Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Nicholas M Glykos
Hi William, It is essentially BSD unix. So it should be fine, unless they continue to lobotomize everything and make it into an iPod on a stick. :-)) +1 Thankfully, it is possible to gcc-cross-compile for MacOSX (both i686 + ppc) from a GNU/Linux machine (the procedure for getting it to

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Adam Ralph
Dear All,     There is a free alternative to MS Office, OpenOffice from Oracle. It  can read and write MS Word files and save as PDF. There are some issues  with names of spreadsheet functions when moving from OO to MS Office.  If you use latex and beamer then there is no need to either ;-). I 

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The actual free alternative is called libreoffice, the successor of openoffice after it was taken over by Oracle - a company, in my personal opinion, is by orders of magnitudes less 'free' than microsoft. On 09/30/2011 11:42 AM, Adam Ralph wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Johan Turkenburg
Rather than crossover office we now use VirutalBox and have a Windows XP installation with Office for those of us who can't live without it. You can backup the virtual machine (which is simply a big file) for the virtual OS before you do an upgrade of your host OS (Ubuntu in my case) and copy that

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Kevin Cowtan
On 09/29/2011 03:55 PM, Dima Klenchin wrote: I have a feeling that the lack of Windows software continues to be mostly due to the irrational animosity toward it rather than the platform-specific issues. After all, there seemed to be many developers who were happy to code for MacOS 7-9 but

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread David Schuller
Yes, Open Office has forked, and LibreOffice is now the choice in Fedora Linux. I have used OpenOffice and LibreOffice, and they have some trouble with recent .docx files generated in MS Word, specifically with embedded image files. On 09/30/11 06:06, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread David Schuller
On 09/28/11 20:26, Jacqueline Vitali wrote: ... --I am happy with any Linux. However, the system needs updates for security purposes (the University requires it). Do I have to remake the NVidia driver every time there is a kernel update or is there a way around it for this NVidia card?

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Ed Pozharski
...resisted the temptation to express redundant/easily objectionable/useless opinion on the virtues of different OS environments for two days... can't hold any longer... the power of one ring is too strong... the only useful suggestion on automatic update of proprietary nvidia drivers has already

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread William Scott
opinion on the virtues of different OS environments for two days It might be of interest to look back on the original poster's question, because all she asked were a few questions about a specific computer (HP Z210 8 GB with a low end Quadro Nvidia 400 512 MB) running any Linux, and a

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Francis E Reyes
Bill Thanks for focusing the thread to the original poster: If you're going to go OSX I would wary away from the iMac. The all-in-one desktop solution in small form factor has its downfalls, particularly when the mechanical disk (undoubtedly) fails. I have an iMac from 2007 and the

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Adrian Goldman
I would disagree about the disk issue. That's not the failure mode we have seen in the iMacs. Fwiw. Anyway, if it were to fail you could just attach an external disk and continue merrily along - macs will boot from external FireWire (and I assume thunderbolt?) disks. We are putting money

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-30 Thread Francis E Reyes
On Sep 30, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Adrian Goldman wrote: I would disagree about the disk issue. That's not the failure mode we have seen in the iMacs. Fwiw. Anyway, if it were to fail you could just attach an external disk and continue merrily along - macs will boot from external FireWire (and

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato
On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:48 AM, Nat Echols wrote: I don't know of any macromolecular crystallography programs that don't run on Mac - Hey there, does this mean that SHARP works on a Mac? ciao, s -- Sebastiano Pasqualato, PhD Crystallography Unit IFOM-IEO Campus Cogentech - Consortium for

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Yes, SHARP and BUSTER both work on a Mac. Cheers, Dirk. Am 29.09.11 09:45, schrieb Sebastiano Pasqualato: On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:48 AM, Nat Echols wrote: I don't know of any macromolecular crystallography programs that don't run on Mac - Hey there, does this mean that SHARP works on a Mac?

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato
Thanks Dirk, that's good news. I'll take a look at it, then. thanks, ciao, s On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: Yes, SHARP and BUSTER both work on a Mac. Cheers, Dirk. Am 29.09.11 09:45, schrieb Sebastiano Pasqualato: On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:48 AM, Nat Echols wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Simon Kolstoe
I am routinely having the Mac vs Linux conversation with crystallographers and new students, especially given the price of Macs. Generally I think that the extra money spent on a Mac pays for less time spent messing around installing software, sorting out dependencies, swearing at the less

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi Sebastiano, On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:52:44AM +0200, Sebastiano Pasqualato wrote: does this mean that SHARP works on a Mac? yes (since 2004), same for BUSTER (since 2009) and autoPROC. Cheers Clemens -- *** * Clemens

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Johan Turkenburg
This discussion will rage forever, it seems, but that won't stop us all chipping in. My experience is the opposite: all crystallographic software I use is available as binaries for the major linux distros, and installs without problems. Ubuntu is easy to maintain on desktops (your mileage on

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
Le 29/09/2011 11:43, Johan Turkenburg a écrit : This discussion will rage forever, it seems, but that won't stop us all chipping in. My experience is the opposite: all crystallographic software I use is available as binaries for the major linux distros, and installs without problems. Ubuntu is

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Lucas
2011/9/29 Simon Kolstoe s.kols...@ucl.ac.uk: Generally I think that the extra money spent on a Mac pays for less time spent messing around installing software, sorting out dependencies, swearing at the less than effective office software etc. that plagues Linux which is more of a computer

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Dima Klenchin
Simon Kolstoe wrote: Meanwhile I think windows is slowly improving as a crystallography platform - and Microsoft is perhaps no longer hated in principle - however the one student in our lab who opted to go the windows route seems very limited in the software he can run. I have a feeling

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Bosch, Juergen
There's one piece of software that does not run on a Mac. GRAPHent I tried some years ago to port it to a Mac without success, that's the only reason I have a dead PC (*technically it has Windows on it but I call it dead as long as no linux is installed) in my office waiting to get some flavor

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread George M. Sheldrick
I do all my program development on Linux and never liked Windows. However I recently attended two small-molecule crystallographic workshops where the large majority of the participants used exclusively Windows, and the ones who didn't use Windows used mostly Macs. I think the decisive advantage of

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Cleveland
Hi, I have been extremely happy with the latest Ubuntu release, on both a Toshiba tablet (the touch screen worked right out of the box) and on a desktop with the proprietary NVIDIA driver. I haven't had to update, so I don't know what happens with the NVIDIA driver in that case, but I can tell

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:55:43 pm George M. Sheldrick wrote: I do all my program development on Linux and never liked Windows. However I recently attended two small-molecule crystallographic workshops where the large majority of the participants used exclusively Windows, and the ones

[ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-28 Thread Jacqueline Vitali
Dear colleagues, I need some advice for a new computer. (1) I have the option of an HP Z210 8 GB with a low end Quadro Nvidia 400 512 MB. --How does Coot run with this card? --I am happy with any Linux. However, the system needs updates for security purposes (the University requires it). Do

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-28 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Jacqueline Vitali jackie.vit...@gmail.comwrote: (2) Second option is an IMAC 4 GB 2.5 GHz with AMD Radeon HD 6750M 512 MB GDDRS. --How does Coot work with this graphics card? I don't have exactly this, but something very similar (6770M), and it works very

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-28 Thread William G. Scott
On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Jacqueline Vitali wrote: Dear colleagues, I need some advice for a new computer. (1) I have the option of an HP Z210 8 GB with a low end Quadro Nvidia 400 512 MB. --How does Coot run with this card? OK --I am happy with any Linux. However, the

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-28 Thread Roger Rowlett
I use home built LINUX Intel boxes with 2Gb memory and low end Nvidia cards (GT 8000 series to GT 200 series) and they are fine with Coot, Pymol, CCP4i. I can even run CrysalisPro (Windows) in WINE. More memory is cheap to add. If you use a Ubuntu LTS release, you get 3 yr of updates. Proprietary

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-28 Thread Francois Berenger
On 09/29/2011 09:46 AM, William G. Scott wrote: On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Jacqueline Vitali wrote: Dear colleagues, I need some advice for a new computer. (1) I have the option of an HP Z210 8 GB with a low end Quadro Nvidia 400 512 MB. --How does Coot run with this card? OK --I am