Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
estraints to surrounding atoms can help. > -- > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Thomas, > Leonard M. > *Sent:* 10 August 2022 17:01 > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine > > While th

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Tristan Croll
bulletin board on behalf of Thomas, Leonard M. Sent: 10 August 2022 17:01 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine While the B value in the starting model was fine. I did drop it to a reasonable value and it now seems to be behaving, was thinking about

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Thomas, Leonard M.
While the B value in the starting model was fine. I did drop it to a reasonable value and it now seems to be behaving, was thinking about trying that before I posted. Since this was an MR determination I did check and the starting model B value was actually smaller then the surrounding

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Robert Stroud
I wonder if the high B factor, - 4 times higher you mentioned, is consistent with a sulfinic/sulfenic acid in rotation-so that the atoms dont appear resolved. -The two molecules are definitely in different environments so that even a small difference structure (or dynamics) there or access to

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Robert Stroud
It is possible that the cysteine residue in question got oxidized - the likely products are sulfinic acid SO2H or sulfonic acid SO3H. Since the two molecules in the asymmetric unit are in different environments one could be more prone to the oxidation than the other. Alternatively reaction with

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Thomas, Leonard M.
Thought of this originally but the peak is almost on top of the Sulfur and with the oddly high B value I don’t think it is that. I would also think it would show up on both monomers vs just one. Len On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Roger Rowlett mailto:rrowl...@colgate.edu>> wrote: Do you

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Roger Rowlett
Do you mean the sulfur atom density is larger, or do you mean there is a density peak adjacent to the sulfur atom? It is possible for cysteine (CYS) residues to be oxidized to S-hydroxycysteine (CSO) under certain storage or crystallization conditions. Ran into this in a cysteine hydrolase

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
A large B value with positive difference density sure implies a convergence problem with the refinement. Was the B value extreme in your starting model? (A starting B that is wildly too large or too small at the start may cause it to become trapped in the refinement.) Maybe if you rerun