Geez Mike, how many lists are you on anyways? =]
Cheers,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 11, 2005 2:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
ActionScript 2 is based on ECMA script. We didn't define ECMA script (at
least
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF
with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to
work some up and send them out.
I think I can help Bryan out here. Laszlo was built primarily for the
presentation layer of application
Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially
with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or
fitting look then flex is the choice.
As software engineer and a member of the team that built Earthlink's new Laszlo
based web mail product (now in
That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and
currently do not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide
any examples. However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform
all of the necessary functions. There are many good tutorials on
Something else to take into account... If you're working with the
OpenLaszlo server deployment via a servlet container or enterprise Java
server, you should be able to access CFC methods directly from a Java
class through the new CFCProxy doodad once Merrimack is out. I think.
- Jim
John
that calendar tool example simply rawks! I have heard several in the
Flex community wanting one of those :)
DK
On 8/11/05, John Olmstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially
with components that flex does so if you need a completely
That seems to say to me that it is based on ECMA script (as is AS2) but
deviates from it in a number of ways.
Laszlo's scripting language is ECMAScript (not a proprietary language, as you
stated in your original post). The 'deviations' you note are bugs. Bugs don't
make a proprietary
ActionScript 2 is based on ECMA script. We didn't define ECMA script (at
least not by ourselves, as we are currently on the working group).
mike chambers
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P T Withington wrote:
AS2 is based on ECMAScript, but is a proprietary language because it is
defined by Macromedia,
.
From: P T Withington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
That seems to say to me that it is based on ECMA script (as is AS2) but
deviates from it in a number of ways.
Laszlo's scripting
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially
with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or
fitting look then flex is the choice.
As software engineer and a member of the team
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:31 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF
with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to
work some up and send
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF
with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to
work some up and send them out.
Douglas Knudsen wrote:
am I missing something here?
http://www.laszlosystems.com/demos/
all teh demos have source code
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF
with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to
work some up and send them out.
Thanks Kenand yes...I'm still waitinganybody...Bueller!! ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 19:49, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
and data usage.but what's missing is conditional logic and data
inserts/updates etc.
I think of it as a replacement for DHTML in the Ajaz world - when ever
something needs doing server-side like database chagnes, it invokes a web
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 21:14, Chris Peters wrote:
I had ditched the idea of installing OpenLaszlo earlier because I didn't
want to deal with installing it on Tomcat. But now it's possible to
install it as a JRun app.
Or just use it to generate stand-alone .swf :-)
--
Tom Chiverton
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I was trying to show some
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is
ActionScript (based on ECMA Script).
You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details.
Laszlo's
You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details.
Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is
the proprietary scripting language. Sheesh.
P T Withington
Laszlo Systems
OoooOOo a post from the Lazlo camp ;-)
SoP T...if you can
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i
dont have all of the details).
You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details.
Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is the
proprietary scripting language.
P T
AS2 may be the proprietary language, but we're talking about
applications that compile to the proprietary Flash player, right??? I'd
say that using the proprietary AS2 is actually a plus over ECMAScript,
unless of course, you can argue that I'm wrong.
--Ferg
P T Withington wrote:
Laszlo
You think Flex is cool now, read this:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2005/08/will_zorn_requi.cfm
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From: P T Withington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language
(i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML
You think Flex is cool now, read this:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2005/08/will_zorn_requi.cfm
Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com
Sounds promisingbut a tad too vague for my likingit's all about what
is and isn't in the list of enterprise
Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one
would be very glad if you could post them out here or at least forward
them on to me!
--Ferg
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
You think Flex is cool now, read this:
Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one
would be very glad if you could post them out here or at least forward
them on to me!
--Ferg
but of course!! ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone:
Please post here as I am also interested in the code examples - particularly
those relating to CF (their web site has examples, but none relating to CF).
Thanks!
On Thursday 04 August 2005 12:28 pm, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one
Me to ;-)
I've been looking at Laszlo for a little while...
We did a few things on a laptop we set up on our network...
Yves
On 8/4/05, Chuck Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please post here as I am also interested in the code examples - particularly
those relating to CF (their web site
Looking at OpenLaszlo my one concern would be the *long* list of known
issues with 3.0. I think one of the bug-fix frenzies popular in the OSS
world would help here, maybe have a prize for the most bugs fixed in a
month or something.
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The
I tend to agree based on the posts I see from the laszlo mailing list,
which I've been following for the last few months. On this CF list you
find questions like, how do I do x? while on the Laszlo list you see a
lot more questions or comments on things that don't work at all and the
I thought AS2 is ECMA based...
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flash/articles/converting_actionscript2.html
DK
On 8/4/05, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tend to agree based on the posts I see from the laszlo mailing list,
which I've been following for the last few months. On this
For those waiting for Lazlo code samples..well so am Istill no mail
from Lazlo Systems, but they did say they'd need to put together the samples
from parts of the siteso I'll let it slide for now...hehe ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge
am I missing something here?
http://www.laszlosystems.com/demos/
all teh demos have source code available.
DK
On 8/4/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those waiting for Lazlo code samples..well so am Istill no mail
from Lazlo Systems, but they did say they'd need to put
Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-)
So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve?
Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based version of ActionScript
(broad picture...not a feature by feature comparison)? if not why?
Anything else useful
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-)
So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve?
Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based
**Qualifying statement: I'm an expert on neither Flex nor Laszlo. I am
answering from what I've heard and read added to my limited experience
actually using both Flex and Laszlo to build test applications.
One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo apps
compile to the
On 8/3/05, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**Qualifying statement: I'm an expert on neither Flex nor Laszlo. I am
answering from what I've heard and read added to my limited experience
actually using both Flex and Laszlo to build test applications.
One thing to note right off the bat
OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture
As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI
coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only).
So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of:
-database interaction (CFQUERY)
-conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE)
Or
OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture
As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI
coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only).
Flex and Laszlo are both presentation servers, so yes, they only deal with the
front end and presentation of data.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo
apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot utilize the
features of AS 2,
You need to look at OpenLaszlo 3, it supports Flash 6.
--
Damien McKenna
But if you can do ActionScript in Flex then can you not call CF remoting
components to access database then?
-Original Message-
From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OK...I'm still missing
While we're mentioning J2EE, I noticed that OpenLaszlo now can be installed as
a WAR file on a J2EE app server.
I had ditched the idea of installing OpenLaszlo earlier because I didn't want
to deal with installing it on Tomcat. But now it's possible to install it as a
JRun app.
- Chris
Flex is UI level with the Flex server providing gateways to back end
stuff, one way to put it at least.So yes, Flex has no DB
interaction like CF does. Flex uses AS2, so has a standard
programming model and all. You got it in your last sentence.
DK
On 8/3/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL
: www.electricedgesystems.com
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From: Matt Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture
As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me
You need to use some sort of scripting language to handle all of your
data interaction and processing. You tie Flex or Laszlo to your
components/web services, but they just sit in front of your application
and allow you to generate a rich user interface.
--Ferg
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
IDE's pumping out different
content, compiling to the same byte code is the best course of action.
@@ Cents
Cheers,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 3, 2005 1:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
On 8/3/05, Ken Ferguson
: Trevor Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
But if you can do ActionScript in Flex then can you not call CF remoting
components to access database then?
-Original Message-
From: Matt Woodward
: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:09 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo
apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot
I personally think both are a waste of time. I like the idea that's been
suggested with Zorn, but that remains to be seen...
The biggest advantages offered by Flash are:
- Dynamic Capabilities
- Lightweight
- Extremely Interactive
- Browser Persistence
I hear ya Kevin.but what I've
@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
But if you can do ActionScript in Flex then can you not call CF remoting
components to access database then?
-Original Message-
From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so:
canvas
textHello World/text
/canvas
I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm not
sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR
As does Flex.
mike chambers
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From: Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I believe the Laszlo on shared servers thing you were trying
Flex is tag-based as well. Flex uses the mxml language, which is MM's
own xml-based language along with AS. The tags and JS you use in Laszlo
are used to build the flash movie. In this same way, the tags and AS you
use in Flex are used to generate the movie.
I think it's fair to say that
;-)
Good for you... that's an ideology that many new developers should pick up
and not enough existing developers follow.
Cheers,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: August 3, 2005 2:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I
not sufficient capital
to form a corporation.
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:39 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions
You need to look at OpenLaszlo 3, it supports Flash 6.
that's still 2 versions behind (since i hear we will have
flash 8 here next week)
That's splitting hairs, OpenLaszlo 3 has been out since April. So its
more like 1.5 releases :-P
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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/mx:Application
mike chambers
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From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw
with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital
to form a corporation.
From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:49 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
You need to look
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From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML
: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it
(although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration
with
CF
: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it
(although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration
with
CF
: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I was trying to show some interactivity, but here is a basic hello world:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http
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