Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-25 Thread Tris Hoar
On 24/03/2015 18:54, Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Frank Cox thea...@melvilletheatre.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:56:27 -0500 Les Mikesell wrote: Doesn't anyone have a list of the oldest kernel version for each Centos version you could be running and still avoid

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Tris Hoar trish...@bgfl.org wrote: On 24/03/2015 18:54, Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Frank Cox thea...@melvilletheatre.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:56:27 -0500 Les Mikesell wrote: Doesn't anyone have a list of the oldest

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:56:27 -0500 Les Mikesell wrote: Doesn't anyone have a list of the oldest kernel version for each Centos version you could be running and still avoid known problems? The best answer to your question is the latest version, since previous versions all have known issues

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Frank Cox thea...@melvilletheatre.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:56:27 -0500 Les Mikesell wrote: Doesn't anyone have a list of the oldest kernel version for each Centos version you could be running and still avoid known problems? The best answer to your

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata* files and anything else where

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 18:30, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata* files and anything else where

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-19 Thread Bernard Lheureux
On 03/19/2015 07:47 PM, Mark Felder wrote: I just used the test script privided by RHEL https://access.redhat.com/labs/leapsecond/leap_vulnerability.sh to test my up2date CentOS 5 and CentOS 6 and all are reported as Non Vulnerable ! On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 18:30, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Fri,

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-18 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata* files and anything else where previously-found bugs related to the leap second have been fixed.

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata* files and anything else where previously-found bugs related to the leap second have been fixed.

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com said: Helpful, but not exactly concise... And I don't understand the concept of /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/*. Are those supposed to print the right time if your clock is left wrong? Basically, POSIX time doesn't really handle leap seconds.

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: Unix and ntp handle leap seconds a bit differently. Unix time increases during the leap second and drops back a second after. Ntp freezes time during the leap second. OS kernels may do either or neither.

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com said: Does anyone have a succinct summary of how to prove to management-types that a given linux box won't have a problem with the leap second? Like kernel some_version, tzdata some_version, tzdata-java some_version? Only way to prove

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com said: Does anyone have a succinct summary of how to prove to management-types that a given linux box won't have a problem with the leap second? Like kernel

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com said: Does anyone have a succinct summary of how to prove to management-types that a given linux box won't have a problem with the leap second? Like

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:50 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I don't think I need to 'prove' that computer programs do repeatable things. I just want to know the version numbers that need to be installed - something relatively easy to check. snip Two other thoughts: first, that it worked

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com said: Now we know the issues, and hopefully someone had done the simulation tests. No, we know the issue that broke last time (2012), and a different issue that broke the time before that (2008) (they were different problems). We don't know

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: So again, if you want to make sure there's no new issue, you'll have to set up a test yourself. I doubt the 2008 or 2012 issues will happen again, but there's

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:26 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Every other sysadmin in the world got calls in the middle of the night to fix their servers. Ah, the system was fine, it was java that failed. And we've got a few tomcat apps... but IIRC, we fixed them the next day - we're tier 3, and

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: So again, if you want to make sure there's no new issue, you'll have to set up a test yourself. I doubt the 2008 or 2012 issues will happen again, but there's plenty of room for new issues. So are you saying that you think

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: Short answer: last time it was threaded stuff like Java, the time before it was systems under heavy kernel loads. Who knows, this time Postfix could hang, or MySQL could corrupt databases, or something else. Probably

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:50 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I don't think I need to 'prove' that computer programs do repeatable things. I just want to know the version numbers that need to be installed - something relatively easy to check. snip Two other thoughts: first,

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-03-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata* files and anything else where previously-found bugs related to the leap second have been fixed. https://access.redhat.com/articles/15145

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-20 Thread Michael Hennebry
Unix and ntp handle leap seconds a bit differently. Unix time increases during the leap second and drops back a second after. Ntp freezes time during the leap second. OS kernels may do either or neither. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:36 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: -Original Message- From: Akemi Yagi Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:05 snip/ Apparently Red Hat is well

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Jason Pyeron
-Original Message- From: Akemi Yagi Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:05 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:43 AM, G Galitz ge...@galitz.org wrote: Hi. We have another leap second coming. Have past bugs with Centos and leap seconds (specifically high CPU spikes) been resolved?

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:43 AM, G Galitz ge...@galitz.org wrote: Hi. We have another leap second coming. Have past bugs with Centos and leap seconds (specifically high CPU spikes) been resolved? Should we be worried? Apparently Red Hat is well aware of the upcoming leap second:

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:43 AM, G Galitz ge...@galitz.org wrote: We have another leap second coming. Have past bugs with Centos and leap seconds (specifically high CPU spikes) been resolved? Should we be worried?

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us wrote: 6 different ways of saying Will my system work? . [...lots of stuff...] [*:side bar: see http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2012-1199.html for the patch or do something like date $(date +someformatthatworks)] Can you

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Rob Kampen
On 01/16/2015 07:05 AM, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:43 AM, G Galitz ge...@galitz.org wrote: We have another leap second coming. Have past bugs with Centos and leap seconds (specifically high CPU spikes) been

Re: [CentOS] leap second and Centos

2015-01-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Rob Kampen rkam...@reaching-clients.com wrote: Fascinating - describes what's happening but no mention of how we can rest assured that all will be well As I ponder it, I recognise that most of our systems are constantly calculating date/time values based