Re: [cayugabirds-l] Waterfowl hunting at Salt Pt?

[Mike Pitzrick]

I see from the minutes of the 10/16/2013 Lansing Town Board Meeting

that
deer hunting is also allowed at Salt Point, and that "Recently the Town
Board did ask the DEC for clarity about whether shotgun hunting of deer is
an allowable use on that property."  Does anybody know if that question has
been resolved?

-Mike


On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Dave Nutter  wrote:

> I believe hunting is allowed on Salt Point, which is DEC land administered
> by the Town of Lansing. Kinda sucks for those of us who prefer to see live
> undisturbed birds.
> —Dave Nutter
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
> >
> > I headed over to MyersPark/ Salt Pt. intending to photograph Canada
> Geese taking off against the fall colors (as they did there yesterday). To
> my disappointment, I found instead someone setting out an array of mallard
> decoys and a hunting blind on the point just below the Osprey nest platform
> at Salt Pt. No real waterfowl anywhere. Assuming hunting was illegal in the
> "Salt Pt. Conservation Area", I went over to Salt Pt. intending to talk to
> the person, but again to my dismay, that none of the signage, including the
> DEC "rules" sign as you enter Salt Pt. says anything about whether
> waterfowl hunting there is prohibited or permitted. Does anyone know
> whether hunting is legal there?
> >
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > Marie Read Wildlife Photography
> > 452 Ringwood Road
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> >
> > Phone  607-539-6608
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Cinnamon Teal continues, Montezuma NWR

[Dave Nutter]

Update: around 10am Joe Wing reported that it had returned to Larue’s.
—Dave Nutter

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
> 
> The CINNAMON TEAL was reported by Logan Kahle on Larue’s Lagoon shortly after 
> 6am this morning. Joe Wing reported that it was flushed by an eagle and flew 
> from there toward the Main Pool at 9am. If this bird sticks around long 
> enough it may finish transitioning and remove doubt as to whether it is a 
> Blue-winged Teal hybrid. Or it may not transition further which might (or 
> might not) suggest it’s a hybrid. As Kevin notes, BNA says they retain 
> eclipse traits for quite awhile. Keep taking photos and notes, everyone!
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[cayugabirds-l] Cinnamon Teal LaRue's

[Dave K]

The Cinnamon Teal was more cooperative at ~10AM today. Still sticking to the 
East side but in the open. Some pics start at


https://www.flickr.com/photos/105424358@N06/22763516091/in/datetaken-public/


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[cayugabirds-l] Mt Pleasant SNOW BUNTINGS

[Marie P. Read]

Yes, that's right! There were 4 Snow Buntings flittering and twittering around 
at the east end of Mt. Pleasant Rd about 30 mins ago, while I was out enjoying 
the balmy afternoon!

I hear Redpolls are on their way too. Maybe the beginning of a birdy winter? 
Let's hope...
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[cayugabirds-l] OT: Northern Lights

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

Hi Folks,

Just to let you know that there are good chances of seeing northern lights if 
you are out chasing owls to night. I did spend sometime out there but so far no 
luck with either owls or lights. If you see one please let others know.


http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/northern-lights-aurora-borealis-viewing-conditions-clouds-space/53372720

[http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2015/650x366_11032041_page.jpg]

Northern Lights May Glow Over Northeast, Midwest This Week
Stargazers may be in for a rare cosmic light show this week as the northern 
lights dance across the night sky.
Read 
more...







Cheers

Meena


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Ithaca area moths: https://plus.google.com/118047473426099383469/posts
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[cayugabirds-l] Knox-Marcellus Sandhills & East Road house fire

[John and Fritzie Blizzard]

Around the drive at MNWR were many people looking for the mystery 
"cinnamon" teal. No one we talked to had seen it. Frogs  & turtles were 
out enjoying the warm day. Becky helped a painted turtle across the 
road. A crow captured a leopard frog & flew away with it. We saw more 
frogs on the road across from Larue's & more crows watching for them. 
Love the harriers & juvenile bald eagles.


Has anyone noticed that what may be a new pool is being dug in the field 
toward the Thruway north from Eaton Marsh between Benning & the river? 
That is probably where the dirt is coming from to make the raised area 
across from the Thruway fence.


Today Becky & I saw no fewer than 43 sandhill cranes continuing at 
Knox-Marcellus. Time was short so we couldn't stay long.


What was of importance to us was the remains of the lone house on East 
Rd., once owned by my distant Mennonite cousin. It burnt to the ground 
either Fri. night or sometime Sat.. It was still smouldering this 
afternoon & we could feel the heat from it. Becky & I had been by it at 
almost dark on Fri. evening & saw voluminous clouds of black smoke 
coming from the chimney, something I'd never seen in all the yrs. I'd 
been by there or when I'd stopped to visit Janelle. The house was heated 
by a wood furnace in the basement.


We saw Jackie Bakker & Larue St.Clair at the entrance to the refuge but 
they had no news nor had they been by the house. The nearest fire dept. 
is in Montezuma village. Such a sad loss. Just wanted fellow birders to 
know when & what as that gray house has been a marker for a number of yrs..


Yesterday on Mill pond, we had many mallards, several prs. of buffles & 
2 female woodies. Today 2 teachers  had at least 20 middle school youths 
at the gazebo, looking at the buffle-heads.


Fritzie B.


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[cayugabirds-l] 71 Sandhill Cranes Montezuma NWR--Knox-Marsellus and Puddler Marshes, Nov 1, 2015

[Michael Tetlow]

Late post from Sunday evening.  Missed the Teal but went to Knox after sunset 
to see just how many are roosting there.

-Original Message-
From: ebird-checkl...@cornell.edu [mailto:ebird-checkl...@cornell.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:01 PM
To: mjtet...@frontiernet.net
Subject: eBird Report - Montezuma NWR--Knox-Marsellus and Puddler Marshes, Nov 
1, 2015

Montezuma NWR--Knox-Marsellus and Puddler Marshes, Seneca, New York, US Nov 1, 
2015 5:15 PM - 5:35 PM
Protocol: Stationary
1 species

Sandhill Crane  71 Counted after sunset in the fading light as the last 6 
flew in from the west to join the 65 roosting on KM. others had counted 59 and 
61 earlier!

View this checklist online at 
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This report was generated automatically by eBird v3 (http://ebird.org)
 
Mike Tetlow  mjtet...@frontiernet.net 
  


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[cayugabirds-l] Fwd: Montezuma Teal details

[Dave Nutter]

Here are a few more descriptions and links to photos of the Cinnamon Teal at 
Montezuma. Maybe they include evidence that could help resolve (or instead 
feed) the hybrid question. One of Mamie Weed’s photos suggests a vaguely 
crescent-shaped lighter area on the front of the face. Celeste Morien & Willie 
D’Anna share photos and a description of a red eye, a yellow-orange ankle 
joint, and a bill larger and perhaps more spatulate than Blue-winged Teal. 
—Dave Nutter

Cinnamon Teal (Anas cyanoptera) (1)
- Reported Nov 02, 2015 13:00 by Mamie Weed
- Montezuma NWR--Larue's Lagoon, Seneca, New York
- Map: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8 
=p=13=42.972376,-76.7378712=42.972376,-76.7378712
- Checklist: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S25683381 

- Comments: "Continuing. Possible Blue-winged Teal x Cinnamon Teal hybrid.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129037708@N07/22747944515/in/dateposted-public/
 
"
 title="Cinnamon Teal">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/666/22747944515_e58a178257.jpg 
" alt="Cinnamon 
Teal" />

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129037708@N07/22747938905/in/dateposted-public/
 
"
 title="Cinnamon Teal">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5776/22747938905_a90229a373.jpg 
" alt="Cinnamon 
Teal" />"

Cinnamon Teal (Anas cyanoptera) (1)
- Reported Nov 02, 2015 13:34 by Celeste Morien
- Montezuma NWR--Larue's Lagoon, Seneca, New York
- Map: 
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8=p=13=42.972376,-76.7378712=42.972376,-76.7378712
 

- Checklist: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S25685884 

- Media: 3 Photos
- Comments: "Male teal in transitional cinnamon colored plumage viewed with 
KOWA 880 scope at 265 yards. Breast, sides and flanks looked uniformly cinnamon 
at first in scope views, but in different light not so much. Rear flank patch 
looked lighter in one photo but not in others. Scapulars brown. Tertials brown. 
Tail dark. Slightly lighter feathering color near bill and in front of eye 
(showing possibility of hybridization of some degree?) Crown dark or black. 
Upper wing covert patch light blue with white edge; speculum green below as in 
BWTE. Primaries black. Eye red, bill black, legs orange-yellow. Bill longer 
than typical BWTE which looked more spatulate but not to the extreme of NOSH. I 
forgot to check looking for a thick neck with scope-review of video of bird 
showed it kept its neck close to body except rarely while we observed for 
perhaps an hour as the duck would frequently come in and out of view in marsh 
edges. Sadly, I don't believe any of my photos would add clarity to the hybrid 
discussion."

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter 
> Subject: RE: Montezuma Teal details
> Date: November 3, 2015 at 8:18:23 PM EST
> To: 'Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter' , 'Dave 
> Nutter' 
> Cc: 'Sue Barth' , 'Celeste Morien' 
> 
> 
> Hi Dave,
>  
> I have posted some of my digiscoped photos of the teal to my Flickr site. 
> They are not great but may add something to the discussion. One thing I 
> noticed in my photos that I did not see clearly in the field is that this 
> bird has a noticeably larger bill than the BWTE next to it. You can also make 
> out the red iris in some photos, as well as rather bright orange legs at the 
> joint.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/107683885@N07/ 
> 
>  
> Feel free to post this to Cayugabirds. Thanks!
>  
> All the best,
> Willie
>  
> From: Dave Nutter [mailto:nutter.d...@me.com ] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:39 PM
> To: Willie D'Anna and Betsy Potter
> Subject: Cinnamon Teal details
>  
> Thanks for noting the eye and leg/foot color, even though it turns out, I 
> think, that what you saw doesn't decide the hybrid question, unless true 
> Cinnamon Teals have feet even more yellow than that.
>  
> Also, I think I have found a way to have my posts end up on the archives, or 
> at least some of them. It's a bit more trouble for me, but this way you can 
> see if what I say is of interest.
> --Dave Nutter


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[cayugabirds-l] Cinnamon Teal continues, Montezuma NWR

[Dave Nutter]

The CINNAMON TEAL was reported by Logan Kahle on Larue’s Lagoon shortly after 
6am this morning. Joe Wing reported that it was flushed by an eagle and flew 
from there toward the Main Pool at 9am. If this bird sticks around long enough 
it may finish transitioning and remove doubt as to whether it is a Blue-winged 
Teal hybrid. Or it may not transition further which might (or might not) 
suggest it’s a hybrid. As Kevin notes, BNA says they retain eclipse traits for 
quite awhile. Keep taking photos and notes, everyone!

—Dave Nutter
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[cayugabirds-l] Waterfowl hunting at Salt Pt?

[Marie P. Read]

I headed over to MyersPark/ Salt Pt. intending to photograph Canada Geese 
taking off against the fall colors (as they did there yesterday). To my 
disappointment, I found instead someone setting out an array of mallard decoys 
and a hunting blind on the point just below the Osprey nest platform at Salt 
Pt. No real waterfowl anywhere. Assuming hunting was illegal in the "Salt Pt. 
Conservation Area", I went over to Salt Pt. intending to talk to the person, 
but again to my dismay, that none of the signage, including the DEC "rules" 
sign as you enter Salt Pt. says anything about whether waterfowl hunting there 
is prohibited or permitted. Does anyone know whether hunting is legal there?

Marie


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Waterfowl hunting at Salt Pt?

[Dave Nutter]

I believe hunting is allowed on Salt Point, which is DEC land administered by 
the Town of Lansing. Kinda sucks for those of us who prefer to see live 
undisturbed birds. 
—Dave Nutter


> On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
> 
> I headed over to MyersPark/ Salt Pt. intending to photograph Canada Geese 
> taking off against the fall colors (as they did there yesterday). To my 
> disappointment, I found instead someone setting out an array of mallard 
> decoys and a hunting blind on the point just below the Osprey nest platform 
> at Salt Pt. No real waterfowl anywhere. Assuming hunting was illegal in the 
> "Salt Pt. Conservation Area", I went over to Salt Pt. intending to talk to 
> the person, but again to my dismay, that none of the signage, including the 
> DEC "rules" sign as you enter Salt Pt. says anything about whether waterfowl 
> hunting there is prohibited or permitted. Does anyone know whether hunting is 
> legal there?
> 
> Marie
> 
> 
> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
> 452 Ringwood Road
> Freeville NY  13068 USA
> 
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> e-mail   m...@cornell.edu
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Cinnamon Teal

[Dave Nutter]

I'd like to interject here with the unbiased voice of ignorance. Plus what I 
saw.

I've only seen breeding plumage male Cinnamon Teal a couple times, and the 
paleness of this bird was different from their intense saturated color, 
especially on on the head. I think everyone agrees this bird is not a full 
breeding plumage Cinnamon Teal. The question is whether a transition plumage or 
a hybrid is more apt to show the characteristics of this bird. I don't know the 
answer, but I did study this bird in good light through a scope for an hour, 
and I tried to describe it in my eBird report, but I'll highlight a bit here.

I saw a pattern on this bird's face through the purple-brown wash, with a 
narrow darker line behind the eye, a darker/blackish crown, but paler near the 
bill, similar to a female Blue-winged Teal, but the paleness did not impress me 
as a crescent, and it was most noticeable to me between the crown and the bill. 
I understand that female & eclipse Cinnamon Teal are supposed to be less 
patterned on the face than Blue-winged Teal, but Cinnamon also show paleness 
near the bill and especially between the forehead and crown. The face pattern I 
saw did NOT resemble what Sibley shows for the hybrid with a broad paler 
crescent in front of the eye contrasting with a darker area surrounding the eye 
and extending broadly back across the cheek like the green on an American 
Wigeon.

I agree with Kevin, I saw no marking on the side suggestive of the pattern on a 
breeding plumage male Blue-winged. Some photos I've seen of this bird show 
patchy paleness on the sides, perhaps from reflected light on wet or ruffled 
feathers or perhaps from thin plumage where feathers are not yet fully grown 
in. My impression overall was that the side was broadly, smoothly, and evenly 
washed with unmarked purple-brown. However, I did see small dark spots 
extending down and forward from the shoulder toward the breast, which 
Blue-winged Teal has but which plates of Cinnamon in field guides don't show. A 
photo of a Cinnamon in the Audubon Master Guide shows patterned feathers 
extending into this area, but that may be back feathers pushed there due to the 
bird's posture. I have not studied collections of photos.

The small - but to my eye persistent - pale area on this bird's flank confuses 
me. It was in the uper rear part of the area where a breeding plumage male 
Blue-winged Teal shows a big bright white patch, but I see no equivalent pale 
area on any plates of any plumage of Cinnamon Teal so I don't understand how a 
transition-plumage Cinnamon would end up with that mark. Is that just a place 
where white often shows through when feathers are scarce? It was smaller, less 
white, and less distinct than Sibley shows on the hybrid, but perhaps that's 
variable. 

Sibley’s hybrid shows a red eye, but I wonder if that’s variable. Has anyone 
gotten a good look at the eye color? Wouldn’t brown indicate Blue-winged 
heritage, whereas red could be Cinnamon or hybrid? Even eclipse male Cinnamon 
has a red eye according to Sibley. 

My eBird report, which I have expanded and clarified a bit from the original, 
is here:
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S25664307 

--Dave Nutter

On Nov 02, 2015, at 11:51 PM, "Kevin J. McGowan"  wrote:

> I don’t think I agree. The pale face doesn’t track a facial crescent like 
> that of a Blue-winged Teal. If you look at the shape of it, the paleness is 
> broadest at the forehead and at the throat. In contrast, a Blue-winged Teal 
> has the broadest white behind the bill and almost nothing near the throat. To 
> me, the indistinctly pale face and pale, not white, patch near the rump are 
> easily matched by transitional male Cinnamon Teal with no need for hybrid 
> ancestry hypothesis. There is no spotting on the sides visible in any photo 
> yet posted other than the dark centers of eclipse feathers. Beautiful photos 
> of an unmistakable Cinnamon X Blue-winged teal by Chris from a couple of 
> years ago (can you post a link?) show a bird quite unlike this one, with lots 
> of crisp spotting on side feathers, a facial pattern unlike this bird, and a 
> clear white flank patch.
> 
>  
> I have little experience with Cinnamon Teal at this time of year, but this 
> bird is pretty comparable in terms of coloration with the couple of birds 
> I’ve seen in Texas in November. The BNA account mentions that this species 
> holds onto bits of eclipse plumage well through the fall,  and doesn’t get 
> full, smooth breeding plumage until the spring. I need to look at more 
> seasonal examples, but I don’t see anything outside the range of normal 
> Cinnamon Teal plumage that would convince me this is a hybrid yet.
> 
>  
> Kevin
> 
>  
> From: bounce-119851092-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
>  
> [mailto:bounce-119851092-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 

[cayugabirds-l] yes Waterfowl hunting at Salt Pt

[Donna Lee Scott]

Sorry Marie and others,

But hunting is allowed for both waterfowl and deer (!) at Salt Point.
Salt Point is a NYS DEC "wildlife management area" therefore these activities, 
as well as all the other activities such as hiking, paddling, and birding there 
are legal - in season.
Town of Lansing manages the area for the DEC, but the town has to follow the 
guidelines of the DEC for usage.

It is important to be aware that the recent changes in vehicular access (or 
non-access) to Salt Pt. and all the work on plantings, trails and benches etc. 
could only come about by the blessing of our town board - and please remember 
that Lansing is NOT like Ithaca/Cornell/TBurg with its huge contingent of 
environmentally appreciative people and attitudes; Lansing is a very rural town 
that has been in transition from all agriculture to suburb for the last 40 
years. So the residents hold all sorts of different views on land use, etc.
 
Since there is still a lot of pressure from some Lansing residents to "put Salt 
Pt. back the way it used to be", in other words to allow cars & trucks to drive 
all over everywhere on the point and drunken/drugged parties & illegal activity 
to flourish, etc., the Lans. Parks and Rec Dept. and us Friends of Salt Point 
have to be very careful to compromise on our demands and wishes. Just like many 
other mixed-use land holdings (think the Adirondacks), Salt Point has to 
accommodate several uses and attempt to respect the former uses and practices 
there, where possible.
It is a big balancing act and it could be reversed if we are unlucky.

I did not know that it was duck season tho!!
One can still walk in the Point trails, but be aware that hunters may be by the 
water.

Donna Scott
Member , Friends of Salt Point

Lansing, NY 

-Original Message-
From: bounce-119852468-15001...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-119852468-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Marie P. Read
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:06 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Waterfowl hunting at Salt Pt?

I headed over to MyersPark/ Salt Pt. intending to photograph Canada Geese 
taking off against the fall colors (as they did there yesterday). To my 
disappointment, I found instead someone setting out an array of mallard decoys 
and a hunting blind on the point just below the Osprey nest platform at Salt 
Pt. No real waterfowl anywhere. Assuming hunting was illegal in the "Salt Pt. 
Conservation Area", I went over to Salt Pt. intending to talk to the person, 
but again to my dismay, that none of the signage, including the DEC "rules" 
sign as you enter Salt Pt. says anything about whether waterfowl hunting there 
is prohibited or permitted. Does anyone know whether hunting is legal there?

Marie


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