Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-05 Thread Matthew Bowler
Along with all the excellent suggestions so far you can also try no cryoprotectant at all: If you harvest your crystal on a mesh loop and remove all the mother liquor the crystal lattice itself will act as a cryoprotectant as long as the solvent channels are smaller than 40A in diameter (they

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-05 Thread Clemens Grimm
Hi Faisal, Did you try to simply raise the Sokalan CP7 percentage? Additives like Glycerol can increase the solubility of proteins, in that case you have to counteract by increasing also the precipitant concentration. If your crystals crack, a likely reason is osmotic shock. Particularly

[ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-04 Thread Faisal Tarique
Hello everyone Can anybody suggest me a cryo condition for a crystal obtained in MIDAS screen of Molecular Dimension: G1 0.1MTris8.0G10.1Mpotassium chloride25% v/vSOKALAN®CP7 0.1MHEPES7.0 G20.3Mammonium formate20% v/vSOKALAN® CP 5 0.1MHEPES7.0 Crystals are in beautiful cuboid shaped but all

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-04 Thread Bert Van-Den-Berg
like you describe. GL Bert From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Faisal Tarique [faisaltari...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 7:43 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] cryo condition Hello everyone Can anybody

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-04 Thread Gloria Borgstahl
of Roger Rowlett rrowl...@colgate.edu Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015 7:22 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition We rarely use glycerol anymore, because it seems to fail so often for many of our current proteins. Try glucose, 25-30%. This is most conveniently done

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-04 Thread Tristan Croll
What about nature's favourite cryoprotectant, trehalose? From: CCP4 bulletin board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK on behalf of Roger Rowlett rrowl...@colgate.edu Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015 7:22 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition We

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-04 Thread Roger Rowlett
We rarely use glycerol anymore, because it seems to fail so often for many of our current proteins. Try glucose, 25-30%. This is most conveniently done by weighing 125-150 mg of glucose in a microcentrifuge tube, then addding well solution to the 0.5 mL mark and mixing until completely

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2015-05-04 Thread David Briggs
If in doubt, try dragging the crystal through a 1:1 mix of Paratone-N and Mineral oil until most or all the mother liquor from surrounding the crystal has been removed. There are more tips here: http://hamptonresearch.com/tip_detail.aspx?id=99 Good luck! D On Mon, 4 May 2015 19:45 Faisal

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-24 Thread Faisal Tarique
Thank you everybody for their nice suggestions.. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Matthew BOWLER mbow...@embl.fr wrote: I keep sending mails by accident today - apologies for the spam. The last sentence of my should read: This could of course be due to too high a concentration of mother

[ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Faisal Tarique
Dear all Can anybody tell me the appropriate cryo condition for the crystals obtained in 2M Ammonium sulphate and tris pH8.5..I tried to add 10% glycerol to it but still the ice ring is forming.. Thanx in advance -- Regards Faisal School of Life Sciences JNU

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Enrico Stura
80% saturated Li2SO4 On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:42:09 +0200, Faisal Tarique faisaltari...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all Can anybody tell me the appropriate cryo condition for the crystals obtained in 2M Ammonium sulphate and tris pH8.5..I tried to add 10% glycerol to it but still the ice ring is

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Boaz Shaanan
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Faisal Tarique [faisaltari...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:42 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] cryo condition Dear all Can anybody tell me the appropriate cryo condition for the crystals obtained

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Roger Rowlett
30% glycerol or 25% glucose should be sufficient for 1-2 M ammonium sulfate. Roger Rowlett On May 23, 2013 5:42 AM, Faisal Tarique faisaltari...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all Can anybody tell me the appropriate cryo condition for the crystals obtained in 2M Ammonium sulphate and tris pH8.5..I

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Janet Newman
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Roger Rowlett [rrowl...@colgate.edu] Sent: 23 May 2013 21:21 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition 30% glycerol or 25% glucose should be sufficient for 1-2 M ammonium sulfate. Roger Rowlett On May 23, 2013 5:42

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread jan
Hi Faisal, 3 - 3.5M Ammonium sulphate with your buffer should work too. Take a small loop. Jan -- Jan Abendroth Emerald BioStructures Seattle / Bainbridge Island WA, USA home: Jan.Abendroth_at_gmail.com work: JAbendroth_at_embios.com http://www.emeraldbiostructures.com On May 23, 2013, at 2:42

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Matthew BOWLER
Hi Faisal, On 2013-05-23 11:42, Faisal Tarique wrote: Dear all Can anybody tell me the appropriate cryo condition for the crystals obtained in 2M Ammonium sulphate and tris pH8.5..I tried to add 10% glycerol to it but still the ice ring is forming.. Thanx in advance-- Regards Faisal School

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Matthew BOWLER
Hi Faisal, if your solvent channels are smaller than 40A in the largest dimension (most are) you can use a mesh loop to pick up the crystal and then wick away all of the mother liquor. You can then flash cool your crystal without having to transfer the crystal to another solution. Good luck,

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Edward Snell
: 42.2 GHz Heisenberg was probably here! -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Thibaut Crepin Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:24 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition Dear Faisal, this paper can be really

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Tanner, John J.
L-proline works well with ammonium sulfate: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22868767 Sent from Jack's iPad On May 23, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Faisal Tarique faisaltari...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all Can anybody tell me the appropriate cryo condition for the crystals obtained in 2M Ammonium

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Ed Pozharski
Matt, with this technique, how do you prevent crystal from drying up (other than doing it fast)? I know Thorne's group does this trick under oil. If you take no extra precautions, do you have an estimate of how often diffraction is destroyed by this? On the other hand, it's quite possible

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Matthew BOWLER
Hi Ed, good question. I have found that you have a good 30 seconds to remove the surrounding liquid - so while you have to do it fast you have enough time that it doesn't need a robot and even a malcoordinate such as myself can do it. I'm afraid that I have no estimate for how often

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo condition

2013-05-23 Thread Matthew BOWLER
I keep sending mails by accident today - apologies for the spam. The last sentence of my should read: This could of course be due to too high a concentration of mother liquor but quite often it occurs at relative humidity values where the concentration of the mother liquor components will