aumentar más sus bolsillos y
usarnos como elemento de beneficio personal de ellos.
CentOS = RedHat = Opresión.
Saludos,
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> On Aug 20, 2022, at 9:50 AM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:
>
. . .
> Is there a way to measure the bottleneck or slowness for the below setup?
> For example is the slowness on any one of the below list?
>
> 1. Client Desktop Mac
> 2. Network
> 3. Remote Server CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009
.
On 6/20/22 15:35, Mike Burger wrote:
On 2022-06-20 09:38, Pete Biggs wrote:
On Mon, 2022-06-20 at 09:20 -0400, Mike Burger wrote:
On 2022-06-20 05:03, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-06-20 at 09:31 +0100, david allan finch wrote:
> > Is there an rpm of GCC 12 (or at least high
Is there an rpm of GCC 12 (or at least higher than 9) available to
download and install, or is it a case of downloading and build from the
source yourself?
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2-02 22:08:37 dpchrist@tinkywinky ~
$ cat centos-h.sh
#!/bin/bash
txt="... foo ..."
echo "$txt" > tmp.txt
perl -pe 's/foo/bar/g' tmp.txt >> somefile.txt
2022-02-02 22:08:46 dpchrist@tinkywinky ~
$ bash centos-h.sh
2022-02-02 22:08:53 dpchrist@tinkywinky ~
$ cat somefile.txt
this is the contents of somefile.
some more contents.
... bar ...
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Hello NIki,
Juste enable postfix-sasl in jail.conf:
[postfix-sasl]
filter = postfix[mode=auth]
port = smtp,465,submission,imap,imaps,pop3,pop3s
logpath = %(postfix_log)s
backend = %(postfix_backend)s
enabled = true
maxretry = 3
findtime = 172800
bantime = 3600
And enable recidive too:
On Sat, 2021-03-13 at 17:34 -0500, David McGuffey wrote:
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 17:28, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:03:54AM -0500, David McGuffey wrote:
> > > I have a Nikon slide scanner (very high quality) for which the
> > > so
ntOS mailing list
>>CentOS@centos.org
>>https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
>
>
> One reason might be that somewhere between 7.3 and 7.9, Centos ceased
> being bootable on Apple hardware. At least that failure occurred for
> me on two machines.
>
> David
&
rdware. At least that failure occurred for
me on two machines.
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I have resolved my “issue.” It would appear that CentOS 8 Stream for aarch64
does not support `t4g.nano` instance sizes. Once I moved to t4g.small, my SSH
login worked as expected.
Sorry to bother!
smime.p7s
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ecting to the CentOS Stream AMI spun for aarch64?
Thank you!
David Lemcoe Jr.
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On Mar 13, 2021, at 17:28, Jon LaBadie wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:03:54AM -0500, David McGuffey wrote:
>> I have a Nikon slide scanner (very high quality) for which the software
>> has not been updated. It last ran on WinXP SP3 and I was not able to
>> g
I have a Nikon slide scanner (very high quality) for which the software
has not been updated. It last ran on WinXP SP3 and I was not able to
get it to run under Win 7 and certainly not Win 10.
Anyone know where I can obtain images of this old OS to run in CentOS 7
under kvm?
Dave McGuffey
Lo que no entiendo es: ¿hay que suscribirse a que servicio/plan/promoción?
Yo la verdad es que no seguía de cerca lo que hacía Red Hat, salvo que por
CentOS
Saludos,
David
El mié, 17 feb 2021 a las 12:59, Ricardo J. Barberis ()
escribió:
> Buenas,
>
> La suscripcion con hasta 16
... pues haganle caso
Saludos,
David
El lun, 8 feb 2021 a las 13:09, Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez, Mg. via
CentOS-es () escribió:
> El 8/2/21 a las 10:55, Javier Aquino escribió:
> > Alternativas a CentOS:
> Y alma Linux, que ya tiene el beta y seguro pronto sale la de producci
Aunque el soporte si está, porque ellos publican los SRPM que al final es
como si fuera el soporte. Bueno soporte de software...
Saludos,
David
El lun, 1 feb 2021 a las 22:45, Victor Padro () escribió:
> Estas en lo correcto, puedes utilizar hasta 16 instancias en desarrollo,
> qa, produc
Bueno esto lo vi y me pareció interesante...
https://www.muylinux.com/2021/01/21/red-hat-enterprise-linux-gratis-hasta-16-servidores/
Creo que con esta decisión no hay mucho de que preocuparse.
Saludos,
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At 07:04 AM 1/6/2021, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021, Kenneth Porter wrote:
--On Tuesday, January 05, 2021 7:40 PM -0800 david wrote:
In examining the file
/etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf
I see the text line:
ssl_cipher_list = PROFILE=SYSTEM
Yet, I cannot find any documentation
on other distros. Can
anyone point me to an explanation?
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mirar a otra dirección... CentOS Stream se
convierte en algo así como un Debian SID inapropiado para un servidor de
producción, aunque nadie ni nada te lo impide... Yo no pondría un SID, un
Fedora o cualquier otra distro que al menos no tenga un TTL de unos 5 años
como servidor.
Saludos,
David
El
Ya firmé, pero lo que pasa es que CentOS está agarrada por los hue por
el tema que Red Hat es dueño de ellos... así que en si Red Hat dice no, es
no...
Saludos,
David
El jue, 17 dic 2020 a las 23:28, Peter Q. () escribió:
> Bonjour,
> Je viens de signer la pétition "CentOS Gove
Bueno no estoy de acuerdo Rene, una de las virtudes del software libre es
que puede ser gratis... y ojo no digo que es gratis, sino que puede ser
gratis. Para existe el concepto de DONACIÓN cosa que nosotros los latinos
nos cuesta mucho o un poco...
Saludos,
David
El jue, 17 dic 2020 a las 21:00
Había otra interesante...
ClearOS
https://www.clearos.com/
Saludos,
David
El mar, 15 dic 2020 a las 2:14, Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez, Mg. via
CentOS-es () escribió:
> Les conozco, les uso. Que les vaya bien!
>
>
> https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driv
equeños servicios sea super;
pero algo con cierta estabilidad y requerimientos de producción altos; no
se puede confiar en una cuestión de orden no estable. No se pienso muchas
cosas... ahora lo que más me preocupan son mis centrales telefónicas
Isabel...
Saludos,
David
ver que Debian en su versión SID ya viene
haciendo rolling release, SID no ha cambiado de ser SID y es claro que
muchas cosas no funcionan ahí y otras pues costará más que se actualicen;
sin embargo es el modelo.
Rocky podría ser una variante, si realmente la comunidad a
diferente; pero
mantiene una filosofía parecida a Debian.
Y bueno al final CentOS fue una opción interesante durante algunos años;
por suerte Software Libre es muy grande
Saludos,
David
El sáb, 12 dic 2020 a las 0:18, Sergio Belkin () escribió:
> El vie., 11 dic. 2020 14:35, José Roberto A
Alguien sabe de esto
https://centos.rip/
Saludos,
David
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at least.
David
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h are installed.
Is there such?
Gui-Confused
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ere, but I can't find any evidence.
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At 07:10 PM 10/28/2020, Kenneth Porter wrote:
--On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 5:34 PM -0700 david wrote:
During initial setup, I'd like to avoid the manual actions of logging on
as root and executing a command, but instead have that command run
without intervention.
"During initial
At 04:47 PM 10/28/2020, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:34:32 -0700
david wrote:
> Is there a way to reboot and have a script run without
> intervention.
rc.local
--
Alas, I think rc.local has become irrelevant with systemd, which is
most Linux distros is the way f
on the terminal that initiated the reboot.
Security is not a concern here. And I don't want to invoke
high-powered functions like "jumpstart".
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would like to modify detail found here:
https://wiki.centos.org/Cloud/AWS
I would also like to add my name to the members list for the Cloud
Instance SIG to signal my intent to participate in the SIG.
https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/CloudInstance
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-erase-a-specific-range-of-sectors-on-the-hard-disk/
Also, use wipefs -a (Gordon Messmer answered faster than me)
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 3:18 PM david wrote:
> Folks
>
> I've encountered situations where I want to reuse a hard-drive. I do
> not want to preserve anything on the dr
akes days.
And by the way, I typically use only WD disks, not seagate.
Thanks for the confirmation.
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oes anyone have an
efficient way to erase structures from a disk such that it can be reused?
Something like
-erase first N blocks (block defined as 4096)
- Erase blocks starting at block
- erase last blocks
At least such an algorithm would be quicker than erasing 8 TB of da
le. I end up with a blank screen, no
grub anything. I have also been unable to
recover from this. Therefore, that exclude line stays.
I'm sorry about the delay in responding; I wanted
to verify this on a 'crash-and-burn' MacMini.
David
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At 05:01 PM 8/4/2020, you wrote:
Am 05.08.20 um 01:27 schrieb david:
At 04:18 PM 8/4/2020, you wrote:
Am 05.08.20 um 01:09 schrieb david:
At 01:54 PM 8/4/2020, you wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:44:05 -0700
david wrote:
> After all the updates, the system was NOT bootable.
How long did
At 04:18 PM 8/4/2020, you wrote:
Am 05.08.20 um 01:09 schrieb david:
At 01:54 PM 8/4/2020, you wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:44:05 -0700
david wrote:
> After all the updates, the system was NOT bootable.
How long did you wait for it to boot, and what
did it do when it failed to boot? W
At 01:54 PM 8/4/2020, you wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:44:05 -0700
david wrote:
> After all the updates, the system was NOT bootable.
How long did you wait for it to boot, and what did it do when it
failed to boot? What text messages showed up on the console? Any
reported errors when
mokutil
and ended up with a usable system.
This was not the result I was hoping for.
David
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I do wrong? I must admit that there are multiple copies of
advice on the mailing list, so perhaps I followed the wrong one?
--
So now, I tried the 'repair' mechanism, but couldn't make that work
either. So, it was back to initial from-scra
helpful.
4) I haven't experimented yet with centos 8 because the hardware is
remote and requires me to get a friend involved to help. My local
hardware is not supported by Centos 8, so it will remain on Centos 7
until I replace the hardware or switch to a different Linux.
David
At 07:57 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 10:20, david wrote:
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> > >> Yes .. it should be on mirror.centos.org now .. you could change the
> > >> repo where your updates come from.Ã OR
.. wait for that mirror to g
n all'
did it, or maybe just showed up.
>
> I applied the update (yum update), rebooted and...
> no boot. Just a blank screen.
>
> Hardware is a Mac-Mini :-(
>
> This is not an essential machine, so I could re-install (from
> netinstall) if you think it's worth the effort
n all'
did it, or maybe just showed up.
>
> I applied the update (yum update), rebooted and...
> no boot. Just a blank screen.
>
> Hardware is a Mac-Mini :-(
>
> This is not an essential machine, so I could re-install (from
> netinstall) if you think it's worth the effort
At 06:37 AM 8/2/2020, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 8/2/20 8:30 AM, david wrote:
> At 06:10 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote:
>> On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> > I'll post here again once we have pushed th
At 06:10 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote:
On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote:
>
>>
>
>
>
>> > I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and CentOS Stream
>> updates.
>>
>> OK .. I have also now pushed the CentOS Linux 8 update .. you should
nd by the way, I'm amazed at the speed with which this problem was
addressed and a fix provided. You guys work wonders.
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At 01:03 PM 8/1/2020, you wrote:
On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote:
At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi wrote:
Hi Johnny,
thank you very much for clarification.
You said that in the centos infrastructure only one server got the problem.
What are the conditions that permit the breakage
:-(
Apparently, the SHIM/GRUB bug has hit both Centos 7 and 8.
Too bad Ubuntu is enough different that makes it hard to switch.
David
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simply fails to
boot. I don't even get a grub screen. I'll have to rebuild the
systems from scratch.
David
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Since I'm using the -I command (insert at top), it means
the log request is entered second:
iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 22 -i
{name-of-internal-interface} -j LOG --log-prefix "LOOK HERE"
If someone can suggest a firewall-cmd equivalent, it would be ni
At 12:30 PM 6/16/2020, John Pierce wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:26 PM david wrote:
>
> Examples of what I've tried, and then tested. None of them stopped
> an outgoing SSH from an internal system.
>
>iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j DROP
>ip
--dport 22 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j DROP
iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j DROP
Much thanks
David
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Entonces si creo que será tu herramienta... Pero no se me ocurre que puedas
hacer pues por lo general en los servidor no pongo interfase grafica. Lo
que implica que toda conexion a este hago por SSH
Saludos,
David
El lun., 1 jun. 2020 a las 16:56, Alex (Servtelecom) (<
alex.
configurado. Eso es lo que te permitirá usar el teclado de
tu PC de forma completa.
Saludos,
David
El lun., 1 jun. 2020 a las 15:38, Alex (Servtelecom) (<
alex.and...@servtelecom.com>) escribió:
> Gracias por tu rapida respuesta, utilizo el rdesktop del propio windowd 10
> que
Probablemente sea la distribución de teclado de tu cliente y no de tu xrdp
Saludos,
David
El lun., 1 jun. 2020 a las 15:23, Alex (Servtelecom) (<
alex.and...@servtelecom.com>) escribió:
> Buenas tardes, he instalado xrdp en Centos 7 y por defecto funciona todo
> lo que no me funci
Yo aconsejaría 100% un servidor de sftp en vez de ftps... es algo muy
parecido pero utiliza el protocolo SSH y será mucho más seguro que el
propio ftp y el 100% de las herramientas actuales ya soportan este
protocolo.
Saludos,
David
El lun., 1 jun. 2020 a las 14:22, Roberto Bermúdez ()
escribió
Hi,
It seems that kernel-2.6.32-754.29.2 has not been announced on the
maillist. https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2020:2103
Regards,
DH
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- Original Message -
> From: "david"
> To: "CentOS mailing list" , centos@centos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 1:34:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Can't move to Centos 8
> At 01:25 PM 5/13/2020, James Szinger wrote:
>>On Tue, 12 May 2020 1
At 01:25 PM 5/13/2020, James Szinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:42:25 -0700 david wrote:
> Folks
>
> I've been trying to convert my systems to Centos 8, seeing the EOL on
> the horizon a few years away. One of my systems is a Mac-Mini, and
> support for that has been dis
, such as the newer laptops and servers.
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/dev/mapper/ | grep
-B6 'save percentage'
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 9:54 PM david wrote:
> Folks
>
> I'm looking for a solution for backups because ZFS has failed on me
> too many times. In my environment, I have a large amount of data
>
BTW: I think the 's
-verbose and extract the number titled "1K-blocks used"
Divide the first by the second.
Can you provide any advice on my use of ZFS or VDO without telling me
that I should be doing backups differently?
Thanks
David
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it be too much to ask that there be one format
across the distributions. I suspect that SHA256 is going to be an
acceptable digest for a few years.
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error messages are just Timeout, there is nothing in dmesg, or
journal that suggests anything.
I am now a complete lost to what is happening and why.
Regards
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were
several things I had to deal with:
- new firewall
- new mailer (sendmail -> postfix)
- new system management (systemd)
- new yum (introduction of software streams, whatever they are)
But, it keeps me busy during this lockdown time.
David
San F
On 4/3/20 6:13 AM, miguel medalha wrote:
I have been using rsnapshot for years, with great success.
https://rsnapshot.org/
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Since no one else has mentioned it
seems to work best
for you. I chose 'minimal', because I have
scripts that install just what I want.
It's beyond me why it takes 600 megs, but at
least it fits on a CD (if anyone still uses
them). And it does work on at least one physical
box and a VirtualBox VM on windows.
David
Hi Robert -
I'm running it successfully on C7 using xinetd. Do you have
documentation for running it directly from systemd? Working xinetd
configuration:
cat /etc/xinetd.d/amanda
# default: off
# description: The client for the Amanda backup system.\
# This must be on for
Esto es problema de tu gestor de correos... probaste en tus preferencias
poner que los mensajes siempre son HTML?
Saludos,
David
El jue., 30 ene. 2020 a las 16:16, VICTOR MANUEL VARGAS GONZALEZ (<
victor...@hotmail.com>) escribió:
>
> Buenas Tardes
>
> Me podrian apoyar con
the confirming dialogs, the installer complains
that it was unable to save the information to the disk. A similar
attempt using Centos-7 netinstall successfully rewrites the
SSD. This failure also occurs when I boot the Centos-8.1-dvd.
Is there something else I should be doing?
Thanks
David
, the installer complains that it was
unable to save the information to the disk. A similar attempt using
Centos-7 netinstall successfully rewrites the SSD. This failure also
occurs when I boot the Centos-8.1-dvd.
Is there something else I should be doing?
Thanks
David
subscription, but still can't get to the solution page. Oh well.
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ying
to help. If I might be so bold as to suggest
that somehow workarounds for RedHat problems that
would show up in the corresponding CentOS release
be made visible to the Centos community to avoid duplication of effort.
Thanks for the research.
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On 1/22/20 11:04 AM, david wrote:
At 08:05 PM 1/21/2020, you wrote:
> On 1/21/20 10:10 AM, david wrote:
>> At 08:52 AM 1/21/2020, David G. Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 1/21/20 9:35 AM, david wrote:
>>>> Folks
>>>>
>>>> In a test Ce
At 08:05 PM 1/21/2020, you wrote:
> On 1/21/20 10:10 AM, david wrote:
>> At 08:52 AM 1/21/2020, David G. Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 1/21/20 9:35 AM, david wrote:
>>>> Folks
>>>>
>>>> In a test Centos 8 installation as
At 08:10 AM 1/22/2020, you wrote:
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 08:35:14AM -0800, david wrote:
> yum list installed
>
> and the following diagnostics occur:
> ---
> Modular dependency problems:
>
> Problem 1: conflicting requests
> - nothing p
On 1/21/20 10:10 AM, david wrote:
At 08:52 AM 1/21/2020, David G. Miller wrote:
On 1/21/20 9:35 AM, david wrote:
Folks
In a test Centos 8 installation as a guest of VirtualBox on Windows
10, I want to install ffmpeg, and support for exfat. They're not in
the standard distribution (as far
At 08:52 AM 1/21/2020, David G. Miller wrote:
On 1/21/20 9:35 AM, david wrote:
Folks
In a test Centos 8 installation as a guest of
VirtualBox on Windows 10, I want to install
ffmpeg, and support for exfat. They're not in
the standard distribution (as far as I know), so I issue as root
On 1/21/20 9:35 AM, david wrote:
Folks
In a test Centos 8 installation as a guest of VirtualBox on Windows
10, I want to install ffmpeg, and support for exfat. They're not in
the standard distribution (as far as I know), so I issue as root:
yum -y --enablerepo rpmfusion-free-updates
? What am I supposed to do about it?
Thanks for your help
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I just had to unexpectedly wait a few months.
- Thanks
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At 03:27 PM 1/17/2020, Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:16 PM david wrote:
>
> Folks
>
> I know that support for the network adaptors supported by the 'e1000'
> driver have been removed from the base distribution. However, I have
> exactly that controller (Broadco
At 03:27 PM 1/17/2020, Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:16 PM david wrote:
>
> Folks
>
> I know that support for the network adaptors supported by the 'e1000'
> driver have been removed from the base distribution. However, I have
> exactly that controller (Broadco
in an RPM package?
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Philippe,
What's the output with '--allowerasing' switch?
We are experiencing a similar issue, dnf update:
...
Problem 53: problem with installed package
perl-Encode-devel-4:2.97-3.el8.x86_64
- package perl-Encode-devel-4:2.97-3.el8.x86_64 requires
perl-Encode(x86-64) = 4:2.97-3.el8, but none
Hi,
You can drop it before FW with blackhole route.
DH
čt 9. 1. 2020 v 7:21 odesílatel Thomas Stephen Lee
napsal:
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:07 AM H wrote:
>
> > I am being attacked by an entire subnet where the first two parts of the
> > IP address remain identical but the last two parts
On 12/22/19 6:01 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:34:32AM +1100, Bill Maidment wrote:
On 23/12/2019 11:06 am, Fred Smith wrote:
I can find no way to do it with pavucontrol, nor the default mate
sound tool.
In my SL7 Mate system I use the Hardware and Output tabs in
On 12/3/19 8:46 AM, Jerry Geis wrote:
I am experiencing an issue that my process does not wake out of a select()
call when a single character is received in an input file descriptor when
running as a VMware guest.
Anyone ever experienced this ?
I can run tshark and see the character arrive,
Hi,
You can try the 'chage' command.
Regards
Gestió Servidors schrieb am Do., 31. Okt. 2019,
13:17:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if it is possible to configure a password that
> expires, once user has logged, after 2 hours, for example.
>
> Thanks.
>
On 10/26/19 6:07 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 07:08:02PM +1100, Bill Maidment wrote:
On 26/10/2019 12:08 pm, David G. Miller wrote:
The corresponding system-config-printer rpm from Fedora 28 appears to
work. Not the best solution but a solution.
But no longer available
80]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:2723]
(rev 1a)
I believe the Intel AX200 Wifi card is the device 8086:2723 (rev1a) entry.
Is there something I can do to enable it or is this a bug I need to file
with RedHat?
- Thanks in Advance
- David Summers
The corresponding system-config-printer rpm from Fedora 28 appears to
work. Not the best solution but a solution.
Cheers,
Dave
On 10/25/19 5:33 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:17:53 +1100
Bill Maidment wrote:
I have also got MATE 1.22.2 running, but I don't have access to
On 10/22/19 10:55 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Hello Experts!
I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already.
My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often
used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or
what else one needs to do after
On 10/21/19 1:00 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
On 10/21/19 6:02 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
On 10/11/19 7:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote:
On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 15:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
As of now, I have a working MATE DM on CentOS 8. It's a hack though,
I
used
On 10/11/19 7:46 PM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote:
On Wed, 2019-09-25 at 15:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
As of now, I have a working MATE DM on CentOS 8. It's a hack though,
I
used Fedora repositories. But that means compiling MATE in EPEL
should
be straightforward, just
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