Re: Adobe sues Macromedia????
The Adobe patent is basically just an electronic extension of a card index, to be found in every library, in every country all over the world, and I am fairly sure that they were there first! I have one on my desk now, I can take cards out, move them around, put them back again. About the only thing I cant do is... oh hold on a sec while I test this would you look at that, I can stack them in to new custom piles as well!!! - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 6:16 PM Subject: RE: Adobe sues Macromedia Exactly... It is such a lame patent adobe is trying to win with. specifically they are referring to the way their tabs work in photoshop if anyone is interested in seeing how many programs you can find that breach the patent. Okay you have two dialogs one is the color dialog and maybe the other is the history dialog each has a few tabs. You can drag that particular 'tab' over to another dialog and that tab is now on that dialog. I just did that with CF Studio and I *know* I have done that in Visual Studio. Point is.. its lame and ive seen the *exact* thing nearly in stuff that I know was around before Photoshop had it, so I really hope Macromedia does not have a hard time convincing the judge that there is plenty of prior art and existing art... From what I understand however, patents are not like trademarks where you have to defend them religiously you can just pick and choose when you defend your patent. I am not super clear on this one so dont take my advice :) This is just what I have come to understand. And to tie it into CF, CFstudio does almost the exact same thing except it lacks a 'container' type widget for the tabs. Ugh well anywhu... Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Insert cool title here] -Original Message- From: JustinMacCarthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Adobe sues Macromedia They are suing over "tearable tabs" where you can click on a tab and drag it off the dialog it is on etc. Or you can drag it to CFSTUDIO too!! -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Adobe sues Macromedia????
JustinMacCart hy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] macarthy@iolcc: .ie Subject: Re: Adobe sues Macromedia 08/14/2000 11:58 AM Please respond to cf-talk They are suing over "tearable tabs" where you can click on a tab and drag it off the dialog it is on etc. Or you can drag it to CFSTUDIO too!! All Corel products have had this for years. Given the ubiquitous nature of tearoff tabs, I can't imagine how the yoyos at Adobe could hope to win such a suit. This looks to me like a ploy to slow down a progressive company by a not-so-progressive company. Two thumbs down. --John -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Adobe sues Macromedia????
I have been following this and it really seems to be a paper-thin lawsuit that is basically seeing if Adobe has a defendable patent or not. They are suing over "tearable tabs" where you can click on a tab and drag it off the dialog it is on etc. Or you can drag it to new dialogs to create your own custom dialogs. the only problem is this has been in the Unix world since before Photoshop existed just about. At least since the very very early 90's OpenStep has had this, and I know for certain certain parts of Visual Studio have this feature. I am not sure exactly what product Adobe is suing Macromedia for using this patened 'technology'. Patents like that are just not ground breaking software patents. However... they do pose a very bad threat to us. Amazon gets away with One-Click shopping. claiming they spend millions in research for this when Its kind of like a logical procession of a shopping site to store most of the clients data behind the scenes. Patents like this threaten the well being of software as a whole. Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Insert cool title here] -Original Message- From: Howell, Katie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Adobe sues Macromedia For your reading pleasure: http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,18000,00.html and http://www.i-us.com/graphicallyspeaking/ Katie -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Adobe sues Macromedia????
well it goes to show that companies like Microsoft "the start button controversy", Amazon.com "One click shopping", and now Adobe have control over the patents department because they don't understand what most of this stuff is. plus from what I understand Microsoft and every other operating system Developer has this functionality built into their operating systems. Chris Straight -Original Message- From: Howell, Katie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Adobe sues Macromedia For your reading pleasure: http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,18000,00.html and http://www.i-us.com/graphicallyspeaking/ Katie -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Adobe sues Macromedia????
They are suing over "tearable tabs" where you can click on a tab and drag it off the dialog it is on etc. Or you can drag it to CFSTUDIO too!! -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Adobe sues Macromedia????
Exactly... It is such a lame patent adobe is trying to win with. specifically they are referring to the way their tabs work in photoshop if anyone is interested in seeing how many programs you can find that breach the patent. Okay you have two dialogs one is the color dialog and maybe the other is the history dialog each has a few tabs. You can drag that particular 'tab' over to another dialog and that tab is now on that dialog. I just did that with CF Studio and I *know* I have done that in Visual Studio. Point is.. its lame and ive seen the *exact* thing nearly in stuff that I know was around before Photoshop had it, so I really hope Macromedia does not have a hard time convincing the judge that there is plenty of prior art and existing art... From what I understand however, patents are not like trademarks where you have to defend them religiously you can just pick and choose when you defend your patent. I am not super clear on this one so dont take my advice :) This is just what I have come to understand. And to tie it into CF, CFstudio does almost the exact same thing except it lacks a 'container' type widget for the tabs. Ugh well anywhu... Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Insert cool title here] -Original Message- From: JustinMacCarthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Adobe sues Macromedia They are suing over "tearable tabs" where you can click on a tab and drag it off the dialog it is on etc. Or you can drag it to CFSTUDIO too!! -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Adobe sues Macromedia????
Macromedia's defence has always been that the patent was invalidly issued, and that it's unenforceable. Because they didn't reveal in their patent application "Prior Art" which is a patent term I believe refers to previous examples of the patented technology. If Macromedia's defence holds, Adobe could well find themselves facing a patent infringement suit from the other side. It could turn out the first designer of the tear-off tabs in the unix world wants royalties on all the copies of Photoshop and Illustrator etc. As always, we watch agog while the titans battle it out, making no one but the lawyers rich. Cheers, Mike Kear AFP Web Development Windsor, NSW, Australia On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Jeremy Allen wrote: I have been following this and it really seems to be a paper-thin lawsuit that is basically seeing if Adobe has a defendable patent or not. They are suing over "tearable tabs" where you can click on a tab and drag it off the dialog it is on etc. Or you can drag it to new dialogs to create your own custom dialogs. the only problem is this has been in the Unix world since before Photoshop existed just about. At least since the very very early 90's OpenStep has had this, and I know for certain certain parts of Visual Studio have this feature. I am not sure exactly what product Adobe is suing Macromedia for using this patened 'technology'. Patents like that are just not ground breaking software patents. However... they do pose a very bad threat to us. Amazon gets away with One-Click shopping. claiming they spend millions in research for this when Its kind of like a logical procession of a shopping site to store most of the clients data behind the scenes. Patents like this threaten the well being of software as a whole. Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Insert cool title here] -Original Message- From: Howell, Katie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Adobe sues Macromedia For your reading pleasure: http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,18000,00.html and http://www.i-us.com/graphicallyspeaking/ Katie -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
