, May 04, 2007 11:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
On 5/3/07, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think a Frameworks Overview needs to be added to the Max conference
this
year. Not a debate. Not a discussion or a Birds of a Feather... but a
nice, healthy
Yeah probably a little...
Nah, I didn't take them that way. Education is completely different from daily
work experience, as I'm sure you're well aware. As I previously indicated,
we're just a medium sized advertising agency. We don't build CMSes, we don't
build enterprise applications. We
I guess what I am saying is that if you are so educated, why are you
asking such a question.
but hey if you thin you can design efficent patterns in DW then so be
it, who are we to tell you otherwise.
Thats why you did not need to ask..
Damn. That was kind of harsh.
M!ke
On 5/4/07, Jeff
Yeah probably a little...
On 5/6/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess what I am saying is that if you are so educated, why are you
asking such a question.
but hey if you thin you can design efficent patterns in DW then so be
it, who are we to tell you otherwise.
Thats
On 5/3/07, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think a Frameworks Overview needs to be added to the Max conference this
year. Not a debate. Not a discussion or a Birds of a Feather... but a
nice, healthy overview of the frameworks available to ColdFusion
programmers, and their strengths and
Well, the answer to be would be your background.
DW is a good design tool but it lacks methodologies, it lacks design
principles and last but not least is not an IDE for serious development.
1) with your background the design patterns that most frameworks offer
provide easy and quick coding with
With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought
Eclipse
and SVN would be your bag.
If I may ask, why? I hand code mostly in Dreamweaver's CodeView.
I should probably preface this entire conversation by noting that I run the
interactive department of a medium sized
Hi Jeff,
A very quick answer is that if i came and worked for your company would i
know on the first day which snippets did what? Would I conform to your
standards? Frameworks allow people to pick up code and run with it
quickly
and conform to rules set out with in the framework.
Well,
And surely, like most if not all CS grads you would have learned a design
pattern in whatever OO language you were taught? A framework probably was
shown as well, and it's benefits?
Not really. Design patterns, sure. But frameworks? Never. I graduated from
CompSci around the mid to late 90s.
In short, there's nothing you NEED a framework for, but there are a
lot of smart developers out there, and I generally prefer to trust
code that someone else wrote (and tested, exercised, and then released
to a large community) over code that I wrote (with no other vetting).
Especially for
and wherever you get your job programming, you'll learn that they
probably
have procedures in place that you'll have to learn in order to work
well
with the team that you'll join. I guess that was our framework
discussion.
I think this all depends on what you are attempting to do, as each
Considering they didn't include FLEX in dreamweaver CS3 I'm now starting
to
ask myselft the same thing.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/web/features/allfeatures/
Can I be honest here for a second? This is *precisely* why I asked this
question. The lack of Flex support in
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From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought
Eclipse
and SVN would be your bag.
If I may ask, why? I hand code
]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought
Eclipse and SVN would be your bag.
If I may ask, why? I hand code mostly in Dreamweaver's CodeView.
I should probably
On 5/3/07, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You shouldn't have to explain why you love DW over Eclipse. DW is
pretty darn awesome and I'm not scared to spread the word, either. I,
too, live in DW code view and shun frameworks.
Hi, I'm Mike and I'm a DreamWeaver user.
+ 1 -
You shouldn't have to explain why you love DW over Eclipse. DW is
pretty darn awesome and I'm not scared to spread the word, either. I,
too, live in DW code view and shun frameworks.
Hi, I'm Mike and I'm a DreamWeaver user.
I'm sorry. I honestly didn't want those comments to come across
On 5/3/07, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry. I honestly didn't want those comments to come across that way. I
was just *really* wondering if what I wasn't already doing *was* in fact, a
framework, and if, during the course of the way I and my group programs, is
a framework worth
Jeff,
I didn't take your comments that way. I do think that comparing
usage of a Framework to your company's Dreamweaver team workflow is
an apples to oranges comparison, though.There's nothing mutually
exclusive about the two. One provides a common lanuguage for your
development
I didn't take your comments that way.
[snip]
Jon, I didn't wanna repeat all you wrote because I just wanted to add that
it was a great reply. I totally see where you and Barney are coming from...
both yours and Barney's comments made absolutely perfect sense. I get the
subtleties of a
can't wait to roll out a production web
site with Scorpio!
I wasn't picking on Jeff. I'm on his side. :-)
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
You
Regarding all the future of web development. RIAs are nice.
Personally, I'm into the request-response mode, with maybe a
touch of AJAX. We are wanting our students to begin using
mobile phones to access our web sites. Therefore, I can't
rely on Flash-based forms in most cases.
Are you
Are you finding that you still need to customize your mobile interfaces
anyway? At
a certain point, if you have to build multiple interfaces, you might as
well use
RIAs for one, and simplified HTML for another. There are a lot of HTML
interfaces
that just don't work well on a phone.
Not quite
We've (our development team) been using Dreamweaver, and we use it internally
for checking in/out documents. We write CFCs and utilize Dreamweaver's
Components tab. We use store all of our most used code in snippets that we
all share, and we're all trained Computer Science graduates (not
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 22:26:01 2007
Subject: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
We've (our development team) been using Dreamweaver, and we use it
internally for checking in/out documents. We write CFCs and utilize
Dreamweaver's Components tab
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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 22:26:01 2007
Subject: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
We've (our development team) been using Dreamweaver, and we use it
internally
Hi Jeff,
A very quick answer is that if i came and worked for your company would i
know on the first day which snippets did what? Would I conform to your
standards? Frameworks allow people to pick up code and run with it quickly
and conform to rules set out with in the framework.
HTH
On
Most of the benefits from a framework (at least in my view) come from
the bookkeeping that the framework takes care of automatically. For
example, ColdSpring manages dependency injection, so I don't have to
write any code to do that. ColdSpring also provides AOP functionality
which provides a
: Nick Tong
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 02 22:34:44 2007
Subject: Re: Can I ask a question? (RE: Frameworks)
Hi Jeff,
A very quick answer is that if i came and worked for your company would i
know on the first day which snippets did what? Would I conform to your
standards? Frameworks allow people
On 5/2/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
With your background I am suprised you use DW, I would have thought
Eclipse
and SVN would be your bag.
Considering they didn't include FLEX in dreamweaver CS3 I'm now starting to
ask myselft the same thing.
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