Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-08-01 Thread Paul Emsley
On 31/07/2020 20:33, James Holton wrote: But, if you real really want to do real real-space, then I suppose coot is doing that?  I'm actually not sure. If by "real-space refinement" you mean the same thing as described by Bob Diamond [1], then no, the sum of the squared difference

Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-08-01 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
Dear Thierry, - Le 31 Juil 20, à 21:58, Fischmann, Thierry <22f7fda0a875-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> a écrit : > Jim wrote: > “ technically, not in Phenix either. The real-space refinement in Phenix > simply > picks peaks in the density and then pulls nearby atoms toward them. .

Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-08-01 Thread Tristan Croll
The isolde suggestion already made is an excellent one. The hardest part of that is getting the right version of chimeraX working. But, once you've done that its pretty straightforward. Hopefully not for too much longer. All going well, ISOLDE 1.0 (to work in ChimeraX 1.0) should be out

Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-31 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
Jim wrote: "technically, not in Phenix either. The real-space refinement in Phenix simply picks peaks in the density and then pulls nearby atoms toward them. . Like a black hole gobbling up nearby planets (snip)" Do you have a reference to support this assertion? "It took me a while to realize

Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-31 Thread James Holton
Not in CCP4, no. And, technically, not in Phenix either.  The real-space refinement in Phenix simply picks peaks in the density and then pulls nearby atoms toward them.  Like a black hole gobbling up nearby planets. It took me a while to realize that! If you manage to turn off geometry

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-30 Thread Robert Nicholls
Auftrag von Tom Burnley - > UKRI STFC > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020 18:51 > An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement > > EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk > > > > Hi Herman

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-30 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement EXTERNAL : Real sender is tom.burn...@stfc.ac.uk Hi Herman, Just a couple of tips for Refmac... 1) increase number of cycles - we find some cases require a lot of cycles, more than you may be used from MX refinement. 2) optimise weight

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-30 Thread Tom Burnley - UKRI STFC
: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement Hi everybody, Thank you very much for the many tips! I discovered that in Coot by clicking on the N- and C-terminus of a protein chain, one can indeed run a real-space refinement on the complete chain and the same is true for a rigid body fit. However, subsequent

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-30 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
etin board Im Auftrag von Tom Burnley - UKRI STFC Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020 18:51 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk Hi Herman, There is lots of information o

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Guillaume Gaullier
and > C-terminus for real-space refinement to see what happens. I would prefer to > have some script to do it. > Best, Herman > > Von: Eleanor Dodson > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020 17:23 > An: Schreuder, Herman /DE > Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Betreff: [EXTE

Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Christian Roth
Would the stepped refinement protocol in Coot do what you want? It does a real space refinement for every residue automatically. Cheers Christian On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:20 PM Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Dear BB, > > > > I would like to do a real

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Tom Burnley - UKRI STFC
(and runs Refmac via CCP4). All the best, Tom From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Boaz Shaanan Sent: 29 July 2020 16:31:46 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement Hi, Try searching ccp-em. Boaz Boaz Shaanan

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Boaz Shaanan
UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement   EXTERNAL : Real sender is eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk   Wont coot do that? Eleanor   On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 16:20, Schreuder, Herman /DE <herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: Dear BB,   I would like to do a real real-

[ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2020 17:23 An: Schreuder, Herman /DE Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement EXTERNAL : Real sender is eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk<mailto:eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk> Wont coot do that? Eleanor On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at

Re: [ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Wont coot do that? Eleanor On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 16:20, Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Dear BB, > > > > I would like to do a real real-space-refinement of a protein against a > cryo-EM map; not the mtz-based Refmac approach. A quick internet search > produced a

[ccp4bb] real real-space-refinement

2020-07-29 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear BB, I would like to do a real real-space-refinement of a protein against a cryo-EM map; not the mtz-based Refmac approach. A quick internet search produced a lot of Phenix hits, but little ccp4 hits. Does somebody know how to do this using ccp4 programs, or has someone a Coot script to do