Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-05 Thread William Warren
Geoff Galitz wrote: The aim was to create platform, not strictly focused on enterprise. We wanted create something mixed. Something with enterprise, testing, backport levels and efforts. The project has been started but never really haven't happened. I'll go on the record as being

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Linux Advocate
enough is enough already. can some centos admin please discipline, ban and/or get rid of Radu-Cristian FOTESCU aka beranger...@yahoo.ca please? not only has he physically threatened a contributor, his language behavior are more than inappropriate for such a professional

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Geoff Galitz
The project is a confluence of a sub-project under the cAos project, Is this still true? Is Centos still officially associated with cAos? Or was that supposed to be in the past tense? -geoff - Geoff Galitz Blankenheim NRW, Germany http://www.galitz.org/

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Dag Wieers
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: BUT... when someone from the Centos team makes a statement like ...latest release has many up-to-date desktop packages... or any other statement that might imply, suggest, hint, or even smell of breaking compatibility with RH, for whatever reason,

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 07/04/2009 08:07 AM, Geoff Galitz wrote: The project is a confluence of a sub-project under the cAos project, Is this still true? Is Centos still officially associated with cAos? Or was that supposed to be in the past tense? No, CentOS has nothing to do with caos in quite a few years now

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu
the end of this circle for me ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Didi
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Akemi Yagiamy...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Ned Slidern...@unixmail.co.uk wrote: Didi wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Akemi Yagiamy...@gmail.com wrote: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/3679382429_d535f79823_o.jpg (info offered

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread John R Pierce
Karanbir Singh wrote: also, I completely lost interest in this thread when it went into ranting lands, guess it might be worth catching up on. not really. :-/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-04 Thread Rob Kampen
Dag Wieers wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: BUT... when someone from the Centos team makes a statement like ...latest release has many up-to-date desktop packages... or any other statement that might imply, suggest, hint, or even smell of breaking compatibility with RH,

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Didi
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Akemi Yagiamy...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Bogdan Nicolescubo...@yahoo.com wrote: From http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090629 Right next to the Gentoo stand was a group of young people, proudly displaying their

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
no, trolling works much better on high volume lists like this one. I officially declare that whoever uses the word troll is underbrained (aka stupid moron). The verb to troll was invented by some ***arrogant*** F/LOSS developers to assert that any *conversation* that looks slightly critical

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Ned Slider
Didi wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Akemi Yagiamy...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Bogdan Nicolescubo...@yahoo.com wrote: From http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090629 Right next to the Gentoo stand was a group of young people, proudly displaying

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Rob Kampen
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: no, trolling works much better on high volume lists like this one. I officially declare that whoever uses the word troll is underbrained (aka stupid moron). The verb to troll was invented by some ***arrogant*** F/LOSS developers to assert that any

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Mihai T. Lazarescu
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:37:17AM -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: no, trolling works much better on high volume lists like this one. I officially declare that whoever uses the word troll is underbrained (aka stupid moron). The verb to troll was invented by some ***arrogant*** F/LOSS

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Ned Slidern...@unixmail.co.uk wrote: Didi wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Akemi Yagiamy...@gmail.com wrote: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/3679382429_d535f79823_o.jpg (info offered by NedSlider) Have a look at the time the photo was taken. The

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
Akemi Yagi wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Ned Slidern...@unixmail.co.uk wrote: Didi wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Akemi Yagiamy...@gmail.com wrote: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/3679382429_d535f79823_o.jpg (info offered by NedSlider) Have a look at the time the photo

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread RobertH
enough is enough already. can some centos admin please discipline, ban and/or get rid of Radu-Cristian FOTESCU aka beranger...@yahoo.ca please? not only has he physically threatened a contributor, his language behavior are more than inappropriate for such a professional atmosphere that

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu
In all fairness to all the rebels, if somebody from the Cento's team would have responded in a timely matter to the original yes/no question of this thread, maybe this thread wouldn't have deviated to the point at which is at. Something definitely got lost in the translation, but in the

[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread R P Herrold
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: In all fairness to all the rebels, if somebody from the Cento's team would have responded in a timely matter to the original yes/no question of this thread, ... and an allegedly 'yes or no' question can take three and a half 24 line screens to

[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread R P Herrold
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: BUT... when someone from the Centos team makes a statement like ...latest release has many up-to-date desktop packages... ummm -- it is of course true that changes happen; rebasings do as well; and the CentOS project [and the upstream] document

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-03 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu
- Original Message From: R P Herrold herr...@centos.org To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 8:51:35 PM Subject: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: BUT... when someone from the Centos team makes

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-02 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Bogdan Nicolescubo...@yahoo.com wrote: From http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090629 Right next to the Gentoo stand was a group of young people, proudly displaying their affiliation with CentOS. Dag Wieers, the well-known maintainer of a once

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-02 Thread Michael A. Peters
Les Mikesell wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: How it interacts with epel I don't really care about, but it should not update vendor packages, and anything that requires an updated vendor package will be broken on yum configurations that protect the base install. I think you've confused

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-02 Thread Tru Huynh
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 06:36:23PM -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: ... (trimmed) I can see that RF has a slightly newer version of python-imaging-1.1.6-2.el5.rf.i386 ... (deleted R-C rant) ... I don't find updating something like python acceptable. Michael,

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-02 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
Ron Loftin wrote: As a really radical suggestion, perhaps you should consider moving this discussion to the rpmforge mail list, since it seems that most of your issues are focused on that repository. You might even find a larger collection of viewpoints there. no, trolling works much better

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-02 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Linux Advocate napsal(a): david, could u tell me how to build frm SRPMS. i m not good in this area and would like to improve. As usual wiki is the good place to start from: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RebuildSRPM I personally use the Mock: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/Mock

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Ned Slider napsal(a): Bingo! That's the whole point Russ - members of the Community don't know what's going on with *their* Community Enterprise OS because there is no dissemination of information. What I *do* know is that 5.3 took ~10 weeks to release, and before that 4.7 took ~7 weeks.

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Dag Wieers
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: What was the problem with audacious again ? # yum install audacious ... Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package audacious.i386 0:1.3.2-5.el5.rf set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: audacious-plugins = 1.3.0

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Dag Wieers
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Anyway, as I said previously, I would rather see the CentOS Project concentrate on the core product and do a really good job on that (i.e, a move closer to the old 4 week release lag than the current 10 week release lag), and I would much rather

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Mihai T. Lazarescu
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 03:43:41PM -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: I Can not speak for others, but the only time i have seen Karanbir be stern with anyone is when they do deserve it. Well, I've read him saying in various ways and on several occasions something that would equate

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Ned Slider
Dag Wieers wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Anyway, as I said previously, I would rather see the CentOS Project concentrate on the core product and do a really good job on that (i.e, a move closer to the old 4 week release lag than the current 10 week release lag),

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
My point being: audacious does build, but it has a missing dependency. Which still == broken repo. You were referring the whole time to SRPMs that do not build. But you never give me an example of one. On the contrary, I mentioned Comix. But again, I never try the SRPM, but the

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Les Mikesell
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: The audacious package is willing to wait that long :) Nope, because I've built it *for myself*, i.e. in my repo. And was your patch rejected from the places you are complaining about? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
The audacious package is willing to wait that long :) Nope, because I've built it *for myself*, i.e. in my repo. And was your patch rejected from the places you are complaining about? There. Is. No. Question. About. Any. Patch. When you build audacious from SPEC + tarball, it

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Robert
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: The audacious package is willing to wait that long :) Nope, because I've built it *for myself*, i.e. in my repo. And was your patch rejected from the places you are complaining about? There. Is. No. Question. About. Any. Patch.

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Dag Wieers
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: My point being: audacious does build, but it has a missing dependency. Which still == broken repo. Sure, but when you started that thread you didn't mention your problem with the comix package. I was still confused why you would talk about

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Dag Wieersd...@wieers.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: What was the problem with audacious again ? snip Maybe the problem is indeed you, and not the repository. You expect too much from people who volunteer their own time. As I said

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Buildlogs are available from:     http://packages.sw.be/comix/_buildlogs/ I hope you come back and tell me what was your problem. I have to be back on my continent before addressing this issue. So far, I can see that the build of Comix seems to have been done by Dries, and that it was

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
I believe that YOU are the only person on this list who has expressed an interest in audacious (whatever it is does) for CentOS during these several days of rant.  I believe that YOU are the only person on this list (whoever you are do) to have suggested popularity as a required raison

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Ron Loftin
As a really radical suggestion, perhaps you should consider moving this discussion to the rpmforge mail list, since it seems that most of your issues are focused on that repository. You might even find a larger collection of viewpoints there. On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 11:32 -0700, Radu-Cristian

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Dag Wieers
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Dag Wieers wrote: On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:   - audacious has a missing dependency (audacious-plugins)   - comix SRPM does not rebuild That's 2 packages, I think we do quite well if that is it :) But this is only because I am not crazy

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Michael A. Peters
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Buildlogs are available from: http://packages.sw.be/comix/_buildlogs/ I hope you come back and tell me what was your problem. I have to be back on my continent before addressing this issue. So far, I can see that the build of Comix seems to have been done

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-07-01 Thread Les Mikesell
Michael A. Peters wrote: How it interacts with epel I don't really care about, but it should not update vendor packages, and anything that requires an updated vendor package will be broken on yum configurations that protect the base install. I think you've confused rpmforge with something

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread David Hrbáč
Dag Wieers napsal(a): The difference is that you can only install one distribution, but you can install tons of incompatible repositories. And the believe that one repo will rule them all (which is what Fedora and EPEL wants you to believe) is just debunked by yourself above :-) The

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Geoff Galitz
The aim was to create platform, not strictly focused on enterprise. We wanted create something mixed. Something with enterprise, testing, backport levels and efforts. The project has been started but never really haven't happened. I'll go on the record as being willing to volunteer to help

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Niki Kovacs
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU a écrit : (And I won't mention the quality of Ubuntu's packages.) As for TUV, they decided they can only support ~2.5k packages, regardless of the fact that they're the #1 Linux company. How many employees does Canonical have? AFAIK, it all started with a group of 30

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Niki Kovacs napsal(a): How many employees does Canonical have? AFAIK, it all started with a group of 30 odd Debian developers. Compare this with the russian ALT Linux distribution: 150 paid full time developers only to maintain the distro. As for Red Hat, according to recent news,

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Andrew Colin Kissa
On 30 Jun 2009, at 9:46 AM, Geoff Galitz wrote: The aim was to create platform, not strictly focused on enterprise. We wanted create something mixed. Something with enterprise, testing, backport levels and efforts. The project has been started but never really haven't happened. I'll go

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Niki Kovacs
David Hrbác a écrit : Niki, that's starting the flame. Compare to PLD linux... more than 1 RPMs... Well, no flame intended. So let me just add this. I'm a happy RPMForge repo user. No other third-party repos. I've learned how to circumvent the odd quirks in the repo (like: how do I

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: not to be rude but back to the core of the original question: is is safe to assume that future releases of Centos will remain a built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Niki Kovacs napsal(a): Well, no flame intended. So let me just add this. I'm a happy RPMForge repo user. No other third-party repos. I've learned how to circumvent the odd quirks in the repo (like: how do I use VLC and Audacity at the same time). And if a package is not in RPMForge (which

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Geoff Galitz napsal(a): I'll go on the record as being willing to volunteer to help with a distribution/version neutral repo. Such a thing would benefit my business. Is anyone currently leading this project? The project is to be found here http://rpmrepo.org/ I guess there's no leadership

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Mihai T. Lazarescu
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:51:54PM -0700, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: led to the great compiler we have today.  The same would hold for any large project (the kernel, firefox, etc.) And... are you happy with the quality of the huge $h1t which is Firefox? Because I am not. Firefox was

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Marcus Moeller
Hi all, I have been using RPMforge much longer than EPEL and only have a few packages from EPEL on my 5.3 (32 bit) desktop. When I added the EPEL Repository to Priorities, the number of packages excluded went from approximately 400 to 1705. My belief is that had I not given EPEL a very low

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Dag Wieers
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: I am still waiting for it. I am willing to give you commit access to fix all the things that irritate you. I offered the same to others. Actually, how do we know what builds and validates in RF and what doesn't? You should rather trigger

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Dag Wieers
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Linux Advocate wrote: beranger...@yahoo.com... , u have a problem with dag...and now it looks like u have a problem with linus torvalds himself u talk abt the need for cooperation,etc but you apparently dont get that 'you have to give respect to get respect'

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Dag Wieers
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, David Hrbáč wrote: Dag Wieers napsal(a): The difference is that you can only install one distribution, but you can install tons of incompatible repositories. And the believe that one repo will rule them all (which is what Fedora and EPEL wants you to believe) is just

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Ned Slider
Marcus Moeller wrote: Hi all, I have been using RPMforge much longer than EPEL and only have a few packages from EPEL on my 5.3 (32 bit) desktop. When I added the EPEL Repository to Priorities, the number of packages excluded went from approximately 400 to 1705. My belief is that had I not

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Dag Wieers
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, David Hrbác( wrote: Niki Kovacs napsal(a): Well, no flame intended. So let me just add this. I'm a happy RPMForge repo user. No other third-party repos. I've learned how to circumvent the odd quirks in the repo (like: how do I use VLC and Audacity at the same time). And

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Ned Slider
Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Linux Advocate wrote: beranger...@yahoo.com... , u have a problem with dag...and now it looks like u have a problem with linus torvalds himself u talk abt the need for cooperation,etc but you apparently dont get that 'you have to give

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Dag Wieers
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote: I have been using RPMforge much longer than EPEL and only have a few packages from EPEL on my 5.3 (32 bit) desktop. When I added the EPEL Repository to Priorities, the number of packages excluded went from approximately 400 to 1705. My belief is that

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Dag Wieers napsal(a): I am all for a solution, but unless it already works I would not call it a solution, but a short-term (and possibly long-term) risk. I hasn't been working and I dare to say not because the community... So I don't see any way how can contrib work after those years. :o(

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread hrbac.c...@seznam.cz
Ned Slider napsal(a): Rather than dumping *even more work* on the core CentOS project (who are already clearly struggling to provide even the core distro at present), why doesn't everyone do as Dag suggested, and adopt a handful of packages and help maintain them at rpmforge for the benefit

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread David Hrbáč
Dag Wieers napsal(a): The biggest problem for me is that we do not have the infrastructure in RPMforge. I still need to build the x86 and x86_64 stuff, Fabian does the PPC packages. Yes, we don't. As for me, there's no time and need to reinvent the wheel. There are many etalons to look at

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
So we have centosplus and extras which are the repos with access denied for packages inclusion. Dag's rpmforge which is so huge with a lot of dependencies not suitable for testing/bleeding edge/alternative packages. So what's the suitable repo? That's why people are going to run own

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
How many employees does Canonical have? AFAIK, it all started with a group of 30 odd Debian developers. Yes, but when they started, they mainly rebuilt the upstream (Debian) packages, right? Compare this with the russian ALT Linux distribution: 150 paid full time developers only to

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Firefox was better than Mozilla.  Nay. Only Firefox 0.9 was better than Mozilla. Later on, bloatware won. It's definitely worth noting that, Epiphany Firefox popped up so quickly because they built on Mozilla's rendering, etc. Yes, it's easier to add bloatware on a solid open-sourced

[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread R P Herrold
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Rather than dumping *even more work* on the core CentOS project (who are already clearly struggling to provide even the core distro at present), ... It may be clear to Ned, but is not the case. I wish people not in the know would not purport to

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
He wants me to do some things for him for free (unfortunately I am a freelancer and not a millionaire). Not for *me*!!! It's only a matter of perception. I normally don't like when a SRPM doesn't build, and I believe that until it's fixed, it should either be removed (alongside with the

[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread R P Herrold
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: But I *do* have a problem with RPM Fusion and Karanbir's repo, because they keep packages in testing even if nothing happens (they could stay there until 2014, right?). oh _+please+_ troll elsewhere .. no-one forces you to use any third

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
What was the problem with audacious again ? # yum install audacious ... Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package audacious.i386 0:1.3.2-5.el5.rf set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: audacious-plugins = 1.3.0 for package: audacious ... -- Missing Dependency:

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/29/2009 08:06 PM, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: The whole point of the question is to make sure that Centos will remain 100% binary compatible with PNAELV, at least in terms of package version. This does not mean that others will not have the ability to break this 100% binary

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/30/2009 12:10 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote: There was a time where CentOS contrib repo has been announced. It was meant to be a package source for 'community-contributed' packages. So why not just merge stable RPMForge packages over there and start a 'semi-official' CentOS orientated

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/30/2009 11:03 AM, David Hrbác( wrote: The project is to be found here http://rpmrepo.org/ I guess there's no leadership right now. rpmrepo.org suffered from a too-many-cooks and everyone wanting to workout what the other guys were upto before deciding to do much - there were a few

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/30/2009 09:22 AM, David Hrbác( wrote: that's starting the flame. Compare to PLD linux... more than 1 RPMs... Not more that unpaid 40 people involved, actively committing only about 5 people... I have much respect for the PLD guys, they have a fantastic system in place, and I think

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/30/2009 03:46 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: We even have centos.karan.org, with all the packages for 5 in... testing, since 2007. Oh boy. yes, perhaps the english language is alien to you - the word 'testing' means something, there is a reason why those packages are there in

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
yes, perhaps the english language is alien to you - the word 'testing' means something, there is a reason why those packages are there in 'testing' - people who dont know what they are doing are recommended to NOT use them. Karanbir, I've always 'appreciated' you being such a 'nice'

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 06/30/2009 05:05 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: OTOH, it's such an accomplishment to have *all* the packages in testing since 2007 and none of them passing the QA requirements... Where did you see the QA requirements for the packages in c.k.o ? Also, why are you ignoring what has already

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu
Thanks - Original Message From: Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:46:15 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag On 06/29/2009 08:06 PM, Bogdan Nicolescu wrote: The whole point

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Linux Advocate
Niki, could u tell me howto build frm SRPM? i am not good at this area and would like to learn this. - Original Message From: Niki Kovacs cont...@kikinovak.net To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:11:54 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Linux Advocate
david, could u tell me how to build frm SRPMS. i m not good in this area and would like to improve. - Original Message From: David Hrbác( hrbac.c...@seznam.cz To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:52:37 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Advocatelinuxhous...@yahoo.com wrote: could u tell me howto build frm SRPM? i am not good at this area and would like to learn this. This article in the Wiki should get you going... http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RebuildSRPM HTH, Filipe

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Linux Advocate
Rather than dumping *even more work* on the core CentOS project (who are already clearly struggling to provide even the core distro at present), why doesn't everyone do as Dag suggested, and adopt a handful of packages and help maintain them at rpmforge for the benefit of everyone.

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Robert Heller
@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:11:54 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag David Hrbác a écrit : Niki, that's starting the flame. Compare to PLD linux... more than 1 RPMs... Well, no flame intended. So let me just add this. I'm a happy

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Where did you see the QA requirements for the packages in c.k.o ? I didn't. But since you say that there is a reason for them to be in testing, I then assumed the reason was testing. But then, the activity usually called testing is part of a process usually called Quality Assurance. But hey,

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Steven Vishoot
- Original Message From: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU beranger...@yahoo.ca To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:59:42 PM Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag Where did you see the QA requirements for the packages in c.k.o ? I

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
I Can not speak for others, but the only time i have seen Karanbir be stern with anyone is when they do deserve it. Well, I've read him saying in various ways and on several occasions something that would equate RTFM, only it was put in such an offensive way that even myself, as an

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Ned Slider
R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Rather than dumping *even more work* on the core CentOS project (who are already clearly struggling to provide even the core distro at present), ... It may be clear to Ned, but is not the case. Then we disagree. Others can look

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread luc...@lastdot.org
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Ned Slidern...@unixmail.co.uk wrote: R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Rather than dumping *even more work* on the core CentOS project (who are already clearly struggling to provide even the core distro at present), ... It may be

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
Anyway, as I said previously, I would rather see the CentOS Project concentrate on the core product and do a really good job on that (i.e, a move closer to the old 4 week release lag than the current 10 week release lag), and I would much rather see this than effort diluted by taking on a

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread S.Tindall
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 00:10 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Ned Slider wrote: Rather than dumping *even more work* on the core CentOS project (who are already clearly struggling to provide even the core distro at present), ... It may be clear to

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Michael A. Peters
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: If a SRPMS builds under CentOS 5.0 and it doesn't under 5.3,then this package is broekn. Ok, you're making it yourself very hard now, but I will accept scripts/tools that can verify this. I don't think any other repository is even doing this though.

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: RPMRepo is the best proof that collaboration is close to impossible. Collaboration isn't exactly the point - in fact the differences are a good thing. There are legitimate reasons (besides the obvious differences of opinions) for incompatibly different versions

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Michael A. Peters
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: As I said, and as everyone on this list knows: KB is not a person to talk with. Usually, KB would throw offensive assertion to people. No matter what KB would say, and no matter how important is KB to the CentOS project, a quick search through the centos ML

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Linux Advocate
great. thanx. - Original Message From: Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com could u tell me howto build frm SRPM? i am not good at this area and would like to learn this. Simple form (should work with most packages): # rpmbuild --rebuild package-version-release.srpm 'man

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Linux Advocate
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Advocatewrote: could u tell me howto build frm SRPM? i am not good at this area and would like to learn this. This article in the Wiki should get you going... http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/RebuildSRPM HTH, Filipe thanx.

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-30 Thread Linux Advocate
] Dag's comment at linuxtag Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: RPMRepo is the best proof that collaboration is close to impossible. Collaboration isn't exactly the point - in fact the differences are a good thing. There are legitimate reasons (besides the obvious differences of opinions

[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-29 Thread Bogdan Nicolescu
From http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090629 Right next to the Gentoo stand was a group of young people, proudly displaying their affiliation with CentOS. Dag Wieers, the well-known maintainer of a once very popular RPM repository, greeted me with a big smile: Do you know CentOS?

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-29 Thread Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
A quick look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos shows that a great majority of the packages are not even close to being up-to-date, and that is a good thing for those us of who care more about stability than eyecandy. That can't be other way. For instance, you can't

Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

2009-06-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: OTOH, Dag is in a funny position: he's the main maintainer of RPMforge, which has 2 main issues: (1) It's broken, at least partially. Try install audacious for one. (2) It's incompatible with EPEL. Try install MPlayer and VLC with EPEL enabled. I don't like

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