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Am 03.08.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Matthew Miller : > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 03:25:36PM +0200, hw wrote: >>> In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container >>> and I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own container. >> It was only an example. The

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On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 03:25:36PM +0200, hw wrote: > >In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container > >and I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own container. > It was only an example. The point of doing that is to use different versions > of > xterm and of emacs

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On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 02:36:33PM +0200, hw wrote: > >Trolling aside (fascist? really?), I've gotten valuable feedback from > >several people which I really appreciate. I intend to continue to > >engage with the CentOS community, because when we work on big changes > >in Fedora which may come to

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Mark Haney wrote: On 08/02/2017 10:57 AM, hw wrote: It probably makes sense under the assumption that you do pretty much everything in one container or another and that it doesn´t bother you having to switch between all the containers to do something. That would require something like a

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Mark Haney wrote: On 08/02/2017 08:27 AM, hw wrote: Jonathan Billings wrote: I’m confused, are you talking about Gentoo, Fedora, CentOS or RHEL? I´m talking about Centos here and am referring to experiences with other distributions at the same time. Like Gentoo is great but horrible to

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Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 02:04:54PM +0200, hw wrote: Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ... Trolling aside (fascist? really?), I've gotten valuable feedback from several people which I really appreciate. I intend to continue to engage with

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Mark Haney wrote: On 08/02/2017 07:36 AM, hw wrote: Don´t get me started on Fedora updates. One of the reasons to deprecate Fedora was that upgrading had turned out to be unreliable and mostly failing. Not being able to reliably upgrade disqualifies any distribution. I hate to break it to

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On 08/02/2017 11:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Mark Haney wrote: Sure there is such a thing. It's a tiled console package (tilix is what I use). In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container and I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Mark Haney wrote: Sure there is such a thing. It's a tiled console package (tilix is what I use). In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container and I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own container. Most containers I've built have been

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On 08/02/2017 10:57 AM, hw wrote: It probably makes sense under the assumption that you do pretty much everything in one container or another and that it doesn´t bother you having to switch between all the containers to do something. That would require something like a window manager turned

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It probably makes sense under the assumption that you do pretty much everything in one container or another and that it doesn´t bother you having to switch between all the containers to do something. That would require something like a window manager turned into a container manager, and it goes

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On 08/02/2017 07:27 AM, hw wrote: > Jonathan Billings wrote: >> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw wrote: >>> Are you sure that all the added complexity and implicitly giving up a >>> stable platform by providing a mess of package versions is worth it? >>> How >>> are the plans about

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On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 03:40:42PM +0200, hw wrote: > >No, this isn't it it all. Modules are sets of packages which the > >distribution creators have selected to work together; you don't compose > >modules as an end-user. > > Then maybe my understanding of packages and/or modules is wrong. > What

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Warren Young wrote: On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:56 AM, hw wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. Many bugs are

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Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:56:41PM +0200, hw wrote: Sure is: You get to manage your distribution yourself by picking the versions of packages you figure might work together, which you are supposed and required to do with Gentoo, especially when you run into yet another

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On 08/02/2017 08:27 AM, hw wrote: Jonathan Billings wrote: I’m confused, are you talking about Gentoo, Fedora, CentOS or RHEL? I´m talking about Centos here and am referring to experiences with other distributions at the same time. Like Gentoo is great but horrible to keep up to date, and

Re: [CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 02:04:54PM +0200, hw wrote: > Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ... Trolling aside (fascist? really?), I've gotten valuable feedback from several people which I really appreciate. I intend to continue to engage with the CentOS community,

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On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 01:18:39PM +0100, John Hodrien wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, hw wrote: > > > That?s what I thought, and it may still be true. Unfortunately, feedback, > > bug reports and even fixes and improvements experience so much unkindness > > or ignorance in their reception that I?m

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Jonathan Billings wrote: On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw wrote: Are you sure that all the added complexity and implicitly giving up a stable platform by providing a mess of package versions is worth it? How are the plans about dealing with bug reports, say, for squid 2.7, for

Re: [CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, hw wrote: That?s what I thought, and it may still be true. Unfortunately, feedback, bug reports and even fixes and improvements experience so much unkindness or ignorance in their reception that I?m better off finding a different solution or fixing the bug myself, with very

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Jonathan Billings wrote: On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw wrote: Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an *integration* project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers of the code in

Re: [CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On 08/02/2017 07:36 AM, hw wrote: Don´t get me started on Fedora updates. One of the reasons to deprecate Fedora was that upgrading had turned out to be unreliable and mostly failing. Not being able to reliably upgrade disqualifies any distribution. I hate to break it to you, but since

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Johnny Hughes wrote: I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work on all the time learning/testing. I just seamlessly upgraded it from Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome experience actually. Don´t get me started on Fedora updates. One

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Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:11:53PM +0100, Phil Perry wrote: The issue I have here is even if I did file a bug, and the issue were fixed, no sooner than it's fixed fedora updates to the next version and introduces a whole bunch of new bugs, and so the cycle continues. I

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Phil Perry wrote: However, I´m seeing the same bugs from years ago still unfixed in Centos. That refers to libreoffice being unusably slow. This still doesn´t seem to be fixed for Fedora, either, because it went EOL --- but I don´t know. Agree on that. My previous 10 year old el5 install ran

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On 07/31/2017 11:59 AM, Walter H. wrote: On 31.07.2017 13:23, Mark Haney wrote: Uh, I run VMWare workstation just fine on my F26 upgraded machine. No, it didn't work when I upgraded, but it's trivial to fix. http://rglinuxtech.com/?p=1939 This link gets you a running workstation in about 5

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On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 05:59:24PM +0200, Walter H. wrote: > > No, this wasn't really a Fedora issue, it's a VMWare issue. > doesn't really help me, the upgrade killed my VMware Workstation It still doesn't stop it from being a VMWare issue. VMware has kernel modules that need to be compiled

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On 31.07.2017 13:15, Johnny Hughes wrote: Running external things like VMWare Workstation (or other 3rd party custom compiled apps) is exactly what enterprise distros like RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu LTS, SUSE SLES are designed for .. running things already compiled for a long period of time while

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On 31.07.2017 13:23, Mark Haney wrote: Uh, I run VMWare workstation just fine on my F26 upgraded machine. No, it didn't work when I upgraded, but it's trivial to fix. http://rglinuxtech.com/?p=1939 This link gets you a running workstation in about 5 minutes. not really, with this I only get

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On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:56 AM, hw wrote: > > Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: >>> What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs >>> were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. >> >> Many bugs are

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On 07/31/2017 07:15 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 07/30/2017 02:07 PM, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2017 20:22, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 07/30/2017 09:41 AM, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote: I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work on all

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On 07/30/2017 02:07 PM, Walter H. wrote: > On 30.07.2017 20:22, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 07/30/2017 09:41 AM, Walter H. wrote: >>> On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote: I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work on all the time learning/testing. I just

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On 30.07.2017 20:22, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 07/30/2017 09:41 AM, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote: I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work on all the time learning/testing. I just seamlessly upgraded it from Fedora 25 to Fedora 26

Re: [CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On 07/30/2017 09:41 AM, Walter H. wrote: > On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work >> on all the time learning/testing. I just seamlessly upgraded it from >> Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands ..

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On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote: I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work on all the time learning/testing. I just seamlessly upgraded it from Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome experience actually. because of this feature to

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On 07/28/2017 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:11:53PM +0100, Phil Perry wrote: >> The issue I have here is even if I did file a bug, and the issue >> were fixed, no sooner than it's fixed fedora updates to the next >> version and introduces a whole bunch of new bugs,

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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:56:41PM +0200, hw wrote: > Sure is: You get to manage your distribution yourself by picking the > versions of packages you figure might work together, which you are > supposed and required to do with Gentoo, especially when you run into > yet another dependency

Re: [CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw wrote: > Are you sure that all the added complexity and implicitly giving up a > stable platform by providing a mess of package versions is worth it? How > are the plans about dealing with bug reports, say, for squid 2.7, for > those who need that

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> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw wrote: > >> Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the >> upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an *integration* >> project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers of >> the code in question to

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On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:11:53PM +0100, Phil Perry wrote: > The issue I have here is even if I did file a bug, and the issue > were fixed, no sooner than it's fixed fedora updates to the next > version and introduces a whole bunch of new bugs, and so the cycle > continues. I played that game for

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On 28/07/17 18:56, hw wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the

Re: [CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the upstreams. Please remember

[CentOS] Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: > What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs > were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily