Re: WMD

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
Tom, not to be rude, but are you even capable of discussing these things, or do you just start frothing at the mouth as soon as someone mentions George Bush? I mean, you seem like a bright and reasonable guy - right up until someone mentions a Republican and then I swear to God someone else

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
Why is it so hard to see there's a difference there? And how come the only people in the world outside of Israel who care about the difference live in the United States, and most of them are conservatives? Well, most American Jews care quite a lot about Israel, and most of us are not

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: OK, so I guess we can make the people of Iraq a deal - we can find their lost stuff, plus, just as an extra special bonus, we'll bury their children alive in mass graves. Do you think they'd take that deal? Because by God you talk like you think they would. Jeeze,

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:09 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! Jon Gabriel wrote: Oh, and Nick (or Julia) would you mind renewing the ban on Señor

Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

2003-06-13 Thread Nick Arnett
Does anyone happen to know if -- and where -- it is against the law to urge another person to commit suicide? Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:26 PM 6/12/2003 +0100 Richard Baker wrote: So if one wished to create a science-fictional situation with the US in the position of Palestine, how would one do so? Maybe a bunch of Liberians started moving back to Delaware, and wanted to secede and form a separate State of Leni Lenape?

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Rich, it's really very simple. If the Palestinians stopped fighting, and credibly demonstrated that they were willing to accept the existence of Israel, they'd get a state today. Would the Israelis be willing to give up all of their West Bank settlements at this point?

Re: Where to Cut Defense Spending

2003-06-13 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:19 PM 5/5/2003 -0400 Erik Reuter wrote: Of course, that can go both ways. I have read convincing arguments that the strongest economy is what wins the war in the long term (the cold war being the most recent example, but they traced it back too, I wish I could remember where I read it now)

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:32 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? --- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, choose some other state. I was just trying to

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread listmail
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:58:45 +0100, Richard Baker wrote: Dan said: How about, over a period of years, the US is inundated by foreigners who look like they will drastically and permanently change the ethnic makeup of the US? No sci-fi needed. :-) Yes, but that's not really the same situation, is

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:15 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? --- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but that's not really the same situation, is it?

Re: Are you a model citizen?

2003-06-13 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 07:21 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, you wrote: --- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Great idea! I've got a Secret Volcano Lair, can you bring the Plutonium and the Deadly Bikini-clad Vixens? Just so I know when I parachute/jet-ski/scuba-dive into the cavern under

Re: Blogging

2003-06-13 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 05:29 PM 6/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hi folks. Well, I've joined the blogosphere, along with several others of us. If any of y'all sends me a link to theirs, btw, I'd be happy to link to yours, although I'm quite certain that all of you have more readers than I do. Anyways, mine is at

RE: ADMIN: Jeroen (was RE: STOPYOURCYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

2003-06-13 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Reuter Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:01 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: ADMIN: Jeroen (was RE: STOP YOURCYBER-TERRORISM!!) On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 05:04:32PM -0700, Nick

Re: WMD

2003-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And God forbid that anyone should ever suggest that Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney/etc. are anything less than the very living incarnations of Jesus Christ himself... Tom Beck Tom, not to be rude, but are you even capable of discussing these things,

general rambling

2003-06-13 Thread Kevin Tarr
or bad things happening to good people. Last week the internet radio site I listen to was blocked at work. I know we can debate whether I have ANY reason or right for listening to streaming audio, but I was very bummed. I listen to drown out my co-workers. My workspace is on a quiet floor and

Re: English language (was: China RFID tracking people)

2003-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Wow, this message is almost a week old, but I just found it. Been a bit busy... Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harlem wrote: ^^ Never been there. Is this a word-play I'm just too dense to figure out? I have no idea how that happened -

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jan Coffey wrote: *sigh* I know I must have made some syntactic mistake their myself but, hay, I'm just as human as Erik. Erik's Human? Huh. Doug 8^) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

[L3] Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-13 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Esentialy we seem to agree on the facts and how things have played out. What we disagree on was the appropriatness of the actions that were taken concerning spin. As such I would like to continto focus more closely on this part, if you don't

Re: ADMIN: Jeroen (was RE: STOP YOURCYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

2003-06-13 Thread Doug Pensinger
What if we were to make the archive on Yahoo Groups private? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Hoon soccer FOOTBALL game

2003-06-13 Thread Medievalbk
Well, Alvin tried to have the Hoon play basketball, but too many players were grabbing another player's throat-sac instead of the rebound. But any bipedal race should be able to play soccer. For fencing, I've already figured out that the extra joint will give a greater terminal velocity to the

[L3] Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-13 Thread Deborah Harrell
I thought I sent this, but it hasn't shown up, so if this is a re-post, sorry. --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Esentialy we seem to agree on the facts and how things have played out. What we disagree on was the appropriatness of the actions that were taken concerning spin.

test

2003-06-13 Thread Deborah Harrell
Test - going through? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Emergency Alert System?

2003-06-13 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
This is a test . . . E!! This concludes this test. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
Julia said: OK, why *did* it survive? Do you know? I don't know about cystic fibrosis in detail, but it's presumably because having one copy of the gene conveys some advantage that outweighs the problems involved with having two copies. Another example is the incidence of thalassemia in

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
Jan said: Unless requested by a client or an employer, the code illustrates how the finished code works. The only problem with that is that the code can only illustrate what it actually does rather than what it should do. That's why it's so important to have comments that give the intention of

Re: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
Jon said: Rich, did he crosspost to Culture? No, not this time. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-13 Thread Ritu
Jon Gabriel wrote: My two cents: dump him in your killfile and let him yell there. You can't hear him. You can't see him. It's good for everybody! :-) Hmm, I dunno. I think there is a certain merit in letting his mails enter the inbox. The ones with the more..um..imaginative headers can

RE: Are you a model citizen?

2003-06-13 Thread Ritu
Gautam Mukunda wrote: It seems like he's getting the better of the deal. I mean, which would you rather have, a volcano lair or bikini clad vixens? A volcano lair obviously! Ritu GCU Was That A Trick Question? ___

Test

2003-06-13 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Testing ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Where to Cut Defense Spending

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:13:39AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 10:19 PM 5/5/2003 -0400 Erik Reuter wrote: Of course, that can go both ways. I have read convincing arguments that the strongest economy is what wins the war in the long term (the cold war being the most recent example, but

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, wasRe: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:00 PM 6/12/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: *sigh* I know I must have made some syntactic mistake their myself but, hay, I'm just as human as Erik. Erik's Human? Huh. Doug 8^) Let Us Oft Speak Kind Words Text: Joseph L. Townsend Music: Ebenezer

RE: test

2003-06-13 Thread Nick Arnett
Now it is... there was a corrupted Python module that screwed up administration last night. I fixed that, but apparently the list failed to restart properly afterwards. All seems well now. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From:

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Richard Baker wrote: Julia said: The thing is, Texas has more to lose by leaving the US than it has to gain, and most of us understand that. The parallel doesn't quite work. Okay, choose some other state. I was just trying to make people imagine how they might feel if a foreign Israel

Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

2003-06-13 Thread David Hobby
Does anyone happen to know if -- and where -- it is against the law to urge another person to commit suicide? Nick It's probably not a crime in the Netherlands, if that's where you are going with this. : ) ---David

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:00:27PM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Erik's Human? You haven't figured out yet who I REALLY am? -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: general rambling

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:27:17AM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: my choices are to either stick my fingers in my ears and say lalalalalalala, which would make it tough to type, or turn up the metal. You could insert earplugs, or better yet, you can buy ear-covers (sort of like you see ground

RE: Are you a model citizen?

2003-06-13 Thread Horn, John
From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Great idea! I've got a Secret Volcano Lair, can you bring the Plutonium and the Deadly Bikini-clad Vixens? Julia! Kat! Dee! Let's see who else do we have... Deborah! Oh man, I know I'm missing someone... Oh yeah, Ritu! and Ticia! Too

Re: WHO THE F*CK...

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHO THE FUCK... Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:13:31 +0100 Jon said: Rich, did he crosspost to Culture? No, not this time. Rich Small blessings, at least.

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) (fwd)

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
Rich, You didn't include complete headers. Can you either post the complete email, with headers, or check it out carefully yourself to see if it is genuine or forged? Also, I don't understand why they didn't send a similar reply to me or Nick. On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:12:48AM +0100, Richard

Re: Test Results

2003-06-13 Thread Medievalbk
Read it. Read it. Read it. Sticks fingers in ears Read it. William Taylor It should be easy to figure out which one was Ronn's ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) (fwd)

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
You didn't include complete headers. Can you either post the complete email, with headers, or check it out carefully yourself to see if it is genuine or forged? Here it is (I edited out the On Friday... line from my earlier forward for the sake of neatness). Since then, I've had a brief

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
Jon said: Because a largely underdog-sympathetic media in Europe has framed this as a poor, defenseless arab people fighting against an all-powerful jewish state. In your opinion, are the European media more biased than the US media? In my opinion, the British media, at least, are

Re: WHO THE F*CK...

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:26:20AM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHO THE FUCK... Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:13:31 +0100 Jon said: Rich, did he

RE: WHO THE F*CK...

2003-06-13 Thread Horn, John
From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHO THE FUCK... Jon said: Rich, did he crosspost to Culture? No, not this time. Rich Small blessings, at least. Brin-l.com is back up, btw. Am sure it simply has a new host,

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fwd) (fwd)

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:33:08PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote: You didn't include complete headers. Can you either post the complete email, with headers, or check it out carefully yourself to see if it is genuine or forged? Here it is (I edited out the On Friday... line from my earlier

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 11:06:24AM -0500, Steve Sloan II wrote: Instead, Europe decided to pay its debt by giving the Jews somebody else's land. Steve, I was wondering if you could give a capsule summary of that transfer. I don't know much about it, but I have wondered how it occurred. Most

Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
Jan said: ...We are in complete agreement...I think. Yes, I think so too. What much of it comes down to is that code isn't primarily a method for humans to communicate with machines but rather for humans to communicate with humans: themselves, other developers working at the same time, and

Re: general rambling

2003-06-13 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:20 AM 6/13/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:27:17AM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: my choices are to either stick my fingers in my ears and say lalalalalalala, which would make it tough to type, or turn up the metal. You could insert earplugs, or better yet, you can buy

Re: Test Results

2003-06-13 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:27 AM 6/13/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it. Read it. Read it. Sticks fingers in ears Read it. William Taylor It should be easy to figure out which one was Ronn's Some list software — though it's obvious now that the software in use on this list is not

RE: WHO THE F*CK...

2003-06-13 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:43 AM 6/13/03 -0500, Horn, John wrote: From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHO THE FÜCK... Jon said: Rich, did he crosspost to Culture? No, not this time. Rich Small blessings, at least. Brin-l.com is back up,

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 11:06:24AM -0500, Steve Sloan II wrote: Instead, Europe decided to pay its

Powers of 10 - Java Applet

2003-06-13 Thread A . Freiberg
In http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ you can find a very nice demonstration of zooming from the galaxy view down to the quarks. Regards Armin Freiberg ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Hoon soccer FOOTBALL game

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
Is there a name for a shot where the ball is cradled on the ankles and both legs are lifted and snapped in a whip-like motion? Yeah: Falling On Your Ass. It's vaguely similar to the bicycle kick or overhead though. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew

Re: general rambling

2003-06-13 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... but I like hearing music I don't own. ... Try : http://www.limewire.com/ http://kazaa.com/ http://www.gnutella.com/ ...and an mp3 player. ;-) *Anyone have digital cable? The selections for me are too general. You listen to 80s music channel, you get some

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
Would the Israelis be willing to give up all of their West Bank settlements at this point? If they did, would all of the Palestinians then quit calling for the annihilation of all Jews?  Would they give up their attempts to claim Jerusalem? One thing that needs to be kept in mind is

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
Thanks, Dan. On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:19:09PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: From what I've seen from many sources, after the war was won by Israel, the Arab countries urged the Arabs in Israel to leave so that they may destroy Israel with impunity. Most left, but some stayed. The ones that

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
The same goes for Israel. Shortly after WWII, the least unfair solution probably would have been taking a good-sized chunk of land from Germany to form a Jewish homeland, while negotiating with the Middle East world to get them visitation rights to their holy sites. Instead, Europe decided

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:39:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're ignoring the Balfour Declaration and the fact that there was a nascent Israel in Palestine - 1948 didn't just happen out of thin air. You're also ignoring the fact that the UN declared a partition in 1947, but the Arabs

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 1:39:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that is a fair assessment, then I have another question. Were any (or most) of the refugees able/permitted to return to their homes a year or so later, when their fear and uncertainty had subsided? If they were not

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 1:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, or to take away their homes? The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always

Re: Powers of 10 - Java Applet

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:18:27PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ you can find a very nice demonstration of zooming from the galaxy view down to the quarks. Regards Armin Freiberg Below are the complete headers

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:06:24 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, but by

RE: WHO THE F*CK...

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: WHO THE F*CK... Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:03:21 -0500 At 09:43 AM 6/13/03 -0500, Horn, John wrote: From: Jon

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:48:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/13/03 1:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, or to take away their homes? The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right.

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:47:24PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/13/03 1:39:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that is a fair assessment, then I have another question. Were any (or most) of the refugees able/permitted to return to their homes a year or so later,

Re: general rambling

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: general rambling Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:28:33 -0400 From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... but I like hearing music I don't own. ... Try : http://www.limewire.com/

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:10:44PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/13/03 2:04:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, are you saying that the Arab states in the region were actually holding the Palestinians prisoner in the refugee camps, forcibly preventing them from

Re: Hoon soccer FOOTBALL game

2003-06-13 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/13/2003 10:28:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a name for a shot where the ball is cradled on the ankles and both legs are lifted and snapped in a whip-like motion? Yeah: Falling On Your Ass. It's vaguely similar to the

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
It's kind of late to worry about that now. I have trouble reconciling that statement with someone who has an interest in understanding history. Come one, how many subjugated peoples in the entirety of world        history got to vote on who ruled them? They had never voted to be  

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 6/13/03 2:16:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why, specifically, could they not go to Israel in, say, late 1949 or 1950? Were they forcibly prevented? By whom? By that point, I think, the Israelis wouldn't let them back (neither would the Arab countries). And before you

Re: Are you a model citizen?

2003-06-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Horn, John wrote: From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Great idea! I've got a Secret Volcano Lair, can you bring the Plutonium and the Deadly Bikini-clad Vixens? Julia! Kat! Dee! Let's see who else do we have... Deborah! Oh man, I know I'm missing someone... Oh

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, most American Jews care quite a lot about Israel, and most of us are not conservative (some of us are Conservative, but that's whole different row of pews...) Tom Beck Yeah, but if you worked out the percentages, it will still be most. I do wonder

Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

2003-06-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: Does anyone happen to know if -- and where -- it is against the law to urge another person to commit suicide? Nick Well, my mom has been out of touch with the suicide prevention group she volunteered for when she lived in New Hampshire, and isn't really up on laws, but

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the Israelis be willing to give up all of their West Bank settlements at this point? Doug If not for security concerns, yes, absolutely (I think). There's a small fringe of the Israeli population that wants to annex the West Bank and the

Re: WMD

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I would say almost the same thing about you when someone is critical of Bush or the U.S. Doug But, Doug, if you read my posts with any degree of attention, you'd be wrong. I have variously criticized Bush Administration policies on a fair

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia said: OK, why *did* it survive? Do you know? I don't know about cystic fibrosis in detail, but it's presumably because having one copy of the gene conveys some advantage that outweighs the problems involved with having two copies.

Re: Are you a model citizen?

2003-06-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: Of course grey hairs are creeping in. Is this what life is all about? Seems so. Well, I don't know as you could really call mine *grey*, but there are more and more white ones creeping in. I expect that when I'm 60, it'll be totally white, and I'll still run around with it

Re: general rambling

2003-06-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: *Anyone have digital cable? The selections for me are too general. You listen to 80s music channel, you get some good songs, some you say 'wow I haven't thought about that song in a long time', but you also get a lot of 'please shut it off, I never want to hear that song

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Richard Baker
Gautam said: Not sure if thalassemia is a European term for sickle cell anemia, which has the same effects. No, they aren't the same thing. I chose thalassemia for my example because it's less well known than sickle cell anaemia. Rich ___

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Jan Coffey wrote: So Rich, don't blame a lack of documentation for poorly factored code. Instead of If these idiots would just have documented..., think If these idiots would just have writen Unit Tests or Contracts, written clear code with short methods and discriptive naming, used codeing

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:06:24PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand. That makes two of us. But I wasn't interested in a rationalization of bad behavior, which is what I thought I was getting. I said it seemed unfair. You seemed to disagree and gave examples of similar poor

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same goes for Israel. Shortly after WWII, the least unfair solution probably would have been taking a good-sized chunk of land from Germany to form a Jewish homeland, while negotiating with the Middle East world to get them visitation rights

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:08:06PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/13/03 2:16:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why, specifically, could they not go to Israel in, say, late 1949 or 1950? Were they forcibly prevented? By whom? By that point, I think, the Israelis

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

2003-06-13 Thread Julia Thompson
Richard Baker wrote: People move on. What's the mean time spent in a job in the software industry: two or three years? In the mid-1990s in graphics, it was 18 months. At least, that's what someone at my husband's company determined when they were trying to figure out how to persuade people to

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:04:50PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: local population fought a war of independence. In many ways it wasn't that different from us in 1776 - except, of course, that the British didn't intend to kill every American colonist, as the Arabs _did_ and _do_. Israel

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 11:06:24AM -0500, Steve Sloan II wrote: I was wondering if you could give a capsule summary of that transfer. I don't know much about it, but I have wondered how it occurred. Most importantly I'd like to know exactly when,

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your opinion, are the European media more biased than the US media? In my opinion, the British media, at least, are considerably more balanced than those US news channels I see (CNN, Fox). I can't speak for newspapers though - I just read the

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is approximately 50% of the world's population and the entire Jewish population of Israel. (Gautam may have known that, but I thought the 'irony' worth posting.) :( I did, which is why I chose the number. and most of them are conservatives?

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read Dan's statement from the perspective of native North Americans. Try that in your analogy. Dean I did. How many native Americans are alive in the US today? If the number is higher than a few hundred, then that's higher than the number of Jews there are

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but there have been Jews in that area since before recorded history and they made up a very large proportion of the population before the Israeli War of Independence. You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, but by those

Palestinian Refugees (a site for reference)

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
Erik, This is an Israeli site, but it does appear to explain the situation in objective terms and give the reasoning for both sides. I thought it would be helpful since you seem to be asking Tom a lot of questions that this site can answer. http://www.mideastweb.org/refugees1.htm Map here:

Re: [L3] Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
Trying out some automatic spell checking so if I frell(sp?) any of the previous post, my apologies. --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Essentially we seem to agree on the facts and how things have played out. What we disagree on was the appropriateness of the actions that were

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
Thanks for the summary, Gautam. That was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I imagine it would have taken me weeks or more to obtain that information by my own research. And _Supreme Command_ sounds interesting, I'll add it to my to read list. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Are you a model citizen?

2003-06-13 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Are you a model citizen? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:40:47 -0500 Horn, John wrote: From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Great idea! I've

scouted: free speach intimidated to death

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
While I may not personaly have any use for such substances, and I am split on the efectiveness of the laws in question, I still take issue with such laws as the RAVE act that can be used to intimidate parties from practicing free speech. Even as what most refer to as a concervative I find this

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the summary, Gautam. That was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I imagine it would have taken me weeks or more to obtain that information by my own research. And _Supreme Command_ sounds interesting, I'll add it to my to read

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My pleasure. I daresay I made at least a couple of mistakes, though - it's been at least a couple of years since I looked at the issue in detail. I imagine that someone here will correct me if I did. In fact, I caught one myself. Substitute

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 12 Jun 2003 at 21:07, Julia Thompson wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: Certainly, but that applies to biology and we don't really KNOW how random much of the formation of the Universe was. And I'd point out that what reproductive fitness is can be complex (for example, why the Cystic

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-13 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:27:55PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your opinion, are the European media more biased than the US media? In my opinion, the British media, at least, are considerably more balanced than those US news channels I see

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