RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Thomas Chiverton
Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/ Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread usr1
I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I see it CF is far

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Kris Pilles
that we see fit Hate to say it but my days on the list are numbered... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Gary W. Sullivan II
Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I'm hard pressed not to move all of my future development to .Net. AS much as I love CF and how well I know it, Being a Windows application developer, I can't not switch to .NET it will allow me to have all of our programmers on 1 platforma dn deploy our applications

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Kris Pilles
Good point. -Original Message- From: Gary W. Sullivan II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP Well, Kim... Keep in mind that you can still be a .NET guru and live in harmony with CF!!! I, too, am a Windows App

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Benoit Hediard
Objet : RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Rob Rohan
Oh my, the reasons are endless. Here is my $.0002 1. ASP has (last time I checked) awful access to database info. The steps to do a simple query were nuts. CF database access is much more intuitive. 2. A lot easier to learn, if you don't know VB or some other programming

RE: CF vs ASP

2002-10-09 Thread Stacy Young
. Stace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Rizal Firmansyah wrote: WOW! Jochem, this is weird. First i thought the first time cfmail being executed within .cfm script, it creates an email-msg file containing all data, including attachments if any. No, just a reference to the attachment. But apparently it doesn't :( Do you

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Liotta wrote: The problem here is that cfmail doesn't block while the file is in the spool. You are either going to need to adapt your code to support some sort of asynchronous events or use a mail library you can serialize e.g. javax.mail. Hence my comment about first figuring out how

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Everett, Al
-Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Attempting to show that CF is a more rabid development platform than ASP... Petco* has low-cost clinics every two weeks. You seem to be frothing at the mouth. cf_tongueInCheek * Large pet supply chain in the U.S.

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Edwards Robert (air0rae)
- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Matt I think the problem is that the alternative being discussed is from MSoft and the natural reaction is to barf if something is being shoved down your throat -- common

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Jeremy Allen
I know the whole CF and why people are using it issue has been hashed out quite a bit but I would like to add my two cents coming from a different background than most web developers. I started my programmer career with C. In C you have absolute control over everything going on in your program.

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Gyrus
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] People on this list are amazing. I haven't pointed out anything that is wrong with CF in this thread. I have simply pointed out that sometimes other solutions are better, which is far from hating CF. ---

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Matt Liotta
To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Matt Liotta wrote: The problem here is that cfmail doesn't block while the file is in the spool. You are either going to need to adapt your code to support some sort of asynchronous events or use a mail library you can serialize e.g. javax.mail

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Matt Liotta
]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] People on this list are amazing. I haven't pointed out anything that is wrong with CF in this thread. I have simply pointed out that sometimes other

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Jacob
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Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Gyrus
- Original Message - From: Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Knew this was going to be a big thread... --- How about CFvsASP-Talk !! ;-) - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Joe Eugene
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP I know the whole CF and why people are using it issue has been hashed out quite a bit but I would like to add my two cents coming from a different background than most web developers. I started my programmer career with C

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Bryan Stevenson
] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Sure... but the same could be said about ANY programming language. But this isn't ANY-Talk. This is CF-Talk and we are discussing CF vs. ASP, which makes it relevant. I certainly don't believe ColdFusion is the ultimate solution

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Matthew R. Small
] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Sure... but the same could be said about ANY programming language. But this isn't ANY-Talk. This is CF-Talk and we are discussing CF vs. ASP, which makes it relevant. I certainly don't believe ColdFusion is the ultimate solution

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Perez, Jimmy
lists for it!) Jimmy -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP I know that I am chiming in late here, but here goes. Learning another language can never hurt. Case in point. I put all of my

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Perez, Jimmy
Would that be with the CFSHUTTLE tag? Mr. Sulu, instantiate the fuel tank separation CFC! -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP sorry, i didnt mean to come across like that, if you read

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Perez, Jimmy
Shack) you might have your foot in the door with the I am flexible and constantly expand my horizons argument. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP thank you bryan! let matt be matt, i

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 09:11 , Matthew R. Small wrote: Intranets are one thing I can think of. I have an intranet here that I wrote last year using CF - because I am most experienced at CF. However, I believe that had I written it in ASP, I would have not encountered the numerous

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Matthew R. Small
-357-1847 http://www.showstopperonline.com -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 09:11 , Matthew R. Small wrote: Intranets are one thing I can think

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 11:25 , Matthew R. Small wrote: Well, just to put your comments in perspective, let me ask a question: Did you research other technologies to see if there was one better suited to the need of your intranet? Yes, we already use BroadVision, Perl CGI, ASP... we

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Alex
Use the right tool for the job. And if you have to ask if you should keep all your eggs in one basket then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Perez, Jimmy wrote: Hello all, I am a CF certified developer (missed advanced by three points) but am thinking of expanding

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Christopher Olive
as much as we all love CF, it is NEVER a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket. let me repeat that for emphasis. IT IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET. in my own experience, companies are more likely to be in favor of someone with one or two specialties, but with a

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Shawn Grover
Sooner or later you, as a web developer, will run into a situation where CF is not an option (client choice, server restrictions, etc.). When this happens, if you haven't learned ASP/VBScript, or some other suitable technology, then you probably won't be able to work on the project. With ASP

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jillian Carroll
My .02 is: If you 'put all your eggs in one basket' you lock yourself out of another potentially rewarding market: the website/application UPGRADE. People may have existing sites in .asp, .php, etc that are perfectly usable and functional... and they want to add functionality. If you only know

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Perez, Jimmy
As long as the price is right... :) Thanks -Original Message- From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Use the right tool for the job. And if you have to ask if you should keep all your eggs in one basket then I

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Buddy
Keeping in mind the movements toward J2EE in the recent CF release, I would recommend looking into the Java/JSP world. It will help you with your future CF work, but also open a world of possibilities outside CF as well. Also you can run Java/JSP for free. I recently did it on a huge production

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Shawn Regan
I have found myself doing projects in VB, VBScript, ASP, Cold Fusion, PHP, Perl etc... It doesn't hurt to know. It came in handy for me. Some I learned while using them :) Shawn Regan pacifictechnologysolutions 15530-B Rockfield Blvd. Suite 4 Irvine, CA 92618 949.830.1623 w w w . p t s 1 . c o

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Being that I'm finally going to learn some ASP and PHP, I have a quick question regarding ASP and ASP.NET. I have taken a quick look at ASP 2 or 3 (can't remember which) which was long enough to know that it was never going to be a favourite like CF. My question is what is the difference

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Carcieri
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP My .02 is: If you 'put all your eggs in one basket' you lock yourself out of another potentially rewarding market: the website/application UPGRADE. People may have existing sites in .asp, .php, etc

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Perez, Jimmy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP As long as the price is right... :) Thanks

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Robert Everland
getting a job or a competitor. Robert Everland III Web Developer Extraordinaire Dixon Ticonderoga Company http://www.dixonusa.com -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP CASE IN POINT

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Hello all, I am a CF certified developer (missed advanced by three points) but am thinking of expanding my horizons/marketability. I have started getting up to speed in ASP/VBScript but the question keeps coming up: should I even spend any time doing this or should I just concentrate on

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP CASE IN POINT TOO MANY LINES/CHARACTERS OF BS VBSHIT CODE Dim MyMail Dim MsgText Set MsgText = Request.Form(FirstName

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jacob
Learn ASP as much as you can. This way, it is easier to re-write everything in CF. At 02:43 PM 8/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: Hello all, I am a CF certified developer (missed advanced by three points) but am thinking of expanding my horizons/marketability. I have started getting up to speed

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Dave Watts
Yeah but unless you're hosting it for them, they will have to pay an additional amount of money to buy CF Server to run that easier code. While certain things like that are much easier to code in CF, if you're trying to get a customer and it's a big site, $500 could be the difference

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Bryan Stevenson
- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Oh

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jon Hall
No reason to buy an older ASP book if that's what you mean. The languages are basically the same, except for VBScript finally being typed, and getting decent error handling. ASP has always been more about integrating COM objects than anything. A tag in cf = com object in asp... The CLR is

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Mike Townend
:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Oh please! You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because all of the cfmail code is hidden from you; it doesn't mean it isn't there. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Ben Forta
of goods, not to mention the time you'll save them too. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Yeah but unless you're hosting it for them, they will have to pay an additional

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Dave Watts
Oh please! You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because all of the cfmail code is hidden from you; it doesn't mean it isn't there. While I don't buy Tony's comparison in full (there are certainly cleaner ways to write the ASP code), I think you're missing the point. Sure, all the same

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Benjamin S. Rogers
in a lot of situations. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP CASE IN POINT TOO MANY LINES/CHARACTERS OF BS VBSHIT

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Bryan Stevenson
- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP No reason to buy

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Matt I think Tony is bang on. Yes the additinal code may be hidden from

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Matt I think Tony is bang on. Yes the additinal code may be hidden from us, but because of that fact we can develop faster and reduce development costs for clients. That said I still think it's

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP And wait until you get a project that utilises a lot of COM objects... ASP and ASP.NET handles COM a lot easier that CF 5 and especially MX. You need to use the tool that fits the job

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP And the first time they want to do full text searching, or basic graphing, or simple things like handling file uploads or using POP (or LDAP or server side HTTP) you'll need to be add-on modules and components that will cost you more than the $500

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP I'll sell you an object you can call from ASP in one line just like cfmail for $200. Attempting to show that CF is a more rabid development platform than ASP

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
: CF vs. ASP Oh please! You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because all of the cfmail code is hidden from you; it doesn't mean it isn't there. While I don't buy Tony's comparison in full (there are certainly cleaner ways to write the ASP code), I think you're missing the point. Sure

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
anyhow, the truth of the matter is thisif i can develop rich cf applications for companies in half the time, that it might take an asp coder to do it, with half the code, i will, and until something better comes along, thats what im doing... I am not disagreeing that CF is faster to

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Bruce Sorge
I know that I am chiming in late here, but here goes. Learning another language can never hurt. Case in point. I put all of my eggs in one basket and stuck to just CF. Although I have a good job that pays very well, I am finding that I am starting to regret limiting myself to just CF. Currently

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP anyhow, the truth of the matter is thisif i can develop rich cf applications for companies in half the time, that it might take an asp coder to do it, with half the code, i will, and until something better comes along

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP speak for yourself matt, since you dont have confidence in your work being the biggest baddest web apps in the world, it doesnt surprise me that you dont find cf

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Fitch, Tyler
M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP speak

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
cake! with, can you guess ladies and gentsCF peace. tw -Original Message- From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Tony, A little fired up? Biggest baddest apps in the world. Cnn.com, yahoo.com

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP speak for yourself matt, since you dont have confidence in your work being the biggest baddest web apps in the world, it doesnt surprise me that you dont find cf as the same. its a shame, a darn shame, you

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Liotta wrote: I am not disagreeing that CF is faster to develop in. I am simply pointing out that it is not because one particular feature takes less lines to code in CF than another language. I suspect that just as much time is spent in another language learning an email library's API

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Alex
What's more important here is where will you, the CF developer, be if macromedia goes out of business. I remember speaking to a business basic guru that took business basic to the limits; even writing bad ass web apps. __ Your

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
but, to put it blatantly honest, its all about perspective... in my mind, if im not building the biggest baddest web apps in the world, then im building nothing...and who is the judge of that? me. and really, only me. thanks. So if I hire you to create hello world in CF, will it be the

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
-Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP but, to put it blatantly honest, its all about perspective... in my mind, if im not building the biggest baddest web apps in the world, then im building

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread novakbanda
Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Matt Liotta wrote: I am not disagreeing that CF is faster to develop in. I am simply pointing out that it is not because one particular feature takes less lines to code

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Paris Lundis
] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP You know to this day it still amazes me things people say! Kinda like the old Mac is better than Microsoft, or even

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jochem van Dieten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this is a really loaded question... but what is it that you want it to do? I want to spool email with attachments and be able to delete the attachments right away. Since the mail in the spoolfolder simply stores a reference to the file and only attaches the

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread novakbanda
: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this is a really loaded question... but what is it that you want it to do? I want to spool email with attachments and be able

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
- From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Matt Liotta wrote: I am not disagreeing that CF is faster to develop in. I am simply pointing out that it is not because one particular feature

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jochem van Dieten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How often are you sending your mail? In most cases with email, you want to send it right away... in which case, the attachment would be deleted after the mail was sent. Right, after it is sent. Not after it is spooled. What type of setup/application are you

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
about that for a bit Pablo Varando http://www.cfpablo.com http://www.easycfm.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Well that is just what I was getting at. It is nice

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
://www.cfpablo.com http://www.easycfm.com - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How often are you sending your mail? In most cases with email, you

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread novakbanda
to the garage, and get the hammer. :-) -Novak - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Well that is just what I was getting at. It is nice that CF has all this wrapped up

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread novakbanda
26, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP The emai spooling in most cases happens so fast, it's not really even understandable why you'd want to delete the attachemtn first anyways. In most cases you don't even realize the spooled email is there. How big are the files you are spooling? Maybe

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
Not necessarily. Truth is that by having it all built in on one place, you are simplying your life, not to mention that when you do run into trouble it's easier to get help and solutions. Again, it is only easier when the built-in solution works. I am not sure why you are having such a hard

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
Sure... but the same could be said about ANY programming language. But this isn't ANY-Talk. This is CF-Talk and we are discussing CF vs. ASP, which makes it relevant. I certainly don't believe ColdFusion is the ultimate solution for EVERY job, just like I don't use a pipe wrench when I

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Pablo Varando wrote: The emai spooling in most cases happens so fast, it's not really even understandable why you'd want to delete the attachemtn first anyways. I don't. I've just been asked to build it. In most cases you don't even realize the spooled email is there. I see a problem in

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Pablo Varando wrote: The emai spooling in most cases happens so fast, it's not really even understandable why you'd want to delete the attachemtn first anyways. I don't. I've just been asked to build

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
wouldn't be on this list Pablo Varando http://www.cfpablo.com http://www.easycfm.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP Not necessarily. Truth is that by having it all

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
gratzie pablo, eloquently stated !!! tw -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP I will agree that at times there are good tools you can implement to get the job done faster. A few

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
:] Pablo Varando http://www.cfpablo.com http://www.easycfm.com - Original Message - From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP gratzie pablo, eloquently stated !!! tw -Original Message

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
The reason I said: I'm sitting here asking myself, why you hate ColdFusion so much is because every time some one replies to your answers/posts, you seem to find something wrong from that. I am just having a technical debate. My personal feelings don't enter into it. If I let my personal

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP The reason I said: I'm sitting here asking myself, why you hate ColdFusion so much is because every time some one replies to your answers/posts, you seem to find something wrong from that. I am just having a technical debate

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Paris Lundis
in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Not necessarily. Truth is that by having it all built in on one place, you are simplying your life

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Pablo Varando wrote: Well what code are you using to loop through and send the emails? cfset thefile = d:\cdr\p.jpg cfmail from=#email# to=#email# subject=test cfmailparam file=#thefile# test /cfmail cffile action=delete file=#thefile# Error in the mail.log:

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matthew Walker
over ASP. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 1:57 p.m. To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP The reason I said: I'm sitting here asking myself, why you hate ColdFusion so much is because every time some one replies

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Tony Weeg
i guess the cfx_sleep tag to pause that for a second or two wouldnt suffice here? tw -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Pablo Varando wrote: Well what code are you using

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Pablo Varando
Ok, and how are you calling this page? From a URL or via Customtag(Include)? Pablo Varando http://www.cfpablo.com http://www.easycfm.com - Original Message - From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: Re: CF vs

RE: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Matt Liotta
://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs. ASP Pablo Varando wrote: Well what code are you using to loop through

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Dick Applebaum
Interesting question... I was just making the same argument (on another list) for CF vs WiTango (replacement for Pervasive's Tango). Tango was/is (approximately) DWMX, CFMX/JRun and a pretty good RDBMS all rolled into one --- with the ability to develop web and desktop applications on/for

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 05:56 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: Well that is just what I was getting at. It is nice that CF has all this wrapped up functionality, but it comes at a price. That price is control. Sure there is usually a way to get it to do what you want, but that generally takes

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Dick Applebaum
Claro! On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 06:07 PM, Pablo Varando wrote: The truth is that THAT is the beauty of Coldfusion, an all in one solution that is really affordable and easy to use. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Dick Applebaum
Matt I think the problem is that the alternative being discussed is from MSoft and the natural reaction is to barf if something is being shoved down your throat -- common sense and merits adide! Dick On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 06:20 PM, Matt Liotta wrote: People on this list are

Re: CF vs. ASP

2002-08-26 Thread Rizal Firmansyah
At 09:14 AM 8/27/2002, you wrote: cfset thefile = d:\cdr\p.jpg cfmail from=#email# to=#email# subject=test cfmailparam file=#thefile# test /cfmail cffile action=delete file=#thefile# Error in the mail.log: Error,scheduler-4,08/27/02,04:03:47,,Sending failed; nested exception is:

RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being

2002-04-04 Thread Daye, Marianne
to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote

RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being

2002-04-04 Thread Robert Everland
explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier

RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being

2002-04-04 Thread Andy Ewings
you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have

RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being

2002-04-04 Thread Alex
. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork

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