RE:[cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

2017-08-18 Thread John Confer 
poses to cut down the trees on 1,192  of them. 41 will become grassland, 154 
will become shrub land, and 993 will eventually become young forest (trees cut 
and left, allowing saplings to grow).

They've been doing this right along - clear-cuts of red pine in 3 places I've 
seen in the last 2-3 years (50 acres?). Two fresh ones show up quite nicely on 
Google Earth on Ct Hill Rd 3#. This year I've seen 3 new YFIs- one was a a 
campground area turned into one, done this year, but not on the plan. Two 
others, on the plan, already finished. Coming upon these is quite a shock when 
you've been hiking these woods for many years. They accomplish these 
"treatments" very quickly with tracked vehicles equipped with grinders to get 
rid of the little stuff, and chainsaws. This is what I have seen so far, before 
the announcement of this plan - the clear-cuts of red pine, and the first YFIs.

Many much-loved unofficial trails (often the result of previous State 
extractions and maintained by local users) will also be lost, or if they 
survive will have new views of a tortured landscape - vast areas with stumps, 
half-ground trees and the ruts of large tracked vehicles (see proposed fate of 
D21, or the Fingerfields area of B49.2, B53, and B55).Field views if lucky, but 
these apparently require Roundup applications, as we've seen in recent 
yearsapplied to older fields.

Will the thinned areas be a subtler treatment, or will we have new wide access 
roads to these for extraction purposes? What will Lloyd Stark Rd look like 
after they do thinning on F8? Will the patch clear-cuts have a more pleasant 
aspect? Maybe you know more about the details of the various treatments 
mentioned. Maybe it won't end up looking ugly and ravished, like some kind of 
visual equivalent to a big box game store.

Dave



On Wednesday, August 16, 2017, 1:25:40 PM EDT, John Confer 
<con...@ithaca.edu<mailto:con...@ithaca.edu>> wrote:



The DEC periodically updates management plans for each forest unit. I don’t 
know the details of Connecticut Hill, but I did become involved with the 
Hammond Hill plans. I met with DEC personnel to suggest some alterations in 
their plans for successional habitat. On balance I strongly support them. The 
intention is to create habitat that supports a greater diversity of wildlife. 
In particular, for Hammond Hill State Forest there is a conscious attempt to 
create more early succession habitat by forest cutting. The background is that 
in New York most forest species are increasing while most successional species 
are declining. Even so called forest species frequently use or even require 
successional habitat for part of the annual diet. Bear fatten on berries, 
turkey feed their poults on seeds of successional plants, tanagers feed on 
berries, and deer browse on small woody stems as an important and perhaps 
critical winter food. etc. Of course, early successional habitat supports a 
variety of early successional species, but it also provides forage for deer and 
many other forest species for parts of their annual life. I offer these 
thoughts after 35 years of research on successional species. I wouldn’t throw 
out the baby with the bath water on this effort.



John Confer



From: 
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To: Martha Fischer <m...@cornell.edu<mailto:m...@cornell.edu>>; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill 
Wildlife Management Plan



They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
(one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with the 
telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say that 
communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently did 
they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young forest 
Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been barraged 
with questions and/or complaints.







On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer 
<m...@cornell.edu<mailto:m...@cornell.edu>> wrote:





Here’s an FYI…



There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
Management Plan
Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
habitat management plan for Connecticut hill Wildlife Management Area located 
in the Towns of Catherine, Cayuta and Hector, ...
You may view the latest post

Re:[cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

2017-08-17 Thread Dave Gislason 
I respect that you obviously have much more experience and knowledge in this 
area, and that maybe in the long term it is good and necessary, and everything 
will be alright. But, this is a huge project that over the 10 years will 
greatly change the experience of this 11, 237 acres of land.  The State 
proposes to cut down the trees on 1,192  of them. 41 will become grassland, 154 
will become shrub land, and 993 will eventually become young forest (trees cut 
and left, allowing saplings to grow). 
They've been doing this right along - clear-cuts of red pine in 3 places I've 
seen in the last 2-3 years (50 acres?). Two fresh ones show up quite nicely on 
Google Earth on Ct Hill Rd 3#. This year I've seen 3 new YFIs- one was a a 
campground area turned into one, done this year, but not on the plan. Two 
others, on the plan, already finished. Coming upon these is quite a shock when 
you've been hiking these woods for many years. They accomplish these 
"treatments" very quickly with tracked vehicles equipped with grinders to get 
rid of the little stuff, and chainsaws. This is what I have seen so far, before 
the announcement of this plan - the clear-cuts of red pine, and the first YFIs. 
Many much-loved unofficial trails (often the result of previous State 
extractions and maintained by local users) will also be lost, or if they 
survive will have new views of a tortured landscape - vast areas with stumps, 
half-ground trees and the ruts of large tracked vehicles (see proposed fate of 
D21, or the Fingerfields area of B49.2, B53, and B55).Field views if lucky, but 
these apparently require Roundup applications, as we've seen in recent 
yearsapplied to older fields.

Will the thinned areas be a subtler treatment, or will we have new wide access 
roads to these for extraction purposes? What will Lloyd Stark Rd look like 
after they do thinning on F8? Will the patch clear-cuts have a more pleasant 
aspect? Maybe you know more about the details of the various treatments 
mentioned. Maybe it won't end up looking ugly and ravished, like some kind of 
visual equivalent to a big box game store.
Dave



On Wednesday, August 16, 2017, 1:25:40 PM EDT, John Confer <con...@ithaca.edu> 
wrote:


The DEC periodically updates management plans for each forest unit. I don’t 
know the details of Connecticut Hill, but I did become involved with the 
Hammond Hill plans. I met with DEC personnel to suggest some alterations in 
their plans for successional habitat. On balance I strongly support them. The 
intention is to create habitat that supports a greater diversity of wildlife. 
In particular, for Hammond Hill State Forest there is a conscious attempt to 
create more early succession habitat by forest cutting. The background is that 
in New York most forest species are increasing while most successional species 
are declining. Even so called forest species frequently use or even require 
successional habitat for part of the annual diet. Bear fatten on berries, 
turkey feed their poults on seeds of successional plants, tanagers feed on 
berries, and deer browse on small woody stems as an important and perhaps 
critical winter food. etc. Of course, early successional habitat supports a 
variety of early successional species, but it also provides forage for deer and 
many other forest species for parts of their annual life. I offer these 
thoughts after 35 years of research on successional species. I wouldn’t throw 
out the baby with the bath water on this effort.
 
  
 
John Confer
 
  
 
From: bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu]On Behalf Of Dave Gislason
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Martha Fischer <m...@cornell.edu>; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
<cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill 
Wildlife Management Plan
 
  
 
They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
(one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with the 
telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say that 
communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently did 
they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young forest 
Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been barraged 
with questions and/or complaints.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer <m...@cornell.edu> 
wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
Here’s an FYI…
 
  
 
There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
Management Plan
Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
habitat management p

Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

2017-08-16 Thread khmo 
Strongly second John's comments for both the Connecticut Hill plan and
for the FLNF. So often a great hue and cry is raised before we
understand the process and benefits planned. 

John 

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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Rd
Burdett, NY 14818
42.443508000, -76.758202000 

On 2017-08-16 17:25, John Confer wrote:

> The DEC periodically updates management plans for each forest unit. I don't 
> know the details of Connecticut Hill, but I did become involved with the 
> Hammond Hill plans. I met with DEC personnel to suggest some alterations in 
> their plans for successional habitat. On balance I strongly support them. The 
> intention is to create habitat that supports a greater diversity of wildlife. 
> In particular, for Hammond Hill State Forest there is a conscious attempt to 
> create more early succession habitat by forest cutting. The background is 
> that in New York most forest species are increasing while most successional 
> species are declining. Even so called forest species frequently use or even 
> require successional habitat for part of the annual diet. Bear fatten on 
> berries, turkey feed their poults on seeds of successional plants, tanagers 
> feed on berries, and deer browse on small woody stems as an important and 
> perhaps critical winter food. etc. Of course, early successional habitat 
> support!
 s a
variety of early successional species, but it also provides forage for deer and 
many other forest species for parts of their annual life. I offer these 
thoughts after 35 years of research on successional species. I wouldn't throw 
out the baby with the bath water on this effort. 
> 
> John Confer 
> 
> FROM: bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu] ON BEHALF OF Dave Gislason
> SENT: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:11 PM
> TO: Martha Fischer <m...@cornell.edu>; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
> SUBJECT: Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut 
> Hill Wildlife Management Plan 
> 
> They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
> couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
> (one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with 
> the telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say 
> that communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently 
> did they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young 
> forest Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been 
> barraged with questions and/or complaints. 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer 
> <m...@cornell.edu> wrote: 
> 
> Here's an FYI... 
> 
> There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
> Management Plan
> Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
> Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
> Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
> NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
> habitat management plan for Connecticut hill Wildlife Management Area located 
> in the Towns of Catherine, Cayuta and Hector, ...
> You may view the latest post at 
> http://townofenfield.org/meeting-on-connecticut-hill-wildlife-management-plan/
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> Thank you.
> Town of Enfield
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

2017-08-16 Thread Dave Gislason 
They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
(one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with the 
telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say that 
communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently did 
they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young forest 
Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been barraged 
with questions and/or complaints.


On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer  
wrote:

Here’s an FYI…
There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
Management Plan
Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
habitat management plan for Connecticut hill Wildlife Management Area located 
in the Towns of Catherine, Cayuta and Hector, ...
You may view the latest post at 
http://townofenfield.org/meeting-on-connecticut-hill-wildlife-management-plan/
You received this e-mail because you asked to be notified when new updates are 
posted.

Thank you.
Town of Enfield

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