[CITTERN] Re: plucked bass

2008-03-27 Thread Rob MacKillop
Hi Brad, You are right - there are many, many references to a mandora as mandore and vice versa. It has been and continues to be an area of much confusion. I personally started differentiating them (small mandore, large mandora) after reading Donald Gill's plea to do so in the Lute Society

[CITTERN] Re: plucked bass

2008-03-27 Thread Rob MacKillop
And may also account for Wagner's 'lute' in Die Meistersinger. The opening notes are a rising arpeggio of EADGBE - a mandora in E? Rob On 27/03/2008, Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martyn Hodgson wrote: The 18thC Mandora (aka Gallichon - various cognates) was also tuned in

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2008-03-25 Thread Brad McEwen
I still think that an 18th C Mandola would be the ticket. I don't know if anyone makes them, but there are a lot of roundback short scale Italian made Mandocellos that are pretty close. The french piper Jean Pierre Rasle living in the UK used to have one in his ceilidh group, the Cock Bull

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2008-03-25 Thread Doc Rossi
I'm not sure which instrument you're talking about Brad. Do you have pix or links? I know JPR but I don't know which disk you're referring to. The history of the bagpipe one? On Mar 25, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Brad McEwen wrote: I still think that an 18th C Mandola would be the ticket. I

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2008-03-25 Thread Frank Nordberg
Frank Nordberg wrote: .. I'm sure I've seen them with more regular lute propotions though - just can't remember where and when. .. I really have to learn to think before writing! This instrument is of course the gallichon (aka mandore), perhaps *the* most obvious portable continuo

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2008-03-25 Thread Frank Nordberg
Brad McEwen wrote: I still think that an 18th C Mandola would be the ticket. I don't know if anyone makes them, but there are a lot of roundback short scale Italian made Mandocellos that are pretty close. There wasn't any mandocello as we know it back in the mid 18th century. The mandolin

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2008-03-25 Thread Doc Rossi
I think the tuning for the Mandora was a tone lower than modern guitar, plus pitch may have been lower as well - from one to 3 semitones. You're absolutely right about information being ignored - that's always upset me. On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Frank Nordberg wrote: Brad McEwen

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2008-03-24 Thread Brad McEwen
Doc: Is it meant to be historically accurate? If not, what about a Mandobass or Mandocello? Brad Doc Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a project involving mid-18th-century dance music mostly from France, Belgium and Austria. I'd like to have a non-keyboard plucked

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2008-03-24 Thread Doc Rossi
Hey Brad - Yes, it should be from the period. On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Brad McEwen wrote: Doc: Is it meant to be historically accurate? If not, what about a Mandobass or Mandocello? Brad Doc Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a project involving mid-18th-century dance

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2008-03-24 Thread Brad McEwen
Frank: Intersting. thesmaller instrument next to it looks like a Guittarr Allemande, but it appears to have a fixed bridge and a more modern stylke headstock. Same basic body shape,though. Brad Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc Rossi wrote: I'm working on a project

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2008-03-24 Thread Doc Rossi
Yes, that would be perfect, but did it survive into the 18th century? Could you point me to some evidence? On Mar 25, 2008, at 1:48 AM, James A Stimson wrote: Dear Doc: How about a bandora? Aren't there some accounts of the Germans playing it with a plectrum for baroque continuo? Cheers,