Re: try-catch was RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-16 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
On Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002, at 17:26 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: Isaac the Butcher of Fusion ... :) Careful, that might stick! :) At least then I'd be assured a reputation. :) [horrific factorial implemented with try/catch snipped] Of course not... For starters, there are existing

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-16 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Subject: RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) The try isn't too expensive, but the catch can be. However, running a bunch of trys within a loop can also degrade performance. The catch generates significant overhead when an exception is thrown because

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-16 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) The try isn't too expensive, but the catch can be. However, running a bunch of trys within a loop can also degrade performance. The catch generates significant overhead when an exception is thrown because a copy of the stack has

Re: try-catch was RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-16 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Wednesday, Oct 16, 2002, at 06:13 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: [horrific factorial implemented with try/catch snipped] Yech... I pitty your server. :P My Mac laptop, you mean? :) In answer to Kola's question about try-catch in CF5: try-catch generally introduces an overhead in every

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Hi Sean, have I missed something, are you saying try and catch add a significant performance overhead? Thanks Kola -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 October 2002 02:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: I understand companies who have a fear of Macromedia and Microsoft going away so they want the languages to be standardized. But let me ask something really blunt. What standard do you mean? The MS standard? The Java standard? I think Java would be a good example.

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Vince Bonfanti
) for performance reasons. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-15 Thread Raymond Camden
2. throw in cfscript Just to be anal - this is trivial with a UDF in CFMX. Yes, it would be nicer for it to be 'native', but it would be a pretty simple UDF. I'll add it to cflib.org if it isn't there already. I'll also update my include() udf to support includes JSP. This will make it like BDs

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Vince Bonfanti
http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) I am all for healthy competition, but I'm wondering if introducing

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
Regarding the addition of tags to non-Macromedia implementations of CFML-parsers/application-servers: I can't see any problem at all, as long as there are new additions they should just be seen as customtags implemented in the server. It is not much different than having a different set of

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Ken Wilson
It is not much different than having a different set of custom-tags, on different servers. Not exactly. Custom tags can be easily copied to another server. That can't be said for something that is integrated into the server itself. So any app that relies on that functionality breaks if it gets

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Vince Bonfanti wrote: snipa lot that I like/snip 3) Any CFML enhancements introduced by BlueDragon are proprietary and are not part of the CFML standard, and will be clearly documented as such. Of course, we will be delighted if/when Macromedia adopts any of our enhancements as

Re: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 17:13 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: There is another way to simulate variables or ranges in a case statement with a cftry and cfcatch blocks... try/catch is a pretty heavy operation - you should only use it for (unexpected) error cases, not normal

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| -Original Message- | From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Not exactly. Custom tags can be easily copied to another server. That | can't be said for something that is integrated into the server itself. | So any app that relies on that functionality breaks if it | gets moved to |

Re: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
damn keyboard shortcuts... I've used try catch for a number of non-error handling items .. properly implemented, it works pretty well. Or at least it has for me. Have you timed it? (I won't even start on the stylistic implications of this!) I guess I probably should explicitely time test

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) I've been working _toward_ making my cms application compatible

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Vince Bonfanti
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Vince Bonfanti wrote: snipa lot that I like/snip 3) Any CFML enhancements introduced by BlueDragon are proprietary and are not part

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Mike Chambers
for flow control. hope that helps... mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Hi

RE: try-catch was RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) try/catch is a pretty heavy operation - you should only use it for (unexpected) error cases, not normal operation... ~| Archives: http

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Vernon Viehe
at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Other than the part about a parser (BlueDragon is much more than that), I

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Vernon Viehe
To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Regarding the addition of tags to non-Macromedia implementations of CFML-parsers/application-servers: I can't see any problem at all, as long as there are new additions they should just be seen as customtags implemented

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Benjamin S. Rogers
.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Hugo Ahlenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) | -Original Message- | From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Not exactly. Custom

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Thanks Vince. I know I debate hard but in truth the only thing I was worried about was the possibility of a language split and the weakening of CF because of it. Have you thought of placing some of the changes in BD into custom tags (CFX, COM, Class, etc.) for distribution? Other than the part

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
From: Benjamin S. Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] A way to minimize the problem would be for New Atlanta to use a different namespace (so to speak) for their tags. I'm not talking something as complicated as XML namespaces, but simply using a different naming scheme, such as bdforward.

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
From: Benjamin S. Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] A way to minimize the problem would be for New Atlanta to use a different namespace (so to speak) for their tags. I'm not talking something as complicated as XML namespaces, but simply using a different naming scheme, such as bdforward.

Re: try-catch was RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002, at 07:51 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I suppose I should clarify by saying that I haven't simply disregarded the original intent of cftry all-together. I do use it mostly for error handling, although much of it is for custom error handling, such as server

Re: try-catch was RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
There have been a handful ( maybe a half dozen ) situations where I found the cftry was extremely helpful in creating an easily human read/writeable codeblock where the only alternative I could think of would have been a horrible mess of spaghetti code. Yes, that is true. There are

Re: try-catch was RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-15 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002, at 17:26 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: Isaac the Butcher of Fusion ... :) Careful, that might stick! :) [horrific factorial implemented with try/catch snipped] Of course not... For starters, there are existing UDF's on cflib.org to handle factorials. :P And I'm

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread jtwilker
I've experimented with BlueDragon also. I looked at it just before they released the new version. It's pretty easy to get up and running. I'm hoping they get a version with MX functionality pretty soon but am still looking at the V5 version. An application we are working on will need a CF back

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Vince Bonfanti
: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) I thought I would change the subject to better reflect the topic of this thread. Joe asks... Has anybody deployed any CF applications on Blue Dragon.. How are they working? Any issues? I've played with BlueDragon only enough to know that is does

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) For what it's worth, the BlueDragon sections of New Atlanta's web site, starting

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Robertson
-9191 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) For what it's worth

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Vince Bonfanti
Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Mosh Teitelbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Not that I think the idea behind the newly introduced tags

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Eugene, Joseph
what it is and I'll see if we can get it implemented in BlueDragon. Joe -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Yep, understood. That's why we're

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Robertson
-Original Message- From: Mosh Teitelbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Not that I think the idea behind the newly introduced tags are bad (in fact, quite the opposite

CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
, October 14, 2002 5:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Yep, understood. That's why we're also planning to support the GetPageContext() function (though not in the service pack). We're hopeful that if we introduce anything that's truly useful in the way

switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I should probably keep my nose out of this one. :) Ah... this is why competition is good. I don't have a new feature, per se, but I do have a pet peeve that came about from porting an app written in another language to an online CF version. The CFCASE portion of CFSWITCH is sorely limited

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Yep, understood. That's why we're also planning to support the GetPageContext() function (though not in the service pack). We're hopeful that if we introduce anything that's truly useful in the way of new tags or functions

Re: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Robertson
No, the ZIPs aren't common usage, but I've certainly had to deal with it a lot. Just used them to illustrate the point. Another issue with the same application was doing age ranges. Simple to type ''30 to 45'' and annoying to have to type out ''30,31,32,33...'' etc. What I'm curious about

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Vernon Viehe
PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Great... i think i am starting to like Blue Dragon, atleast they are receptive and want to listen to developers problems and issues It might be time to look at other

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Robertson wrote: 5 lines of code, total. While you could do this without *too* much more CF code, this is a very simple example. Doing U.S. ZIP code ranges, where you are selecting combinations of individual ZIPs and ranges - can be coded in a LOT fewer lines if you allow something

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
it is and I'll see if we can get it implemented in BlueDragon. Joe -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Yep, understood. That's why

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Rob Rohan
: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) No, the ZIPs aren't common usage, but I've certainly had to deal with it a lot. Just used them to illustrate the point. Another issue with the same application was doing age ranges. Simple to type ''30 to 45'' and annoying to have to type out

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Of course, the price of this ease of coding may be horrifying performance for both CF and Blue Dragon... but you asked ;D I always believed the whole point of a switch statement was that only the switch side had to be evaluated as an

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Robertson
Jochem van Dieten wrote: How much does CF *really* need? Pseudocode: cfif variables.ZIPCode LT 93711 ...blahblahblah... cfelseif mySwitch(variables.ZIPCode, 93712, 93713 TO 93940, 93950, 94086 TO 95050) ...blahblahblah... cfelseif variables.ZIPCode GT 93711

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Vince brings up a good point. Certainly, a little

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Jochem van Dieten wrote: How much does CF *really* need? Pseudocode: cfif variables.ZIPCode LT 93711 ...blahblahblah... cfelseif mySwitch(variables.ZIPCode, 93712, 93713 TO 93940, 93950, 94086 TO 95050) ...blahblahblah... cfelseif variables.ZIPCode GT 93711

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Since we are on a wish list, I would rather just have the ability to use

Re: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
No, the ZIPs aren't common usage, but I've certainly had to deal with it a lot. Just used them to illustrate the point. Another issue with the same application was doing age ranges. Simple to type ''30 to 45'' and annoying to have to type out ''30,31,32,33...'' etc. Yea, I'd probably

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 16:06 US/Pacific, Mosh Teitelbaum wrote: Macromedia's perceived lack of response has been a fairly popular topic on this list. While I don't completely agree with the perception, anything that allows developers greater interaction with MM (such as a JCP-like

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Since we are on a wish list, I would rather just have the ability to use variables in a case statement. Then you could do a hack like cfscript myrange=; for(i=30; i lt 45; i=i+1){ devnull = listAppend(myrange,i,,);l } /cfscript cfswitch expression=#myswitch# cfcase

RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Rob Rohan
]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Since we are on a wish list, I would rather just have the ability to use variables in a case statement. Then you could do a hack like cfscript myrange

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Stacy Young
The ability to spawn a function into multiple, concurrent threads to complete a request in parallel? Stace -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Dick Applebaum
I should probably stay out of this--- oh, what the hell. I think that a lot of excellent points have been made in this thread. Here are my thoughts: 1) One entity should own and control the CFML language! 2) Any number of entities can/should offer competitive implementations of the language!

Re: switch-case was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 17:13 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: There is another way to simulate variables or ranges in a case statement with a cftry and cfcatch blocks... try/catch is a pretty heavy operation - you should only use it for (unexpected) error cases, not normal

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 18:00 US/Pacific, Dick Applebaum wrote: I should probably stay out of this--- oh, what the hell. Now look what you've started! :) BTW, Vince, I'd like typing of variables and Nulls in CFML :) Hey Vince, ya wanna see my feature wishlist? It's *really* long!! In no

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Let me see if I follow your second argument here. I create a work. Someone else copies the work. Because that someone else copied my work, I should give up control of it to a third person? The entire system of intellectual copywrite that exists at the moment would cause this to fail and

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 06:14 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: Now look what you've started! :) Gotcha -- I knew you were there. Seriously, I do think that without control and standardization of the CFML language, all implementations (and users) will suffer! Dick

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread John Wilker
: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 06:14 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: Now look what you've started! :) Gotcha -- I knew you were there. Seriously, I do think that without control and standardization of the CFML language, all implementations (and users) will suffer

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Ben Forta
To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 18:00 US/Pacific, Dick Applebaum wrote: I should probably stay out of this--- oh, what the hell. Now look what you've started! :) BTW, Vince, I'd like typing

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Miller, Kevin
now, MM is the only group that determines that. Kevin -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Let me see if I

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Lee Fuller
Never! We want it ALL! CF will take over the WORLD! ;) | -Original Message- | From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:34 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was | RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Joe Eugene
language or code... we have proven this before... Joe -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) On Monday, Oct 14

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Joe Eugene
, 2002 9:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) You know, to make Basic coders happy, how about: CFGOTO LABEL= And to make us C/C++ coders happy, pre-processor directives: CFDEFINE CFIFDEF CFIFNDEF /CFIFNDEF

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 19:00 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote: Sean... there are alot of instances.. where we need strongly typed language or code... we have proven this before... No, no one has *proven* anything. In fact, other languages manage just fine without strong types - which

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
, October 14, 2002 6:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Let me see if I follow your second argument here. I create a work. Someone else copies the work. Because that someone else copied my work, I should give up

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Joe Eugene
standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 19:00 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote: Sean... there are alot of instances.. where we need strongly typed language or code... we have proven this before... In fact, other languages manage just

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Ben Forta
, October 14, 2002 10:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Ben, CFScript.. looks and adopts some good features of Java/C++.. why not allow CFScript.. to have a strong language type? atleast as an optional coding style

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 06:42 PM, Miller, Kevin wrote: Let me see if I follow your second argument here. I create a work. Someone else copies the work. Because that someone else copied my work, I should give up control of it to a third person? The entire system of intellectual

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
If I understand correctly, the language, CFM, can not (or can no longer) be copyrighted -- only implementations of the language. (I don't necessarily agree with this, but apparently that's the way is is). Can you give a source for this? I'd like to know why CFML can't be copywrited. What I

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Judith Dinowitz
I am all for healthy competition, but I'm wondering if introducing new tags into a different flavor of ColdFusion is a good idea. In the current economy, when we should be working to strengthen ColdFusion in the marketplace, I think this will lead to more confusion, a diversion of the

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Dick Applebaum
I agree, whole-heartedly with all that!. However, I don.t think anyone can copyright a language, only the implementation of the language, For precedent, there are lots of CoBOLs, ForTrans, BASICs, out there. Dick On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 07:50 PM, Judith Dinowitz wrote: I am all

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 19:30 US/Pacific, Dick Applebaum wrote: Rather than have the chaos of Babel, at some point, if there are lots of implementers of CFML, control of the (non-copyrighted) CFML language should be placed in the hands on an independent entity. Well, we told Sun that back

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 07:41 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If I understand correctly, the language, CFM, can not (or can no longer) be copyrighted -- only implementations of the language. (I don't necessarily agree with this, but apparently that's the way is is). Can you give a

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 18:00 US/Pacific, Dick

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Let me see if I follow your second argument here. I create a work. Someone else copies the work. Because that someone else copied my work, I should give up control of it to a third person

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Joe Eugene
we should be working to strengthen ColdFusion in the marketplace, I think.. we are on the same page... Joe -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) And to this I have say, so what? MM has the say on what's part of CF and what's not. Sun has a say on what's part of Java and what's not. MS has a say on what's part of their programming languages and what's not. When a third party wants to use

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 20:04 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: What happened to cffinally anyway? It was in the beta of Neo and then later taken out. I guess there wasn't time before launch to finish and fully QA the implementation of that tag? A lot of things changed between the beta and

Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
-Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Let me see if I follow your second argument here. I create

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
Can you give a source for this? I'd like to know why CFML can't be copywrited. I don't think CFML is copyrighted. I believe that CFML is simply a syntax that is implemented by a copyrighted work. Thus, the implementation is protected, but not the syntax. As it is, the full syntax must be

Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
But only one Java. I agree, whole-heartedly with all that!. However, I don.t think anyone can copyright a language, only the implementation of the language, For precedent, there are lots of CoBOLs, ForTrans, BASICs, out there. Dick On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 07:50 PM, Judith

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
, 2002 10:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) I am all for healthy competition, but I'm wondering if introducing new tags into a different flavor of ColdFusion is a good idea. In the current economy, when we should be working to strengthen ColdFusion

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) Let me see if I

RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)

2002-10-14 Thread Matt Liotta
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) But only one Java. I agree, whole-heartedly with all that!. However, I don.t think anyone can copyright a language, only the implementation

RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?))

2002-10-14 Thread Rob Rohan
:) -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFML standardization (was RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)) You know, to make Basic coders happy, how about: CFGOTO LABEL