Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/16/2011 07:55 AM, Christopher Chan piše: On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Yves Bellefeuille wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I may have exaggerated the figure, but I don't believe it is as low as that.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Christopher Chan wrote: I find it very hard to believe that 90% of Chinese are using desktops. What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? There must be billions of them. Farmers/peasants have phones? All those girls tweeting? Aren't you confusing Japan with China?

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:44:26AM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: I think your image of China is rather out-of-date. I have a novel suggestion. As this has absolutely NOTHING to do with CentOS (like usual) how about taking it to private e-mail?

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/16/2011 12:36 PM, Timothy Murphy piše: Yves Bellefeuille wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I may have exaggerated the

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 07:44 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Christopher Chan wrote: I find it very hard to believe that 90% of Chinese are using desktops. What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? There must be billions of them. Farmers/peasants have phones? All those

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Drew
Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into crawl mode), heat (if you really run it in your lap as the name infers) and that

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread m . roth
Drew wrote: Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into nsip And the funny thing, from my perspective at least, is that I'm

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 08:54:31AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Well, yes, I can think of a hell of a lot of things that *beat* -working- at home in your living room, which suggests that you're doing well over 40 hours/week. Been there, done that, actually have a t-shirt. Do it again for

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Mihai T. Lazarescu
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 05:39:28AM -0800, Drew wrote: Agreed! The cramped screen space (I run dual vid cards in sli with 4 monitors with development apps spread all over them!), sluggish response (open what I have running on my work station and any laptop goes into crawl mode), heat (if

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread John Hinton
On 11/16/2011 6:36 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Yves Bellefeuille wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I may have exaggerated the figure,

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
On 16 November 2011 14:02, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: So not only does the overall SNR leave, well, everything to be desired but not we are tolerating this type of language? Good job - you've made an already useless list that much worse. You rule. As much as I detest people

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Benjamin Donnachie benja...@py-soft.co.uk wrote: On 16 November 2011 14:02, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: So not only does the overall SNR leave, well, everything to be desired but not we are tolerating this type of language?  Good job -

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/16/2011 04:18 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan piše: Centos has much larger installed base than upstream provider. Internet facing systems (market share of web servers) and Install base are not the same thing. MANY RHEL installations never ever see the light of day, so Not true. Also,

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
On 16 Nov 2011, at 15:19, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote: hmm... Strom over a teacup My reply concerned the huge amount of drivel being posted to this list. The topic is supposedly CentOS - not stressed sysadmins sounding off. Simples really. Ben Sent from my iPhone

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Rob Kampen
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/16/2011 07:55 AM, Christopher Chan piše: On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE (yeah, go

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:20:55 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: ---Executing: recode Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/16/2011 07:55 AM, Christopher Chan pise: On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: If no smartphones gets broken and/or replaced, they could reach number of PC users (50%) in one year. Realistically it will take them 2-3 years to reach those numbers. BUT, I have 2 phones (one of them is Android), 1 desktop PC and 1 laptop. And 95-97% of

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:56 AM, Alan McKay piše: Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither is perfect. That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 (and so long ago at that)?

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). Thanks very much for that. I found your account most interesting and informative. I guess one question that I've never seen

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2011 01:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). Thanks very much for that. I found your account most interesting and

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Timothy Murphy
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Fedora is basically an incubator for new technologies and as such not really an attractive system to install for end-users. If you deal with servers you probably go with CentOS, SL, Debian, etc. and if you want a desktop you probably use Ubuntu. I don't really

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have a Core i7 Quad combined

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Clark
On 11/15/2011 09:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 01:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: snip I saw statistics - I don't remember where - saying that CentOS had 30% of the Linux market, which I found very surprising, Wow! though also satsifying (to me). SL had a tiny share. (I

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have a Core i7 Quad combined with much more and

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Timothy Murphy wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have a Core i7 Quad

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 11/15/2011 06:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Mobile devices still have *under* 6% of the internet browser market. See http://www.netmarketshare.com/ -- Benjamin Franz

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Rob Kampen
Timothy Murphy wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have a Core i7 Quad

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 01:56 PM, Timothy Murphy piše: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). Thanks very much for that. I found your account most interesting and

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Steve Thompson
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can have

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:52 PM, Timothy Murphy piše: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE) Install PlayOnLinux (Wine installer) and install IE6 inside it. Maybe your App will work without virtual

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: The preupgrade is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually. +1 -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread John Hinton
On 11/15/2011 9:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Timothy Murphy
Benjamin Franz wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Mobile devices still have *under* 6% of the internet browser market. See http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I find it very hard to believe that 90% of Chinese are

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term desktop nowadays. I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only reboot to load a new kernel

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? I don't. Don't you think you are in a very small minority, like 1% of the world? I live in India. hmm... I am one of the

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term desktop nowadays. I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On a server, you only

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: snip Don't you think you are in a very small minority, like 1% of the world? I live in India. hmm... I am one of the 1/6th of the population in the world and I

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2011 04:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: The preupgrade is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring that it's what's coming for CentOS, eventually.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? I don't. Don't you think you are in a very small minority, like 1% of the world? I live in India. hmm... I am one of the 1/6th of the population

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2011 02:56 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Fedora is basically an incubator for new technologies and as such not really an attractive system to install for end-users. If you deal with servers you probably go with CentOS, SL, Debian, etc. and if you want a

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 04:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: The preupgrade is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now building boxes here with 500M instead of 100M root partitions, figuring that it's what's

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Chris Geldenhuis
Steve Thompson wrote: On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphygayle...@eircom.net wrote: Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term desktop nowadays. I always think of it as a contrast to laptop. 'Desktop' is in

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'.  On a server, you only reboot to load a new kernel and you never use the console display, rarely change Oh, I dunno - it's not infrequently that I have to plug in a monitor-on-a-stick You

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphygayle...@eircom.net wrote: Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term desktop nowadays. I always think of it as a contrast

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2011 05:40 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 04:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 03:46 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us piše: The preupgrade is what I've been using the last year, and why I'm now building boxes here with 500M instead of

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Chris Geldenhuis chris.gel...@iafrica.com wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Timothy Murphy wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: been there, done that. I will be 49 years old, come mid-January 2012 I have just terminated your name -- to

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.11.2011 15:52, schrieb Timothy Murphy: Reindl Harald wrote: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true! why in the world should i use a laptop in my office if i can

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they know, and if the budget's tight Then you probably don't run Fedora - the 'desktop' oriented distribution, or care much for the non-backwards compatible

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 11/15/2011 05:55 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphygayle...@eircom.net wrote: Incidentally, I don't really understand what is meant by the term

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread John Hodrien
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: In the US, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, that you will buy them electronic devices. My wife doesn't even have an iPod yet, does that make me a bad person? ;) I'd say: In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means,

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread John Hodrien
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Obviously if you don't have IPMI on some systems or cannot use it for other reasons then that's tragic but inevitable. All I'm saying is that for new system you should strongly consider it. Back in the days you actually needed to buy an

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 06:06 PM, Reindl Harald piše: from where is the dumb assumption that There is no need for that. Mailing lists are for discussing, forums are for insulting and flame wars :D -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote: Laptops are very much entertainment and educational devices. Things useful at home even if you aren't interested in

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I don't agree with that. Some people do want to keep running what they know, and if the budget's tight Then you probably don't run Fedora - the 'desktop' oriented distribution, or care much for the

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 05:58 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn piše: With an upgrade path between major versions Red Hat will become responsible for that and I'm not sure they are willing to bear that burden for all the possible various installations out there. I do not think they will, but 500MB boot

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 05:55 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 11/15/2011 05:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Timothy Murphygayle...@eircom.net wrote: 'Desktop' is in contrast to 'server'. On

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: snip I'd say: In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, finding ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. It just got worse here with the Kindle fire release.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread John R Pierce
On 11/15/11 6:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. to state the obvious, 50% of people are below average. mcdonalds sells more hamburgers than (pick-your-favorite-chophouse) sells steaks.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread John R Pierce
On 11/15/11 7:41 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: What about all those girls tweeting on the bus to school? twitter is for twits. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:27 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Why don't you call your Congresscritter and Senator, and tell them you personally want to donate the money to replace everything we have that doesn't have IPMI, and pay for the time install and cable it all up? That would

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Vreme: 11/15/2011 07:04 PM, John R Pierce piše: On 11/15/11 6:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. to state the obvious, 50% of people are below average.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, finding ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. It just got worse here with the Kindle fire release.  Aside from being a nice toy it will have an account

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Marcio Carneiro
Make centos a new distro and forget about rh 2011/11/14 Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com These seems to me to be the first message in the series and provides a really good summary of the changes at Red Hat which seem to be making life a lot more difficult for CentOS. Just figured I'd pull it

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:52 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Hell, no, I don't run fedora. I've got three or four users, and my manager on one of his systems, who do. I *LOATHE* it, with all the grief upgrades have given me. And, correspondingly, you probably don't really run any 'desktop'

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Rajagopal Swaminathan
Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM,  m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: And $200 for a book reader? That's a fantastic price for a color tablet - they are almost certainly losing money on it. Dear Les, Look at Per

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
On 15 Nov 2011, at 18:33, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: thats not amazon's target demographic, anyways. whats your point? Here we go again. What does any of this have to do with CentOS, the topic of this list? Does every thread have to degenerate into bickering? If only my iPhone

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote: And $200 for a book reader? That's a fantastic price for a color tablet - they are almost certainly losing money on it. Dear Les, Look at Per capita monthly income of other countries: less that USD 100.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Craig White
On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: or don't you remember them deleting 1984? That wasn't censorship, it was correcting an error with appropriate refunds. I don't think they are particularly evil or controlling,

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (WHOA)

2011-11-15 Thread david
Hasn't this discussion drifted from the initial topic? I'm sure the price of tablets, of phone service, etc., are interesting to some, but PULEEZZE, look at the topic and ask is the message contributing to the understanding of changes at RedHat confounding CentOS David

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (WHOA)

2011-11-15 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39:12AM -0800, david wrote: Hasn't this discussion drifted from the initial topic? Until various repeat offenders on this list are moderated or otherwise dealt with this nonsense is going to keep on happening. I wonder if their employers are aware of the time spent on

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (WHOA)

2011-11-15 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:10, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: Until various repeat offenders on this list are moderated or otherwise dealt with this nonsense is going to keep on happening. The signal to noise ratio has always been pretty low on this list but lately it has become so

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Craig White
On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Alan McKay wrote: Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither is perfect. That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 (and so long ago at

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote: On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Alan McKay wrote: Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither is perfect. That's

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Nataraj
On 11/15/2011 06:42 AM, Steve Clark wrote: On 11/15/2011 09:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Timothy Murphy: But isn't everyone today using laptops for everyday use? this is what some braindead developers seems to think but it is not true nor will it never get true!

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: Greetings, On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:27 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Why don't you call your Congresscritter and Senator, and tell them you personally want to donate the money to replace everything we have that doesn't have IPMI, and pay for the time install and

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: In the UK, being dedicated to one's family means, among other things, finding ways to avoid buying most electronic devices. It just got worse here with the Kindle fire release.  Aside from being a nice toy it will

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 11/15/2011 06:56 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Currently, CentOS build system should be in much better shape and we will see how it will do for coming 6.2 point release (already in beta). Thanks very much for that. I found your account most interesting and

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 11/14/2011 08:56 PM, Alan McKay wrote: Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither is perfect. That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 (and so long ago at that)?

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Bob Hoffman
Johnny Hughes wrote -- We have a CR repository that has a bunch of 6.1 (and updates newer than 6.1 as well) in there. It is not like there are no updates to 6.0 released. The ISOs for 6.1 are not released, but the RPMs are. --- I was wondering if it

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: We have different goals ... and for what SL rebuilds they want to be 100% binary compatible ... but they do not want their ISOs to necessary be compatible (if, for example, they need openais and it is not upstream). But

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread John R. Dennison
I was wondering if it would be safe to just stay with the 'standard' repo for centos and wait for 6.1 that way or do you suggest adding the CR repo as a necessary event? Depends on if you feel that security updates are important to your infrastructure.

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:00 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: or don't you remember them deleting 1984? That wasn't censorship, it was correcting an error with appropriate refunds.  I don't think they are particularly evil or controlling, just very tempting. Yes, they were, They deleted it

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-15 Thread Phil Schaffner
Alan McKay wrote on 11/14/2011 09:56 PM: Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither is perfect. That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 (and so long ago at that)? At

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Yves Bellefeuille
On Tuesday 15 November 2011 09:52, Timothy Murphy wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Not over 50%, but 5,5%, according to this source: http://www.netmarketshare.com/ -- Yves Bellefeuille y...@storm.ca La Esperanta

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:41 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Benjamin Franz wrote: What percentage are using iPhones and Androids to access the internet? I'd guess it is already over 50%. Mobile devices still have *under* 6% of the internet browser market. See

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:30 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 11/15/2011 04:14 PM, Rob Kampen piše: run a virtualbox with windoze XP for a realtor app that only works on IE (yeah, go figure, we are in 2011 and they force everyone to use IE) Install PlayOnLinux (Wine

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS

2011-11-15 Thread Christopher Chan
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:38 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: Worrk is worrk (germaniK accent intended... :) ). Home is Home. Laptops are very much entertainment and educational devices. Things useful at home even if you aren't interested in technology for its own sake or using it for

[CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-14 Thread Alan McKay
These seems to me to be the first message in the series and provides a really good summary of the changes at Red Hat which seem to be making life a lot more difficult for CentOS. Just figured I'd pull it out of that thread and change the subject line. Below Johnny's email I've copied another

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-14 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Basically from what I gather, while Red Hat cannot restrict access to sources, they can restrict access to binaries.  And since CentOS has a goal of binary compatibility with upstream, they are essentially left trying to

Re: [CentOS] Changes at Red Hat confouding CentOS (was: What happened to 6.1)

2011-11-14 Thread Alan McKay
Both CentOS and Scientific Linux *aim* at 100% binary compatibility and they are both doing their best toward that goal. However, neither is perfect. That's interesting. So how is it they've managed to come out with 6.1 (and so long ago at that)? -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen