Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-06 Thread Dag Wieers
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:57 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: James Bunnell wrote: If this is a problem, I suggest that you find a paid for service contract where you can be rude to the people with whom you interact. i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Karanbir Singh
James Bunnell wrote: I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Johnny Hughes
James Bunnell wrote: I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. I then asked if there

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ralph Angenendt
James Bunnell wrote: I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then told me that I was wrong and it was at -21. lftp

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:57 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: James Bunnell wrote: I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then

RE: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
James Bunnell wrote: i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will return to rhel and will not professionally recommend centos either privately,personally, or in the realm of a business. thanks for seeing my side of the

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 10:59 -0400, Jim Perrin wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM, James Bunnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one kernel

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: James Bunnell wrote: I was in the #centos-social channel and simply stated that I noticed CentOS 3-4 were getting a lot of updates. I also stated that the CentOS 5 was one kernel behind, as in RHEL it is at -53, the gentlemen then

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:36AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:35 -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote: James Bunnell wrote: i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to centos. damage is done. on the next major upgrade, i will return to

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 08:48 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:36AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:35 -0400, Ross S. W. Walker wrote: James Bunnell wrote: i do pay for rhel. i made the mistake of converting to centos.

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Martyn Drake
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM, James Bunnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated like crap is the competitor's job. Regardless of OSS or professional paid support - *nobody* deserves to receive abuse of any kind. If you dislike the

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:42:47 James Bunnell wrote: ts been nearly 2 weeks since any update of progress to 5.2 has been announced. On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks. Did you really need an update on that? Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:54:08 James Bunnell wrote: you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated like crap is the competitor's job. It's no-one's job to be treated like crap. Under any circumstance. You're not going to find many volunteers who react well to being

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 16:57 +0100, Martyn Drake wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM, James Bunnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you expect people to use OSS and be treated like crap? being treated like crap is the competitor's job. Regardless of OSS or professional paid support -

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:42:47 James Bunnell wrote: ts been nearly 2 weeks since any update of progress to 5.2 has been announced. On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks. Did you really need an update on that?

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:01 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: I expect people who feel they are treated like crap to do one of two things: 1. Get involved to try and make things better (I guess you could argue you are doing this albeit in a really ineffective manner :) 2. Move on to

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Martyn Drake
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, James Bunnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i agree with you. banning in irc is an insult when based on nothing but personal disagreement. swearing is a knee-jerk defense to the abuse of irc operators and admittedly should not have happened. Is this an apology I

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ralph Angenendt
James Bunnell wrote: i was told early on, that it took an invite to get involved. Subscribing to centos-devel or starting a SIG or doing a project on http://projects.centos.org/ does not require *any* invitation and that is where involvement starts. Well, it even does start on a lower level -

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:19 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: This is open source etiquette. It differs from business etiquette where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about things because you're paying someone a lot of money. the etiquette is rudeness

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ralph Angenendt
James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks. Did you really need an update on that? i only asked. an answer such as what was given here earlier would have sufficed. is that so hard? But it is the

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:36 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:00 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On May 22 it was estimated that it would take 3 weeks. Did you really need an update on that? i only asked. an answer such as what was given

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:35:18AM -0600, James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:19 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: This is open source etiquette. It differs from business etiquette where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about things

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread James Bunnell
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:52 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: Frame your questions and reactions with these things in mind, develop a bit thicker skin. Run everything said by a developer type through the nerd tact filter too: http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html This applies for any

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Johnny Hughes
James Bunnell wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:19 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: snip i have a little familiarity with open source, perhaps more than noted, and i what i am seeing here is centos saying that since we're not paid, we dont care. i think there are many projects that would not

RE: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
Johnny Hughes wrote: 2. You can not be a ass on our IRC channels, or on our mailing lists. I object to your language on the list! You MUST use the word an as a preposition to a noun beginning with a vowel! What is this world coming to! -Ross

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Jim Perrin
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Ross S. W. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johnny Hughes wrote: 2. You can not be a ass on our IRC channels, or on our mailing lists. I object to your language on the list! You MUST use the word an as a preposition to a noun beginning with a vowel! What is

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread Anne Wilson
I think we've fed the troll enough for this month. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] kernels and irc

2008-06-05 Thread William L. Maltby
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:01 -0700, Ray Van Dolson wrote: snip This is open source etiquette. It differs from business etiquette where you are more than welcoem to berate and yell and holler about things because you're paying someone a lot of money. Respectfully, when I was doing this