002 -0500, Adam Lipscomb wrote: Um, no. You appear hell-bent upon reserving for yourself the right to define words the way you *want* to define them. Which, of course, cannot be said about the pro-Israel crowd... I consider this reason enough to determine that you are not

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:30 03-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: Your logic is flawed. There is no language (spoken language) on earth that conforms to mathematical precision. Well, then just in case I misinterpret the meaning of the word: Next time someone calls me anti-American (bound to happen again

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 01:30 04-10-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: :-) What was it you had posted to the list incessantly a few months ago? I'm still waiting for Jeroen to post proof and documentation to these accusations? You'd think I'd remember it better from having seen it a few hundred times. :-) Since you

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:24 03-10-2002 -0500, The Fool, once again true to his name, wrote: So now you are redfining the english language, even after someone has posted, the one and only definitive word meaning and usage from the unabridged Oxford English Dictionary. This is...Pathetic. Are you going to deny the

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 07:23 04-10-2002 -0500, Adam Lipscomb wrote: Um, no. You appear hell-bent upon reserving for yourself the right to define words the way you *want* to define them. Which, of course, cannot be said about the pro-Israel crowd... Ahh, so it's not *just* the Israelis, but all their

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:58 04-10-2002 -0500, Marvin Long wrote: Omnia wankerae delenda est? Care to translate that into English? Jeroen Likud Delenda Est van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website:

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:13 04-10-2002 -0700, Matt Grimaldi wrote: But your case is flawed as well, Jeroen. You assume that the anti in anti-semite means the opposite of or the negative form of, when in reality it means denial of or enemy of or someone who is against You have not been paying attention then. I

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World (NOW WITH APOLOGY! BUY NOW!)

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:46 04-10-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: you have apparently decided to use your need to study for an important exam as a pretext for halting your participation in this discussion of of the meaning and origins of the term anti-Semite, That part of your sentence is true... with the

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:45 04-10-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: And if you remember that, then you will also remember that since that time, the policy of this list is that nobody is required to back any claims with any proof. Now, I may have been deleting e-mails en masse, but for the record, to my knowledge

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World (NOW WITH APOLOGY! BUY NOW!)

2002-10-04 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:08 04-10-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: I'm not asking for an L3 post - just a simple explanation as to why you insist your position is the correct one. I have already explained that a few times now. I see no reason to keep repeating myself. Jeroen And now, off to bed van Baardwijk

Re: Teaching a pig to sing (was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World)

2002-10-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:25 04-10-2002 -0500, Adam Lipscomb wrote: I'm not asking for an L3 post - just a simple explanation as to why you insist your position is the correct one. I have already explained that a few times now. I see no reason to keep repeating myself. And the reasoning you give is

Re: Definitiions (was Intellectual output from the Arab World)

2002-10-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:10 05-10-2002 -0500, The Fool foolishly blated: I am not at all confused. Rather, it is quite clear to me that many people attribute a certain meaning to the word anti-Semite that differs from what I believe to be its meaning. This is the same kind of logic, quacks, holocaust

Re: Definitiions (was Intellectual output from the Arab World)

2002-10-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:31 05-10-2002 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote about me: Not ONCE has he ever admitted to being wrong about ANYTHING. Do you know what the problem is with that blanket statement? I need to find only *one* message in which I admit to being wrong, in order to prove your statement false. And

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 07:50 06-10-2002 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote: America in general is, after all, very pro-Israel, has a large Jewish community, and is in fact the only friend Israel has in the world. I understand that you don't watch Russian TV. G You understand correctly. We do not get Russian TV here.

Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World

2002-10-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:01 06-10-2002 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote: It's Jeroen displays opinions that are seemingly prejudiced against Israel usually that is. That is still not really correct, but at least it is a little bit less wrong that Jeroen displays opinions that are seemingly prejudiced against Jews.

Re: Definitiions (was Intellectual output from the Arab World)

2002-10-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:57 06-10-2002 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: And guess what -- I found that message... GRIN Congratulations! Bit like finding the needle in the haystack??? BIG GRIN Then it was either a small haystack or a big needle. It only took me three minutes to find it. GRIN To make it

Re: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack

2002-10-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 13:33 06-10-2002 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: Surely you can see the difference between a fascist dictator and a and a democractically elected government? Why should the former be protected? Especially when the former has repeatedly disobeyed instructions of the United Nations? Well, other

This Message Is For Male Brinellers Only

2002-10-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
ATTENTION: This message is for MALE Brinellers only. All FEMALE members should close this message IMMEDIATELY!!! Housewife seeking appreciation quits housework. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/10/05/wife.strike.ap/index.html Guys, if our female significant others find out about

A Country In Mourning

2002-10-06 Thread J. van Baardwijk
AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands (Reuters) -- Prince Claus of the Netherlands, the husband of Queen Beatrix, died on Sunday, the government information service said. http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/06/netherlands.prince/index.html Jeroen no wisecrack tagline tonight van Baardwijk

RE: This Message Is For Male Brinellers Only

2002-10-07 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:18 06-10-2002 -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote: Guys, if our female significant others find out about this, we are in dp trouble... Sometimes I wonder about you, Jeroen. Your wife is the only SO on here that I know of, so aren't you the only one who get screwed by this? ;) Not really --

Re: Hey, can we can this?

2002-10-07 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:39 06-10-2002 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: But I do believe my conversation with Jeroen is indicative of a larger problem that I think should be addressed. We've had many people here, About three or four, IIRC. Hardly many. myself included, who have complained that when Jeroen argues a

RE: Hey, can we can this?

2002-10-07 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:58 06-10-2002 -0400, Joe Hale wrote: Why can't you just kick Jeroen out of the group? Because that is not the way we handle differences here. If we start removing people because they hold a minority viewpoint, sooner or later we are going to run out of members. GRIN Jeroen Here to

Re: This Message Is For Male Brinellers Only

2002-10-07 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:49 07-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Now, there are times when everything else is *not* being equal, and I have to unload and load the dishwasher 3 or 4 times in a row before Dan does both tasks, and then he'll either crow about it or complain when I don't notice. :) Hey, us men

Re: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack

2002-10-07 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:58 07-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: The way it was explained to me how surnames go in India (and you can correct me if I'm wrong) is that your surname is your father's given name. In the US, your surname is your father's surname. Until recently, in The Netherlands a child would

Re: Surnames [was: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraq of counterattack]

2002-10-07 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:09 07-10-2002 -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote: If I were the Evil Overlord of the world, I would force everybody to change the surnames to a logical system: ... given name(s) mt-DNA surname(s) [honorific surname] chromosome Y's surname(s) Nah. When I become Overlord of the world, I will

Re: Surnames

2002-10-08 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:43 07-10-2002 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Nah. When I become Overlord of the world, I will introduce a much more efficient system. Since we are all registered as a number in various databases anyway, everyone's surname will be a number as well (but, being a Benign Overlord, I will

Changes At The Top -- October 7, 2002

2002-10-08 Thread J. van Baardwijk
Just in case anyone is interested: there have been several changes in the Top-10 of the Alpha-Mail Statistics since the last time I posted it. Julia Leading Lady Thompson has more than doubled the gap between herself and John Republican-and-proud-of-it Giorgis (from 215 to 491 posts) and in

Re: Changes At The Top -- October 7, 2002

2002-10-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:55 08-10-2002 -0700, Matt Grimaldi wrote: (snip top 10 list) Is there a way to get a listing of the unknown addresses? Yes. It may be obtained through exercising patience. As more and more of the contents of the Archive gets included in the List Statistics, the number of posts from the

RE: Baby's surname Re: U.S. drops leaflets warning Iraqofcountera ttack

2002-10-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:11 09-10-2002 -0500, John Horn wrote: You would be amazed how many people can mishear a simple name like Horn. I get Horan, Doran, Warren, Smith... (OK, maybe not that last one...) Maybe it will help if you inform them that Horn is spelled the same way as horny but without the y. GRIN

Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution

2002-10-13 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:33 11-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: It might even get you killfiled.. and then what is your point of view worth? Killfiling someone will not stop that person from sharing his points of view. The only one who loses here is the person who does the killfiling, because s/he will

Re: brin: education

2002-10-13 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:11 13-10-2002 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: But what truly lawful grounds do we have for messing with Iraq? To be lawful any action would have to be sanctioned by some official body such as the UN or NATO. Iraq's government has broken numerous treaty provisions and defied UN

Reading on a roll: Toilet paper novels

2002-10-13 Thread J. van Baardwijk
FRANKFURT, Germany (Reuters) -- Germans who like to read on the toilet no longer need to take newspapers in with them, but can instead turn to novels and poems printed onto toilet paper, a German publisher says. http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/10/offbeat.tp.reading.reut/index.html I

Official! World's funniest joke

2002-10-13 Thread J. van Baardwijk
LONDON, England -- The world's funniest joke has been revealed after a year-long search by scientists. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/03/joke.funniest/index.html Related links: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/10/03/joke.sampler/index.html (Top jokes in several countries.)

Re: 4 in 10 Americans want to annex Canada

2002-10-15 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:00 14-10-2002 -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote: Should Canada become the 51st American state? Nah, Canada will never become an American state. Now, the various regions of the US becoming Canadian provinces, that is a different story... :-) Never happen. There aren't enough polite

Re: Statistics Class and the Washington Sniper

2002-10-15 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:48 15-10-2002 +0200, I politely asked JDG: John, access to files in the Brin-L/Files section at Yahoo!Groups requires people to first join Brin-L through Yahoo!Groups. Not everyone may want to do that, so next time you want to share a file, could you please put it up in a place that

Re: Statistics Class and the Washington Sniper

2002-10-16 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:07 16-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: 2) Since you're so concerned about everyone being able to access stuff, when people post links to information that isn't accessible to all, if it's owned by the listmember who posted the link, why don't you ask permission to mirror the info on

Re: The Multiverse Database

2002-10-16 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:44 16-10-2002 -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I also need some population data for these planets. H... The problem is, we don't have them. Maybe we can estimate, but how accurate do you want this estimation? An error of 1 magnitude is acceptable? :-) Maybe our good Doctor will get

Re: Yahoo!, was Statistics Class and the Washington Sniper

2002-10-16 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:58 16-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote about the Digest: mccmedia sends it out when a threshold size has been reached, which leads to more than 25 messages, but generally fewer than 50. Maybe always fewer than 50.) There must be another variable at work with the Digests. I receive the

Re: A super-sized bird in Alaska

2002-10-16 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:07 16-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: OK, dumb question here. There have been several sightings; everyone in that corner of the world must know about Bigbird by now. So why are there no PICTURES? I would expect that by after the first one or two sightings, nobody would now

Re: The UN

2002-10-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:24 22-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Where in the UN charter does it say that a country must gain permission before defending itself? A country's self-defense is an internal matter, not an UN matter. However, invading an other country is an act of aggression, not self-defense. Your

Re: Shooting Gallery

2002-10-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:53 22-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: What if the SOB is caught in Maryland by an armed civilian of Virginia that can only legally carry a firearm in his own state? A mild thought to all of this mess. This is the perfect example of why we require trial-by-jury in this country. Why?

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:21 22-10-2002 -0700, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Have you noticed that nobody (except me and DB) have criticised JDG for his behaviour? Why do you think that is? First off, that implies that nobody's said anything about this thread, which is very untrue. That is not what it is saying (or

Re: test

2002-10-23 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:49 22-10-2002 -0700, Debbi Harrell wrote: I've sent 2 messages (re: the UN) in the past 15 minutes, but they haven't made it - at least to my computer. I get the impression that there is something wrong with either Nick's server or with his Internet connection. I have noticed in the

Re: brin: war

2002-10-18 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:28 17-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Meanwhile, the EU is completely mistrusted by the European citizenry, As a citizen of the European Union, I can say that this claim is an exaggeration. It is not the EU we distrust, it is only the *politicians* we distrust, especially since we

RE: brin: war

2002-10-18 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:44 17-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: The question Dr. Brin, is not how sure are we that Hussein has a nuclear weapons program, the question is How sure are you that he does not? You can not justify an attack against any country with that kind of reasoning, which is why this kind of

Re: brin: traffic cameras

2002-10-18 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:37 17-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Indeed, I got hit for doing 46 mph in a 30 mph zone that only had one fairly obscured speed limit sign. Out of curiosity, how high was the fine? In The Netherlands, this particular violation would set you back EUR 92 (approx. USD 91). I was

Re: Evolution vs. Creation - aka. Mass Stupidity Hits Ohio

2002-10-18 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 01:35 18-10-2002 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: For those not familiar, the Creationist crowd is trying to have a law passed so that Ohio schools will have to teach Creation as an alternative to Evolution. I am ashamed that this is being seriously considered here :-( Which Creationism? I

Re: brin: war

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
Once again, taking things back on-line, where it belongs. At 14:59 18-10-2002 -0700, John Giorgis wrote: This looks like a prime example of deliberately providing misinformation in an attempt to validate your point. First, it is for the *entire* EU, not the EMU (Economic and Monetary Union)

Re: Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:32 18-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: An Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie (AFDB) is a type of headwear that can shield your brain from most electromagnetic psychotronic mind control carriers. The newer members of Brin-L may have no idea what I am talking about, but... ...will an

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:01 19-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Once again, taking things back on-line, where it belongs. I'd like to ask a question about general rules of politeness. From what I've seen in a number of places, people are suppose to publically divulge the contents of private emails only with

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:42 19-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I think it's rather rude to drag an off-list exchange onto a list without the permission of all parties involved. It is my belief that discussions taken off-list should be kept off-list until such time as all parties involved agree it should go

Re: brin: war

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 11:46 19-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: So, let's see some proof, or be a man about it and admit that your statement is false. So Jeroen, does insulting the manhood of someone you are asking questions to make that person more likely or less likely to answer your questions? Well,

Re: brin: war

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 11:37 19-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Anyhow, if you knew the first thing about the United Nations, you would know that the UN Charter assigns responsibility for peace and security matters to the UN Security Council.Thus, since the Security Council is a completely discredited body

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-19 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 11:35 19-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: It is my belief that discussions taken off-list should be kept off-list until such time as all parties involved agree it should go back on-list. Even if the discussion is technically not taken off-list, but one poster replies off-list

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-20 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:22 21-10-2002 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: Have you noticed that nobody (except me and DB) have criticised JDG for his behaviour? Why do you think that is? Because people here see nothing wrong with his behaviour, or because they know that criticising him is useless since hell will freeze

RE: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:10 21-10-2002 +0530, Ritu Ko wrote: So, why do I still believe we *can* move that mountain? Must be because of my eternal optimism. Optimism is well and good, but the mountain has to *want* to move before it can be moved. I am an optimist myself, but I am beginning to realise that yours

Re: Minutiae (was Re: br!n: war)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 01:11 21-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Come on, John! If you have the courage to go on record as saying that the EU is completely mistrusted by the European citizenry, you should also have the courage to back that claim. Put up or retract. Hey Nick, do I get a point in the predictions

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:53 20-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which principle of

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:35 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: No, but given his behaviour it would not be a bad idea for him to start looking for such advice. Sigh, let me put this bluntly, since you tend to ignore things that are subtle. I realize that this is a YMMV issue, but personally, I will rejoice

Re: the UN

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 13:33 21-10-2002 -0700, John Giorgis wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which principle of

re: Question for everyone

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:07 21-10-2002 -0700, Adam Lipscomb wrote: What makes you think John will change his behavior? There is absolutely NOTHING that makes me think he will change his behaviour (at least, not change it in a *positive* way). As I have said before, hell will freeze over before *that* will

Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which

Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle East into another war. Which

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-21 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:21 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Jeroen Have it on my desk by 08:00 tomorrow van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com Well, I'll go in where wiser folks fear

Re: The UN

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:59 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Do you believe that the principle of one country, one vote is a democratic principle? Yes. Of course, ideally any UN decision would be made by letting every citizen of every member country vote on the issue (using the one man, one vote

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:06 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Out of curiosity, why do you keep on twisting meanings, even when you don't have to? I do not see this as twisting meanings. Apparently I use a different definition of democracy than you do. But then, the definition the majority decides is the

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:46 21-10-2002 -0500, Adam Lipscomb wrote: There's a colloquialism that comes to mind: Insanity: Doing the exact same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Great -- that means that insanity is what pays the bills and puts food on my table. Troubleshooting is part

Re: The UN

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:27 21-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: I have always been opposed to veto power for *any* country because it gets in the way of the democratic process, so the answers to the above questions are no and no. So, in other words, the UNSC is by no means a paragon of the democratic principle.

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:31 21-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Actually, the majority does not decide in the UNSC. First, decisions require a minimum of 9 out of 15 members. Secondly, many decisions with the support of 14-1 are not taken by the UNSC. Worse yet, several decisions have been made by just one

Re: Jeroen Re: the UN

2002-10-22 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:33 21-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: Haven't you previously argued that I *never* understand what you mean? Maybe, maybe not. Can you quote a post in which I said that? Because I really do not have the time to go through some 3,300 posts to see whether or not I said that. Jeroen

Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff

2002-10-24 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:21 23-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: The Franco-Russian obstructionism cannot be understood as a response to the Bush administration's hawkishness on Iraq, its doctrine of preemption or its drift toward unilateralism. Paris and Moscow have been championing the cause of Saddam Hussein

Re: What's Wrong Here? Re: The Future of the World Re: br*n: war

2002-10-24 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:46 23-10-2002 -0400, John Giorgis wrote: You mean it is completely amazing to hope that Democracy and Free Markets might triumph over Totalitarianism, Autoritarianism, Repression, and Fanatacism?? This is an opinion that I am to be ridiculed for? What's going on here? You

Re: The UN

2002-10-24 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:19 23-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: A country's self-defense is an internal matter, not an UN matter. However, invading an other country is an act of aggression, not self-defense. So, all wars of self defense must stop at the border? It is wrong to defeat a country that attacks?

Re: Shooting Gallery

2002-10-24 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:00 23-10-2002 -0500, Steve Sloan wrote: Why? I see nothing in that scenario that even remotely suggests that trial by jury is required. For both trials (one for the Virginian civilian, one for the caught suspect of the sniper shootings, you only need a prosecutor, a lawyer to defend

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