I can use Director for some of what I want to do -- but the languages
are lingo and _javascript_ and it's more expensive than CFMX!
I suspect it's more expensive to buy the Director IDE than it is to buy one
copy of CFMX Standard, but I don't think there are any redistribution costs
for your
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Just plugging in the ethernet cable is dangerous :)
I'm not suggesting creating any client-side code providing any type of
description of the database.Basically, I'm just suggesting
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John,
Just plugging in the ethernet cable is dangerous :)
I'm not suggesting creating any client-side code providing any type of
description of the database.Basically, I'm just suggesting
John,
You're right in that you could do exactly what I'm describing using
cfinsert/cfupdate, but that still requires the person making the page
to know how to do the code to handle a form update, and this is the
last mile that I referred to in my original post.
What I'm describing would probably
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workaround (which their quite possibly could be).
John
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John,
You're right in that you could do exactly what I'm describing using
cfinsert
On Jun 30, 2004, at 6:29 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
Out of curiosity, what can't you do with Director that you need to do
for
your application?
Why, that's Marc Cantor's old program -- saw him demo that years ago at
the SF Computer Faire (circa 1985)
I sat through the preso and found these
and that doesn't seem worthy of that unless there's some
workaround (which their quite possibly could be).
John
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John,
You're right
Dick, with all due respect, in 1985 my data-comm instructor was all hyped
up about this thing on the arpa-net called electronic-mail. Hell she even
expected us to wrap our heads around tcp/ip. I sat through her classes and
found these limitations:
the university wasn't handing out accounts to
Why, that's Marc Cantor's old program -- saw him demo that years ago at
the SF Computer Faire (circa 1985)
I'm sure it's changed a bit since then.
I sat through the preso and found these limitations
1) Mac and Win only
Seriously, is this a real limitation? How many customers are asking
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There's no reason this would expose tablename in the source.
Tablename/datasource would be completely ignored until the cfform tag
was handling a form, not rendering one.
-joe
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Ok, now I'm very confused.CFFORM's very existence is to render a
form. For a form to be submitted and the processing page to know
where to enter the form in a database and such, it would need to
receive that information from the form or have it coded in the
processing page. If it's coded
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There's no reason this would expose tablename in the source.
Tablename/datasource would be completely ignored until the cfform tag
was handling a form, not rendering one.
-joe
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Ok, now I'm very confused.CFFORM's very existence is to render a
form. For a form to be submitted and the processing page to know
where to enter the form in a database and such, it would need to
receive that information from the form or have
to http://www.macromedia.com/software/director/
Best of luck,
-mike
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On Jun 30, 2004, at 6:29 AM, Dave Watts
Laid out in action (written waiting on some email):
A cf_boundform custom tag that does what I'm talking about:
cfif thisTag.executionMode eq start
!--- If submitted, process the form ---
cfif isDefined(form.#attributes.name#) and form[attributes.name]
cfdump var=#form#
cfset formFields =
on the desktop instead of in a web browser?
That's Macromedia Central.
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Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:11 PM
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On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Oops!
Spoke too soon -- I
Sure you can use Central to run Flash on the desktop, but you could also
just use the Flash Player.
I actually have some flash games downloaded to my desktop and they are
associated to the flash player so it doesn't even launch a browser.
Of course, Flash doesn't have the capability (I don't
No, I am serious ... Dave Watts pointed out that If all you have is a
hammer, everything looks like a nail
Just because it can be done, doesnt mean it should be done. Trying to
build desktop applications in coldFusion is a bad idea. It is a server
language, thats its design. There are much more
Flash supports XML sockets throught its XMLSocket object. :)
-joe
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Sure you can use Central to run Flash on the desktop, but you
: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, I am serious ... Dave Watts pointed out that If all you have is a
hammer, everything looks like a nail
Just because it can be done, doesnt mean it should be done. Trying
'04
Flash supports XML sockets throught its XMLSocket object. :)
-joe
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From: Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:19:22 -0400
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sure you can use Central to run Flash on the desktop
: Blackstone @ CF-FUN '04
On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Oops!
Spoke too soon -- I was originally talking about non-browser-based GUIs.
Is there a standalone Flash UI.
Maybe there should be???
RDIAs?
Rich Desktop Interface Applications
You never know--something like this might
Joe Rinehart wrote:
Flash supports XML sockets throught its XMLSocket object. :)
Neat, I wasn't aware of that!
So, you could write a true chat server using flash and CFML under
Blackstone that doesn't require constant repeating connections every
second or every few seconds.. with the socket
So, you could write a true chat server using flash and CFML under
Blackstone that doesn't require constant repeating connections every
second or every few seconds.. with the socket open, Flash could send
data only when necessary, and receive data from CF only when there is
new data to be
So are you playing devil's advocate or do you really believe CF
would be good to use for desktop apps??:-)
No, I am serious ... Dave Watts pointed out that If all you have is
a hammer, everything looks like a nail
Well, I have lots of nails!
I think you may have misunderstood me. CF may
Let me guess, no pun intended?
John
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 6/29/2004 9:49 AM
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So are you playing devil's advocate or do you really believe CF
would be good to use for desktop
to maintain one application under 2 different languages.
Percy
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:49 AM
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So are you playing devil's advocate or do you really believe CF
would be good to use
Mike,
Oh yeah, that too! :-) Sorry, I guess you can see what products I work with
and which I don't.
--- Ben
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: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:00 AM
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Joe Rinehart wrote:
Flash supports XML sockets throught its XMLSocket object. :)
Neat, I wasn't aware of that!
So, you could write a true chat server using flash and CFML under
Blackstone that doesn't require constant
right now I got to studio :).
Thanks.
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You could do that already, using Flash Communications Server, that is
exactly what
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Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:54 AM
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for me the problem with Flash is the lack of connectivity to a database.
Yes, I know you
, 2004 10:10 AM
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Ben,
I was at the DC WAMMO demo last night, and as soon as I left, thought
of a question I meant to ask:if one of the goals of Blackstone is to
simplify application development for the Dreamweaver crowd, has there
been any thought
Thanks Sam.
I saw a couple of samples on the documentation for Screenweaver.I guess
now I don't have an excuse.
Thanks again,
Percy
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From: Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:40 AM
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Flash can connect
Ben,
Thanks - forgot about the Drumbeat, that was a while back!Didn't
quite mean as far as auto-generating the form itself, just defining a
relationship between the form and a table, but, hey, the less we have
to do...
-joe
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Of course, there's probably a DW wizard out there to do it already,
but if I hit alt-tab right now I got to studio :).
Have you checked the Application Objects in DW MX? They are very similar
to what you are asking for.
Massimo Foti
http://www.massimocorner.com
Cool, I'll take a look, thanks.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:35:31 +0200
Subject: Re: Blackstone @ CF-FUN '04
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Of course, there's probably a DW wizard out there to do it already,
but if I hit alt-tab
On Jun 29, 2004, at 6:49 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
So are you playing devil's advocate or do you really believe CF
would be good to use for desktop apps?? :-)
No, I am serious ... Dave Watts pointed out that If all you have is
a hammer, everything looks like a nail
Well, I have lots of
Well, here's the dilemma(s)
I want to write apps that:
-- run on Mac, 'Nix, windows desktops
...
So what are the tools available?
Java
JSP
_javascript_
C
Perl
Other cross-platform scripting languages
PHP
CFML
Off the top of my head, I might suggest Director or Central as
ree to
redistribute.
-Adam
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From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:41:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Blackstone @ CF-FUN '04
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jun 29, 2004, at 6:49 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
So are you playing devil's advocate or do you rea
Dick,
You might want to check out REALbasic, it seems to have most all of
what you are looking for:
http://www.realsoftware.com/
I've never used it myself, but one of my friends at IBM uses it to
write cross platform utilities.
Hopefully that's of some help.
- Brandon
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for me the problem with Flash is the lack of connectivity to a database.
Yes, I know you can connect viaa webservice; however it would be nice if
it could interface with an offline database.I
On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote:
I'd learn Java or VB. Writing a desktop application in CF seems like a
work-around.
From an IT manager's perspective, I have 10 proposals on my desk to
develop a new desktop app for my company.
There are other perspectives than an IT manager--
Dick Applebaum wrote:
But, from what Ben is demoing, it looks as if you don't need a web
server or a browser.
Sure, if user interaction is not required.
- Rick
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On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
Well, here's the dilemma(s)
I want to write apps that:
-- run on Mac, 'Nix, windows desktops
...
So what are the tools available?
Java
JSP
_javascript_
C
Perl
Other cross-platform scripting languages
PHP
CFML
Off the top of my
That wasn't it at all... it was that CF can respond to events other than
HTTP events.You still need a J2EE server to host the CFMX server.
Sam
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:31:14 -0400, Tom Jordahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Macromedia Central was designed around occasionally connected computing.
Things like DB queries would be refreshed when the computer was connected;
otherwise the cached data is used.
Check it out.
Tom, has there
Dick Applebaum wrote:
On Jun 29, 2004, at 12:00 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote:
The one that had to install
a webserver to work, wouldn't even make it to my top 5.
But, from what Ben is demoing, it looks as if you don't need a web
server or a browser.
It looks like you can replace the
Java server is still needed. And sure, you could indeed have an app that
never interacted with a web server or browser, if you so needed.
--- Ben
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Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:53 PM
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That wasn't
: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 6/29/2004 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Blackstone @ CF-FUN '04
Ben,
Thanks - forgot about the Drumbeat, that was a while back!Didn't
quite mean as far as auto-generating the form itself, just defining a
relationship between the form and a table
You can use Jetty's Servlet Container -- Jetty also has a Web Server,
but I am not sure that you need that if you aren't responding to HTTP
events.
Others have suggested that you could a desktop Flash application to
provide the GUI and initiate events similar to web service calls.
This is
On Jun 29, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Ben Forta wrote:
Correct, CF runs on top of a J2EE server (whether integrated or not),
and
that does not change. Gateways allow for all sorts of events (perhaps
not
HTTP originated events) to trigger ColdFusion processing, and
gateways allow
CF to return data
On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:58 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
app in the ultimate way -- having the ability to get the results I
need, can outweigh how elegantly the program was written.
I have nothing against learning other languages -- if I have a need.
All we are saying is that you have that
Thanks Brandon
I tried RealBASIC years ago and it still carried many of the
disadvantages that are inherent in the BASIC language.
A quick google shows me that they have just added SQL query support to
the latest release.
Prolly a step backwards for what I want to do
Dick
On Jun 29, 2004,
Is this an original feature of common web development platforms? Is something like this already available in .NET, J2EE, Websphere etc?
-F
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Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:14 PM
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What he demoed
and simpify data binding?
-joe
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From: Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:48:15 -0400
Subject: RE: Blackstone @ CF-FUN '04
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This sounds like it could be dangerous though.If there was some sort
of code generated on the client
John,
Just plugging in the ethernet cable is dangerous :)
I'm not suggesting creating any client-side code providing any type of
description of the database.Basically, I'm just suggesting that
CFFORM be combined, slightly, with CFINSERT/CFUPDATE so that on post
the CFFORM tag would realize it's
See my blog.
http://www.shayna.com/blog
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From: Alexander Sherwood
Slight OT here:
Anyone catch Ben's Blackstone keynote(s) at CF-FUN? It was rumored that he
was going to demo some features not previously shown on the User Group tour
this summer.
Anyone have the details?!;-)
Thanks!
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New feature:
ColdFusion Event Gateway.
ColdFusion is no longer tied to the web server.Not exactly sure how to
describe it just yet, but basically you can use ColdFusion to do all sort of
asynchronous processing of anything you can interact with in Java--JMS, IM,
SMS, filesystem change
Mmm
So you can run CF apps without a browser!
In theory, the drop folder could be an for an email received and routed
to the folder by another app.
Or, maybe the email program could invoke the CFC, itself.
My first CF host (circa 1998) had a custom written email setup ...
where you setup
On Jun 28, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Samuel R. Neff wrote:
What he demoed was the ability to call CFC methods in response to
non-HTTP
events, such as socket connections, database changes, file changes,
etc.
So, CF programs can be run without a browser.
Now, if you don't need a browser, why do you
You won't need a browser, except to manage the CF server--but you
might still want to keep writing web apps in CF as well.So don't
count the browser out yet!
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:43:34 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 28, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Samuel R. Neff wrote:
What
So, CF programs can be run without a browser.
Now, if you don't need a browser, why do you need a web server?
Dick
The point I got from this (and as Ben Forta said, this is one of those things that two weeks from now I'll think HOLY COW! and have a perfect example of how cool this is going to
On Jun 28, 2004, at 5:16 PM, Matt Woodward wrote:
So, CF programs can be run without a browser.
Now, if you don't need a browser, why do you need a web server?
Dick
The point I got from this (and as Ben Forta said, this is one of
those things that two weeks from now I'll think HOLY COW! and
Why not?
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:24:30 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 28, 2004, at 5:16 PM, Matt Woodward wrote:
So, CF programs can be run without a browser.
Now, if you don't need a browser, why do you need a web server?
Dick
The point I got from this (and
Dick Applebaum wrote:
So, I guess I could put a Swing front end on a CFMX app and run on the
desktop?
*cough* Flash *cough*
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On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Dick Applebaum wrote:
So, I guess I could put a Swing front end on a CFMX app and run on
the
desktop?
*cough* Flash *cough*
Of course (or is that of coarse)!What was I thinking -- Blackstone
has a procedural (as opposed to time-line)
On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Dick Applebaum wrote:
So, I guess I could put a Swing front end on a CFMX app and run on
the
desktop?
*cough* Flash *cough*
Oops!
Spoke too soon -- I was originally talking about non-browser-based GUIs.
Is there a standalone Flash UI.
Maybe
On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Oops!
Spoke too soon -- I was originally talking about non-browser-based GUIs.
Is there a standalone Flash UI.
Maybe there should be???
RDIAs?
Rich Desktop Interface Applications
You never know--something like this might be in the works.I've
Flash applications that run on the desktop instead of in a web browser?
That's Macromedia Central.
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From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:11 PM
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On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Oops
?
That's Macromedia Central.
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From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
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On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:58 PM, Rick Root wrote:
Oops!
Spoke too soon -- I was originally talking about non-browser-based
@ CF-FUN '04
Ben
I'll go re-checkout Central.
But what I meant was CF/Flash on the desktop -- seems like CFMX/Java
can do a lot of apps.
But Swing is not all that rich an interface (and as Barney
pointed out
a PITA to implement)
What I am hoping/asking is:
With Blackstone can I
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: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But Sam,
The pricing is based on a distro modlel of thousands (or hundreds of
thousands).
If you have a pricing based on hundreds of millions of
desktops
: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:02 AM
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But Sam,
The pricing is based on a distro modlel of thousands (or hundreds of
thousands).
If you have a pricing based on hundreds of millions of
desktops, that's
quite another thing.
What it boils down
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