Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-25 Thread William T Goodall
On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 03:32 am, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold In a message dated 9/24/03 10:04:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-25 Thread Julia Thompson
William T Goodall wrote: On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 03:32 am, Dan Minette wrote: Tobit, one of the histories. It was part of the Septuagint, and was considered part of the cannon at the time of Jesus. Well, not by the Sagacees (sp) Or, Macabees would be another history that

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: The term observant Jews use is Tanakh, which is an acronym of Torah, Nevi'im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (writings). And they were all written in Hebrew before being translated into Greek and then back into Hebrew. OK, lets look at Tobit, for example. What evidence exists

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread TomFODW
It makes sense: the Old Testiment was anti-Semetic. If you want to make a movie about, say, the latter days of the Northern Kingdom, and if you want to base it in the Bible, it will be a _very_ anti-semetic movie, showing israelites with all kinds of sins. How is the Old Testament (a term

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread The Fool
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It makes sense: the Old Testiment was anti-Semetic. If you want to make a movie about, say, the latter days of the Northern Kingdom, and if you want to base it in the Bible, it will be a _very_ anti-semetic movie, showing israelites with all kinds of sins.

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Tom Beck wrote: It makes sense: the Old Testiment was anti-Semetic. If you want to make a movie about, say, the latter days of the Northern Kingdom, and if you want to base it in the Bible, it will be a _very_ anti-semetic movie, showing israelites with all kinds of sins. How is the Old

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:26 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold How is the Old Testament (a term Jews never use) anti-Semitic? I realize that the Old Testament is a Christian term

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread TomFODW
I realize that the Old Testament is a Christian term, and that the Hebrew Scriptures are the more common used term when these scriptures are discussed in forums that include people of many beliefs.  However, the professor who taught the Persian and Hellenistic Judaism seminar I took pointed

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread TomFODW
Turn to any random passage and it will very likely be 'you people are evil and deserve to be killed' paraphrased. For one thing, those are translations. And not necessarily good ones. (The King James Bible may be beautiful English, but it is not a very good translation of the Hebrew Bible.)

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread Dan Minette
The term observant Jews use is Tanakh, which is an acronym of Torah, Nevi'im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (writings). And they were all written in Hebrew before being translated into Greek and then back into Hebrew. OK, lets look at Tobit, for example. What evidence exists that it was first written

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 9/24/03 10:04:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, lets look at Tobit, for example.  What evidence exists that it was first written in Hebrew? Sorry, at what? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold In a message dated 9/24/03 10:04:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, lets look at Tobit, for example. What evidence exists

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-24 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/03 10:04:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, lets look at Tobit, for example. What evidence exists that it was first written in Hebrew? Sorry, at what? Tobit. That doesn't fall under Old Testament, strictly speaking -- it's one of

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool quoted: I never called the movie anti-Semitic (...) Which is stupid, because the Gospels _are_ anti-Semitic, and a movie that pretends to be faithful to them [AFAIK, if Gibson wants to do it in Aramaic, he has this intention] should be anti-Semitic.It's like making a movie about

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold The Fool quoted: I never called the movie anti-Semitic (...) Which is stupid, because

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool quoted: I never called the movie anti-Semitic (...) Which is stupid, because the Gospels _are_ anti-Semitic, and a movie that pretends to be faithful to them [AFAIK, if Gibson wants to do it in Aramaic, he has this intention] should

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/22/2003 9:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Fool quoted: I never called the movie anti-Semitic (...) Which is stupid, because the Gospels _are_ anti-Semitic, and a movie that pretends to be faithful to them [AFAIK, if Gibson wants to

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jan Coffey wrote: If fact I am supprised that there are not more italians complaining about Gibbsons movie. Probably because italians don't consider themselves romans - they are as roman-germanic hybrids as any other western europeans [except portuguese, that are half to 1/4 jews :-)]

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: 1) The criticism of the Jewish leaders and of the croud during the passion needs to be understood in terms of the context: Jerusalem, you killer of prophets. If this understanding is anti-Semetic, then much of the Old Testiment was anti-Semetic...which makes no sense. It

Re: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-23 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/22/2003 9:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Fool quoted: I never called the movie anti-Semitic (...) Which is stupid, because the Gospels _are_ anti-Semitic, and a movie that pretends to be faithful to them [AFAIK, if Gibson wants to

The Greatest Story Ever Sold

2003-09-22 Thread The Fool
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/21/arts/21RICH.html?ex=1064721600en=7126a 37552fcf278ei=5062 FRANK RICH The Greatest Story Ever Sold Then Gibson expressed his feelings about Rich. I want to kill him, he said. I want his intestines on a stick. . . . I want to kill his dog. — The New Yorker, Sept