Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-15 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 03:02:30PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: olafbuddenha...@gmx.net, le Wed 04 Aug 2010 19:37:18 +0200, a écrit : On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 02:36:49PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: olafbuddenha...@gmx.net, le Sat 24 Jul 2010 04:08:51 +0200, a écrit : - A

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-15 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 05:24:24PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Besides: Did something change from your usability report last year? Not fundamentally. Some new breakage -- gv for example has been broken for a while (epdfview works though, so not a real problem); or some breakage in

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-13 Thread Samuel Thibault
olafbuddenha...@gmx.net, le Wed 04 Aug 2010 19:37:18 +0200, a écrit : On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 02:36:49PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: olafbuddenha...@gmx.net, le Sat 24 Jul 2010 04:08:51 +0200, a écrit : - A full-featured high-resolution console (probably framebuffer-based) For

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-13 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Thursday 12 August 2010 08:10:43 olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: However, I still refuse to run a graphics-centric environment, just to do my text-centric work on top of it. It makes no sense. I want a text-centric environment, with graphics capabilities as on optional addition; not the

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-12 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 09:17:34AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: What about console on X? Would that suffice for your needs? Oh, sorry, forgot to answer that question. No, it wouldn't suffice. If I was content with X, why would I ever want to port KGI?... Admittedly, X would

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-10 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 19:25:26 olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: * Hurd related: - Boot on laptop ;) - Non-jerky X - Switching between console and X - A full-featured high-resolution console (doesn't good X suffice?) - WLAN - Ported Firefox - Flash

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-10 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 14:13:44 Ivan Shmakov wrote: For those wishing for a better experience, a Linux kernel module version of Mach could be developed at some time later. That would be quite neat. Then adding Hurd to other distributions would be easy, too. Then,

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-09 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 02:21:57PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Am I right in reading your mail, that the real show stoppers for a pure Hurd environment for you are * Hurd related: - Boot on laptop ;) - Non-jerky X - Switching between console and X - A

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-09 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 07:13:44PM +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote: olafbuddenha...@gmx.net writes: However, I have been planning to get an extra router box for quite some time now -- so that is really only a temporary consideration. (Holding me back so far is the excessive cost of

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-08-09 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 02:36:49PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: olafbuddenha...@gmx.net, le Sat 24 Jul 2010 04:08:51 +0200, a écrit : - A full-featured high-resolution console (probably framebuffer-based) For that, just a framebuffer would be enough, then bogl can be used. I was

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-30 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: Ivan Shmakov, le Wed 28 Jul 2010 19:13:44 +0700, a écrit : - PPPoE/routing/NAT/packet filtering. I'd much appreciate IPv6 support, and there will be virtually no need for NAT for me then. AIUI, IPv6 is already supported. Indeed.

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-30 Thread Samuel Thibault
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:18:32PM +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote: Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@gnu.org writes: Ivan Shmakov, le Wed 28 Jul 2010 19:13:44 +0700, a écrit : - PPPoE/routing/NAT/packet filtering. I'd much appreciate IPv6 support, and there will be virtually no need for

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-29 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Saturday 24 July 2010 04:08:51 olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: Not sure why you want to exclude me here :-) That was just because you already said what’s missing. But your list here is much more useful, so the excluding was clearly wrong :) Am I right in reading your mail, that the real

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-28 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:41:49AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: This message goes to all who (different from Olaf aka antrik) don???t yet use the Hurd for their day-to-day tasks (if you do, please write anyway that it fullfills your (basic?) needs). What is currently missing in

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-28 Thread Samuel Thibault
olafbuddenha...@gmx.net, le Sat 24 Jul 2010 04:08:51 +0200, a écrit : - A full-featured high-resolution console (probably framebuffer-based) For that, just a framebuffer would be enough, then bogl can be used. - Firefox (or perhaps some other full-featured browser) We should be close to this,

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-28 Thread Ivan Shmakov
olafbuddenha...@gmx.net writes: […] For my desktop: - PPPoE/routing/NAT/packet filtering. I'd much appreciate IPv6 support, and there will be virtually no need for NAT for me then. (There's an obvious interest in P2P in the free software community, and

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-28 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Wed 28 Jul 2010 19:13:44 +0700, a écrit : - PPPoE/routing/NAT/packet filtering. I'd much appreciate IPv6 support, and there will be virtually no need for NAT for me then. AIUI, IPv6 is already supported. • message passing on top of Linux: –

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-17 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 15/07/10 17:54, Samuel Thibault wrote: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort, le Wed 14 Jul 2010 21:13:11 +0200, a écrit : - Support for modern processors (Intel Core 2 Duo, I've heard anything newer than Pentium III may not work) I'd actually say that anything may not work, be it newer than Pentium

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-15 Thread Samuel Thibault
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort, le Wed 14 Jul 2010 21:13:11 +0200, a écrit : - Support for modern processors (Intel Core 2 Duo, I've heard anything newer than Pentium III may not work) I'd actually say that anything may not work, be it newer than Pentium III or not. If there's an issue, people should

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-14 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 12/07/10 08:41, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: What is currently missing in the Hurd distibutions to make it fullfill your basic needs for your day-to-day work or hobby? Ideally on real hardware, alternatively in qemu/virtualbox/XEN/… I'd first need to (try to) install it on my desktop

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-13 Thread Svante Signell
Sorry for chiming in here, maybe this is a shot in the dark. Grub has made some progress with USB interfaces by Ales Nesrsta, see e.g. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2010-07/msg00079.html Can this (GNU) work be reusable for Hurd? Svante Signell GNU and Hurd supporter

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2010-07-13 Thread Svante Signell
This reply does not seem to have made it to bug-hurd. Maybe not so usable to get support for USB in Hurd, but anyway. Forwarded Message From: Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com Reply-to: The development of GNU GRUB grub-de...@gnu.org To: grub-de...@gnu.org

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-12 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 08:41:49AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: What is missing for you? Sound support, wireless, and PPPoE. I could probably factor out these to a seperate router/sound box but at that point I might as well just run Hurd in in kvm and use the host as the support box,

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-12 Thread ms
On 12/07/10 07:41, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: What is currently missing in the Hurd distibutions to make it fullfill your basic needs for your day-to-day work or hobby? Ideally on real hardware, alternatively in qemu/virtualbox/XEN/… In order of importance: -USB (can't do backups/access my

Re: What do you need from the Hurd for your day-to-day tasks?

2010-07-12 Thread Michael S. Walker
One of my aims in starting Arch Hurd was to end up with a system which could run on my server, maybe also my netbook. There are only a few things (alas, big things) before I can do that. In order of importance: Server: * USB * Sound * SATA Netbook: * SATA * USB * Sound * Wireless