Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Thomas Hruska
David Hamill wrote: Nico wrote: Absolutely; no beginner should ever learn C, this is a language for experienced programmers. From this point of view I totally agree: never learn C as your first language. Modern languages can be very abstract, and learning them comes down to memorising

Re: [c-prog] Compiler version

2008-09-16 Thread andrew clarke
On Tue 2008-09-16 05:19:41 UTC-0700, mano M ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How can I find version of xlC_r compiler . I couldn't find the option in man pages. If anyone knows ,pl hel me; xlC -qversion

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Tamas Marki
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Hruska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternative: PHP is very C-like and, since PHP 5.x, it can hold its own as a language. PHP can teach all the basic constructs and will also teach server-side programming. Back in 2001, PHP wasn't up to the task, but it is

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread andrew clarke
On Tue 2008-09-16 17:39:14 UTC+0200, Tamas Marki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Seriously, everyone should learn a bit of Python to see how elegant a language can be... :) Seconded :)

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread ~Rick
At Tuesday 9/16/2008 05:48, you wrote: --- In c-prog@yahoogroups.com, John Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In c-prog@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Hruska thruska@ wrote: John Matthews wrote: 8X- snip -X8 Only too bad that Pascal is more or less dead; as a beginner's language

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread David Hamill
Thomas wrote: Under that statement, we should all learn assembler, machine language, and maybe even leap backwards a few decades and use punch cards. :) Well, I do know three assembly languages, actually. ;-) (I've also used punched cards!) The important issue is: What language gets the

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Paul Herring
You're all talking rubbish. (Rant follows. And I'm not in my normal 'sober' mood either. For those offended, bugger off, I don't care. For those that follow to the end, I thank you.) Computer languages are like spoken languages. In a few ways. The hardest to learn is your first one. You spend

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Brett McCoy
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Paul Herring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're all talking rubbish. (Rant follows. And I'm not in my normal 'sober' mood either. For those offended, bugger off, I don't care. For those that follow to the end, I thank you.) I am just curious as to what your

Re: [c-prog] C# database connectivity problem

2008-09-16 Thread ed
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 02:56:22PM -, sumedha_lakade wrote: It may be a off track Question BUT PLZ HELP ME I am trying to develop a salary project in that when i am trying to access access file with the file in C#. On the instruction connection.open() I am getting a msg SQL

Res: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Pedro Izecksohn
--- Thomas Hruska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under that statement, we should all learn assembler, machine language, and maybe even leap backwards a few decades and use punch cards. :) I totally agree. My first language was C64 Basic and my second language was Assembly. After I learned

Res: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Pedro Izecksohn
--- Nico Heinze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that a beginner will not be able to tell which sites are good and which are bad. And what about those sites where much information is good and only some (but pretty important things) are really bad and wrong? Can a newbie tell the difference? Or even

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread John Gaughan
Thomas Hruska wrote: Plus learning C++ first makes it easier to learn C (should the need arise) since the two languages have many things in common. It doesn't work so well in the converse direction. You end up having to unlearn bad habits in C to learn C++ (particularly the OO aspects).

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread John Gaughan
Nico Heinze wrote: In addition for me a C++ compiler still has the principle trouble with name mangling, yet another reason for me to stay away from C++. Name mangling is not a problem, it is not an accident, it is not a bad thing. It exists to protect you and your customers from code

Re: [c-prog] Re: programmingsites???

2008-09-16 Thread Thomas Hruska
andrew clarke wrote: On Tue 2008-09-16 17:39:14 UTC+0200, Tamas Marki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Seriously, everyone should learn a bit of Python to see how elegant a language can be... :) Seconded :) Ugh. I know plenty of Python (thanks to Spambayes). It is a terrible language. Not