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I was thinking about your long term here. Make sure to use LVM
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup server
Yes, but if you use the epel rpm, either mount it at /var/lib/BackupPC
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Today I have five 500GB-disks raided on linux machine. Remove one for parity
and I have 2TB of real space available. Doing a 0+1, ie 1TB, would indeed be
better as performance goes, but 1TB of space, well, it just isn't enough
unfortunately.
As it is now, the 2TB
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Of Benjamin Franz
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup server
I was thinking about your long term here. Make sure to use LVM to
create
Sorin Srbu wrote:
So you need to be able to walk the fine line
between these two.
I'm trying. Something it just isn't enough. Although the boss has a soft spot
for linux, as he also heads the CADD (Computer Aided Drug Design)-group.
To put it into perspective, ask the manager how much
Sorin Srbu wrote:
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Of Benjamin Franz
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I was thinking about your long term here. Make sure
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Yes, but if you use the epel rpm, either mount it at /var/lib/BackupPC or
put a
symlink there before the install. If you install from the sourceforge
source
there is an install script that modifies the location so you can put things
where you want, but the rpm packages
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The other question to ask is whether an offsite copy is needed. After a
fire
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With six drives installed, there is no more space to add more drives
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You might want to join the mail lists:
http://backuppc.sourceforge.net
From: Benjamin Franz jfr...@freerun.com
Oh, one last thing. Don't forget to use the '-E
stride=XX,stripe-width=YY (where XX and YY are replaced with the
appropriate values) options creating your filesystem on the RAID.
Otherwise your disk drive usage will have 'hot spots' and slower than
Sorin Srbu wrote:
From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
Behalf Of Benjamin Franz
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:26 PM
I was thinking about your long term here. Make sure to use LVM to
create your underlaying partition. Then you can add disk space in the
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jussi Hirvi listmem...@greenspot.fi wrote:
I think nobody has yet mentioned rdiff-backup. I have very good
experiences with it. Easy to setup and control (only remember first to
install the required packages, and I think rsync-devel was not mentioned
but is
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The reason I really like BackupPC is the compression you can get. It
really
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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:57 PM
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On 1/13/2010 9:08 AM, Gabriel Rosca wrote:
My google searches would have
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I've never had any problems with software raid5 in linux before, but you
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So just use the stock epel package and you don't need to modify apache
From: Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se
My google searches would have me believe that Amanda is the more popular
choice for backup on linux. On this list it seems Backuppc is. Strange...
amanda was created in 1991...
BackupPC in 2001.
That would explain it a bit...
Also if tapes are the
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Today I have five 500GB-disks raided on linux machine. Remove one for
parity
and I have 2TB of real space available. Doing a 0+1, ie 1TB, would indeed be
better as performance goes, but 1TB of space, well, it just isn't enough
unfortunately.
As it is now, the 2TB
Sorin Srbu wrote:
I've never had any problems with software raid5 in linux before, but you
never
know...
There's a big write performance hit from raid5 (software or not). It
may not be enough to be a showstopper but I wouldn't recommend it. Can
you reconfigure to a 0+1 or some other type
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Of Benjamin Franz
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:12 PM
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If you have any budget at all, invest in bigger drives. 7200 RPM 1 TB
RAID
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If you have any opportunity to change things, I'd get some larger drives
Sorin Srbu wrote:
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Of Benjamin Franz
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If you have any budget at all, invest in bigger
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Of Les Mikesell
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I haven't got a budget really. Today I asked for a new group-printer today
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
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Brian Mathis wrote:
To put it into perspective, ask the manager how much it would cost the
business if this data was unrecoverable? After that, if they still
don't want to spend a few hundred $$s on the insurance, get it in
writing that your manager understands the risk and print it out and
On 1/14/2010 9:08 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
Go to the vendor's web site, enter their serial numbers and get an RMA for a
free replacement. Every vendor has had bad batches.
Already done. Still feel a bit burned by the whole matter though.
Unfortunately, the only way commodity priced things get
On 1/14/2010 9:23 AM, Max Hetrick wrote:
That's what led me to BackupPC in the first place. We used to use
rsnapshot here, and there were quite a few customized hacked together
things that we thought were running nightly, and they really weren't.
So, when I started investigating, I realized
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Already done. Still feel a bit burned by the whole matter though.
I still feel burned from IBM's 75GXP fiasco ~7 years ago, even
joined the lawsuit at the time(and got booted by the judge because
I was in another state), had probably an 80% failure rate on those
disks. I got a
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Already done. Still feel a bit burned by the whole matter though.
I still feel burned from IBM's 75GXP fiasco ~7 years ago, even
joined the lawsuit at the time(and got booted by the judge because
I was in another state), had probably an 80% failure rate on those
disks. I
Les Mikesell wrote:
Backuppc will at least send you an email when the backups have failed
for 3 days in a row.
Yeah, I have this configured. Although, to be honest since I've set it
up, I've not had any failures yet, so I'll have to wait until I do, ha.
Max
On 1/14/2010 10:04 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Already done. Still feel a bit burned by the whole matter though.
I still feel burned from IBM's 75GXP fiasco ~7 years ago, even
joined the lawsuit at the time(and got booted by the judge because
I was in another state), had probably an 80%
On 1/14/2010 10:04 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Already done. Still feel a bit burned by the whole matter though.
I still feel burned from IBM's 75GXP fiasco ~7 years ago, even
snip
OT but reminded me of that..
Seagate Barracudas - mid-nineties, and again three-four years ago.
On 1/14/2010 10:41 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
On 1/14/2010 10:04 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Already done. Still feel a bit burned by the whole matter though.
I still feel burned from IBM's 75GXP fiasco ~7 years ago, even
snip
OT but reminded me of that..
Seagate Barracudas -
On 1/14/2010 11:10 AM, Jussi Hirvi wrote:
On 14.1.2010 17:59, Les Mikesell wrote:
Backuppc will at least send you an email when the backups have failed
for 3 days in a row.
I probably should mention the one scenario it doesn't handle very well,
though. If you have very large files that have
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Of Brian Mathis
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:07 PM
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[...]
So you need to be able to walk the fine line
between these two.
I'm
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Unfortunately, the only way commodity priced things get large scale
real-world
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Of nate
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] Backup server
I still feel burned from IBM's 75GXP fiasco ~7 years ago, even
joined the lawsuit
Hi all,
I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set up initially.
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
folders on an older server that rolls
From: Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se
I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set up initially.
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Hi all,
I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set up initially.
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
folders on
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
snip
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
folders on an older server that rolls over every other week. This worked fine
for a while, but the rsync is cumulative and the users generate
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
snip
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
folders on an older server that rolls over every other week. This worked fine
for a while, but the rsync is cumulative and the users
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Hi all,
I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set up initially.
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients to two
folders on
+1 for Backuppc.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Hi all,
I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set
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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
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Of Barry Brimer
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:15 PM
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I use rsnapshot .. which manages sets of rsync backups using hardlinks
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Somewhat similar, thanks. I think however I need to get away from this sort
of backups. They're just to space-consuming.
Check out the user submitted HowTos on the Wiki.
http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-bab8e87dc82e722540e2d39de8408750004a8c4a
Regards,
Max
Sorin Srbu wrote:
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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:15 PM
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I use rsnapshot .. which manages sets of rsync
BackupPC over here - very happy with it for Linux and Windoze, at home and work
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Alan McKay wrote:
BackupPC over here - very happy with it for Linux and Windoze, at home and
work
I too have found BackupPC a marvelously simple-to-use program.
In fact it seems to me much better for backing up Windows XP
than Windows own Backup program,
which I have never completely
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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:36 PM
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Sorin Srbu wrote:
Somewhat similar, thanks. I think however I need to get
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Between compression and pooling, I get about 10x the raw data being
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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:01 PM
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BackupPC over here - very happy with it for Linux and Windoze, at home
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Sorin Srbu wrote:
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list'
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BackupPC over here - very happy
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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:04 PM
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[...]
If you need to run multiple Apache's for different services then
you need
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Of Gabriel Rosca
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:09 PM
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I like better Bacula ...
Personal I have Bacula ... configure to backup
On 13.1.2010 12:04, Sorin Srbu wrote:
Hi all,
I've built a new backup server for our linux-clients.
Is Amanda the way to go for a backup-solution?
It seems to be pretty powerful, if a bit finickety to set up initially.
The way we currently do backups is to use rsync from the clients
They have open source
www.bacula.org
Gabe
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote:
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Sorin Srbu wrote:
Sound very interesting indeed!
I don't think the performance will be a problem, the server's a calculation
machine that has now been scrapped running a dual-x...@2,something GHz and
some 4GB RAM IIRC. Do you think the software-raid5 array used, would be a
problem in
On 1/13/2010 9:08 AM, Gabriel Rosca wrote:
My google searches would have me believe that Amanda is the more popular
choice for backup on linux. On this list it seems Backuppc is. Strange...
;-)
Amanda is good for tape, and has a nice feature of being able to
estimate the sizes of full and
On 1/13/2010 9:04 AM, John Doe wrote:
One thing that made me not use BackupPC was that (from the doc):
The advantage of the mod_perl setup is that no setuid script is needed,
and there is a huge performance advantage The
typical speedup is around 15 times.
To use mod_perl you need to
On 1/13/2010 8:51 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
Between compression and pooling, I get about 10x the raw data being archived
with backuppc - it beats juggling tapes and you can let the users access the
backups of their own machine through a web interface. There are some down
sides
to plan around
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, Gabriel Rosca wrote:
I like better Bacula ...
Personal I have Bacula ... configure to backup mac, windows, and
linux servers ...
+1
We back up the same mix with Bacula: Linux, Mac, Windows.
We're still using tape for off-site backups, which bacula handles
quite well.
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 10:03 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 1/13/2010 9:04 AM, John Doe wrote:
One thing that made me not use BackupPC was that (from the doc):
The advantage of the mod_perl setup is that no setuid script is needed,
and there is a huge performance advantage The
Jussi Hirvi wrote:
I think nobody has yet mentioned rdiff-backup. I have very good
experiences with it. Easy to setup and control (only remember first to
install the required packages, and I think rsync-devel was not mentioned
but is required).
What did you run into that requires
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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:21 PM
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They have open source
www.bacula.org
My mistake. Thanks for the info
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Of Brian Mathis
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:32 PM
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Do you currently need that disk space for something else?
No, I don't
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