Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-17 Thread Giles Coochey
On 16/09/2014 22:35, Valeri Galtsev wrote: I would use riser 1. If you use riser 2, you will create more resistance to airflow in area where already is one big heater. I assume, there are no separators of airflow going from front to end (or from middle where the set of fans are usually

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread Warren Young
On 9/16/2014 13:29, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Opinions on which slot to use? My opinion is that you should read Hot Air Rises and Heat Sinks: Everything You Know About Cooling Electronics Is Wrong by Tony Kordyban. It is quite readable, for all that it is a serious EE book. Thermal

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread m . roth
Warren Young wrote: On 9/16/2014 13:29, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Opinions on which slot to use? My opinion is that you should read Hot Air Rises and Heat Sinks: Everything You Know About Cooling Electronics Is Wrong by Tony Kordyban. It is quite readable, for all that it is a serious EE

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 9/16/2014 1:39 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: No, I cannot do the experiment. I've got to get these racked and up and running, for my users to use. They're not my toys then call the vendor(s). ask their advice... now... if this is a rack mount Dell PowerEdge server, and a

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread m . roth
John R Pierce wrote: On 9/16/2014 1:39 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: No, I cannot do the experiment. I've got to get these racked and up and running, for my users to use. They're not my toys then call the vendor(s). ask their advice... now... if this is a rack mount Dell PowerEdge

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 9/16/2014 1:48 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Thanks. I was thinking that, except for the fact that it's a 1U, and so the gap between the heat sink on the m/b and the bottom of the card is not exactly large. those 1U's tend to have a bunch of very high flow rate 80mm fans all the way across

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 9/16/2014 1:55 PM, John R Pierce wrote: 80mm fans e, 40mm, I mean. 80mm fans fit in a 2U -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread Warren Young
On 9/16/2014 14:39, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Warren Young wrote: On 9/16/2014 13:29, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Opinions on which slot to use? My opinion is that you should read Hot Air Rises and Heat Sinks: Everything You Know About Cooling Electronics Is Wrong by Tony Kordyban. It is

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread m . roth
Warren Young wrote: On 9/16/2014 14:39, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Warren Young wrote: On 9/16/2014 13:29, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Opinions on which slot to use? My opinion is that you should read Hot Air Rises and Heat Sinks: Everything You Know About Cooling Electronics Is Wrong by

Re: [CentOS] OT: hardware question

2014-09-16 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Tue, September 16, 2014 2:29 pm, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Hi, folks, I'm installing a RAID controller card for a large external RAID box in a Dell server. I've got two riser slots available. Here's the question: the controller card has some large chips on one side, and if I put it in

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-02-01 Thread Daniel Bird
On 31/01/2014 15:52, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: With the continuing annoyance from motion, my manager's asked me to go looking again for a video surveillance appliance: basically, a motion-detecting DVR and cameras. The big thing, of course, is a) price (this is a US federal gov't agency, and

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:52 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: With the continuing annoyance from motion, my manager's asked me to go looking again for a video surveillance appliance: basically, a motion-detecting DVR and cameras. The big thing, of course, is a) price (this is a US federal gov't

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Matt Garman wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:52 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: With the continuing annoyance from motion, my manager's asked me to go looking again for a video surveillance appliance: basically, a motion-detecting DVR and cameras. The big thing, of course, is a) price (this is a

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I think you misunderstood me. I'm not looking for IP cameras - we'll be getting cameras that plug into a surveillance DVR appliance. It's the -DVR's- firmware software will do the recording and picture taking. What we need is to be

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I think you misunderstood me. I'm not looking for IP cameras - we'll be getting cameras that plug into a surveillance DVR appliance. It's the -DVR's- firmware software will do the recording and picture taking. What we need is to be

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Matt Garman wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I think you misunderstood me. I'm not looking for IP cameras - we'll be getting cameras that plug into a surveillance DVR appliance. It's the -DVR's- firmware software will do the recording and picture taking. What

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I think you misunderstood me. I'm not looking for IP cameras - we'll be getting cameras that plug into a surveillance DVR appliance. It's the -DVR's- firmware software will do the recording and picture taking.

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:50 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: c) The software bugs keep coming: I had trouble last year, when we went to 6.x, Are you saying it worked right in 5.x? If that's the case, why not wait until 2017 for something else? I hear a couple years ago, $10? $19.99?, but my

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Mostly likely it *will*. I think we expect to get a surveillance appliance - a DVR with firmware, and cameras as part of the package. The ancient USB cheapie webcams will go. I see, so you're looking at a complete package that includes

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Matt Garman
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:50 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: ...but my manage says he'd like to get out of the business of making video surveillance work, when there's off-the-shelf stuff out there. Sounds like a classic problem where you have three requirements... 1. Just works /

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:50 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: c) The software bugs keep coming: I had trouble last year, when we went to 6.x, Are you saying it worked right in 5.x? If that's the case, why not wait until 2017 for something else? Because it has to work,

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/31/2014 7:52 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: With the continuing annoyance from motion, my manager's asked me to go looking again for a video surveillance appliance: basically, a motion-detecting DVR and cameras. The big thing, of course, is a) price (this is a US federal gov't agency, and

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
John R Pierce wrote: On 1/31/2014 7:52 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: With the continuing annoyance from motion, my manager's asked me to go looking again for a video surveillance appliance: basically, a motion-detecting DVR and cameras. The big thing, of course, is a) price (this is a US

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Are you saying it worked right in 5.x? If that's the case, why not wait until 2017 for something else? Because it has to work, perfectly, right now and every day, 24x7x365.25. Turning it down is not an option. Did it do that under

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Warren Young
On 1/31/2014 12:55, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Hmmm... that $99 each camera gets expensive, fast. Have you considered that part of the reason you're having hardware problems is that you're using $19 cameras, and expecting professional results from them? $99 for a networked PoE camera is

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/31/2014 11:55 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Hmmm... that $99 each camera gets expensive, fast. did I mention these are HD (1280x720) cams with decent low light sensitivity (but not IR nightvision)? I didn't find any decent quality weatherproof PoE cameras with mounting hardware for much

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Are you saying it worked right in 5.x? If that's the case, why not wait until 2017 for something else? Because it has to work, perfectly, right now and every day, 24x7x365.25. Turning it down is not an option.

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Warren Young wrote: On 1/31/2014 12:55, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Hmmm... that $99 each camera gets expensive, fast. Have you considered that part of the reason you're having hardware problems is that you're using $19 cameras, and expecting professional results from them? $99 for a

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
John R Pierce wrote: On 1/31/2014 11:55 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Hmmm... that $99 each camera gets expensive, fast. did I mention these are HD (1280x720) cams with decent low light sensitivity (but not IR nightvision)? I didn't find any decent quality weatherproof PoE cameras with

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Are you saying it worked right in 5.x? If that's the case, why not wait until 2017 for something else? Because it has to work, perfectly, right now and every day, 24x7x365.25. Turning it down is not an option. Did it do that under

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Are you saying it worked right in 5.x? If that's the case, why not wait until 2017 for something else? Because it has to work, perfectly, right now and every day, 24x7x365.25. Turning it down is not an option.

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Warren Young
On 1/31/2014 15:06, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: That's not going to happen. The budget won't allow that much for this item. So find the person who chose that arbitrary number, and explain to them that in their ignorance, they chose a number that has no connection with reality. Ask them -- now

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread m . roth
Warren Young wrote: On 1/31/2014 15:06, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: That's not going to happen. The budget won't allow that much for this item. So find the person who chose that arbitrary number, and explain to them that in their ignorance, they chose a number that has no connection with

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:30 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: The price is still right for CentOS 5.x... Why not reinstall and ignore it for another 3 years? Even if RH backports the breakage to the older driver you could probably keep using an older module. We're trying to get rid of all 5.x

Re: [CentOS] OT hardware question

2014-01-31 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/31/2014 2:09 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: d) They*do* need to be on the network, so we can back up the pictures and videos to a server. That means they*must* be up to date on security. the Aircams are network devices. they use https and rtsp or whatever it is.the PC/server running