Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote: In a message of Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:09:17 +0200, Tarek Ziadé writes: snip Frankly, I don't really understand why you are concerned with this trust issues, a end-user that installs a software is already trusting it, since it

[Catalog-sig] Mirroring pypi

2010-08-23 Thread Gaël Le Mignot
Hello, At Pilot Systems, we are using a lot of Python, both internally and for customers. We also have an hosting farm, hosting mostly Python applications (Zope and Django). We are interested in providing, on this hosting farm, a local mirror of pypi, both for ourselves (allowing

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread P.J. Eby
At 03:37 PM 8/23/2010 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote: This will never happen: the installer will stop and just state that there's a conflict and the installation cannot continue. What I was trying to point out is that if this is the intended/suggested use of the field, then the PEP should say so.

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:02 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 03:37 PM 8/23/2010 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote: This will never happen: the installer will stop and just state that there's a conflict and the installation cannot continue. What I was trying to point out is that if

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread Alexis Métaireau
Le 08/23/2010 07:02 PM, P.J. Eby a écrit : At 03:37 PM 8/23/2010 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote: This will never happen: the installer will stop and just state that there's a conflict and the installation cannot continue. What I was trying to point out is that if this is the intended/suggested

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:16 AM 8/23/2010 -0700, Tarek Ziadé wrote: Well the only nuance is that --depending on the trust you have in the project of course-- You know that you will get Bar, if you install Foo which Obsoletes it, and that you don't need to install Bar anymore. e.g. It just become redundant. Right

Re: [Catalog-sig] Mirroring pypi

2010-08-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
- are you interested by the idea ? If it's PEP 381 conforming: sure. - do you have an estimation of the disk space required ? About 15GB. - do you have an estimation of the daily bandwidth used to sync the mirror ? There are about 40 packages updated per day. - do you have an

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
1/ The obsolete field could be used to say this is the new version of X, like the name of the project has changed. So the new version obsoletes the old one. Using this field, I think that the installers should remove the old releases (by prompting the user). In case of obsoletes, it _should_

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Martin v. Löwis wrote: 1/ The obsolete field could be used to say this is the new version of X, like the name of the project has changed. So the new version obsoletes the old one. Using this field, I think that the installers should remove the old releases (by prompting the user). -1. The

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread P.J. Eby
At 10:00 PM 8/23/2010 +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote: 1/ The obsolete field could be used to say this is the new version of X, like the name of the project has changed. So the new version obsoletes the old one. Using this field, I think that the installers should remove the old releases (by

[Catalog-sig] User-agents / download hit

2010-08-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Hello Proposals: let's remove z3c.pypimirror and pep381client from the download stats. This would make the hits more close to reality http://pypi.python.org/webstats/usage_201008.html#DAYSTATS Tarek -- Tarek Ziadé | http://ziade.org ___ Catalog-SIG

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread P.J. Eby
At 02:55 PM 8/23/2010 -0700, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:24 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: .. In case of obsoletes, it _should_ also be possible to install both of them simultaneously. Maybe some other other distribution depends on the original one, and can't work

Re: [Catalog-sig] User-agents / download hit

2010-08-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Proposals: let's remove z3c.pypimirror and pep381client from the download stats. This isn't really implementable as formulated: for many of the files, I just don't know what user agent has downloaded them. So if I reduce this number displayed by some value, I couldn't really claim that the

Re: [Catalog-sig] User-agents / download hit

2010-08-23 Thread Tarek Ziadé
2010/8/23 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de: Proposals: let's remove z3c.pypimirror and pep381client from the download stats. This isn't really implementable as formulated: for many of the files, I just don't know what user agent has downloaded them. How come ? I though all calls were made

Re: [Catalog-sig] PEP 345 Update

2010-08-23 Thread P.J. Eby
At 01:23 AM 8/24/2010 +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote: It should also make sure that they don't overwrite each other's files. PEP 376 makes this straightforward, even in the case where the two installers are different. Then, it should also make sure that they aren't conflicting in any other