[CITTERN] Re: Waldzither

2008-05-03 Thread Martina.Rosenberger
 Frank Nordberg mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
  And the most common (Thuringian) basszither is tuned in open G
  until nowadays.
 
 I was wondering about that. Wobersin (1922) states that the bass 
 waldzither is tuned in open A but open G would of course fit much better 
 with the tunings of the smaller instruments.
 
 Speaking of tuning, perhaps we also ought to mention that some modern 
 British musicians use (tenor) waldzithers for Irish/British folk music, 
 often tuning them in some variation of the GDAD/DADGAD theme.
 
 The tenor waldzither also works well in guitar tuning: A d g b e'
 There's even some historical precedence for this tuning. According to 
 dr. Michel, one of the tunings used in Germany for the four course 
 cittern during the 18th century was d g b e'.
 

Wobersin was a kind of universal musician. He edited music for Waldzither, 
Wandervogellaute, Guitar (whatever was asked for in printout), and even a tutor 
for the Portuguese Guitars fashionable in Germany before the first World War 
(tuned in open C) 

There are Bass Waldzithern in Thuringia in A, I have somewhere a chord scheme 
for it, but the more common combination is Soprano (G)  for melodies like a 
mandoling, Tenor (C) in chords plus melody and Bass (G) mostly for chords.

Myself I experimented much with several tonalities, (not different tunings) and 
meanwhile I've landed at open A on my Tenorzither with a 50,5cm stringlength. 
It fits my needs for songwriting best and I prefer the deeper sound. 

The Coimbra Cittern is in A, too, but in the portuguese tuning.

best regards

Martina Rosenberger
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[CITTERN] Re: Waldzither Symposium report

2005-11-06 Thread Stuart Walsh
Very interesting to read. Thanks.

Some thoughts:

Is the repertoire mainly, single line folk tunes?

Do they have accompaniment from other instruments or do other 
Waldzithers provide accompaniment?

Do they mainly in C (and F)?

Do they play in ensembles (of Waldzithers)?

What do you think they thought of your input on 18th century citterns?

What were the two 18th century citterns that the participants brought 
along like? Were they dated?



doc rossi wrote:

Last weekend I had the pleasure of attending the Second Waldzither  
Symposium, held in Suhl, a small town in the middle of the Thuringia  
forest of eastern Germany.  It was organized by Martina Rosenberger.   
There were about 70 people there (as far as I could tell), mostly  
from Germany, with a few from other European countries.  I was the  
only non-European, but as I live in Italy I guess that doesn't really  
count.

For those of you who don't know, the Waldzither is a 19th-century  
cittern that continues to be played in Germany.  There is a similar  
instrument in Switzerland, too.  There are three sizes these days - a  
small one and a larger one, both tuned in G, and a mandola-sized one  
in C (by far the most popular).  Each has five courses - four pairs  
and one single bass.  C instruments are tuned C G C E G (low to  
high); G instruments G D G B D, the larger pitched lower than the C  
tuning, the smaller higher.  The smallest instrument is about the  
size of a mandolin, the larger like a mandocello or octave mandolin.   
I gather that the larger one is a relatively new addition to the family.

Things started off Friday evening with a general meeting about what  
would be happening when.  It was great to walk into a room full of  
citterns, many of them from the 1920s, and of citternists and cittern  
builders - most of them much younger!  The average age of players is  
relatively high, but there were quite a few younger players, too.   
The Friday evening session was pretty informal, with some jamming and  
teaching and general exchanges and greetings.  There were six  
different workshops on Saturday morning, including sessions on  
different playing styles - with fingers, finger picks, and a flat  
pick. I managed to stick my head into the following: Willi Schampera  
demonstrated techniques taught in tutors from the 1910s to the  
1930s.  This includes more or less typical fingerpicking but also  
playing almost everything with the thumb.  A lot of the music he  
demonstrated reminded me of Sor's - well-constructed miniatures in an  
early 19th-century style, and actually not too different from other  
parlor music.  Jean-Pierre van dem Boom demonstrated his Scruggs- 
based fingerpicking style with metal fingerpicks.  Waldzither tuning  
is similar to the basic 5-string banjo tuning except that the fifth  
string is two octaves lower.  I've been playing melodic style (Keith,  
Trishka) cittern without picks for years, so I was quite interested  
to see and hear what Jean-Pierre was doing.  He did it all on a C  
instrument.  Uli Otto talked about older German songs and also showed  
how he has adapted the modern celtic style to this music and tuning,  
transforming it into something new.  Joachim Rosenbrueck demonstrated  
some very flashy flat picking and shared ideas about how the  
waldzither can be used in contemporary music.  My own session dealt  
with 18th-century right-hand technique and the use of campanelle.

After lunch a group of us got together to try out some new  
instruments designed and built by Steffen Milbradt.  He made  
instruments in the three sizes I mentioned above with two different  
tops - one group had an arched top, the other had a three-piece top  
with joints angled to form an arch.  There were no top braces on the  
latter instruments, the stress being taken up by the three-piece  
structure.  All of the instruments were much deeper than traditional  
instruments - about 10cm.  We all agreed that the three-piece  
instruments had more projection and a rounder tone than the arched  
ones.  Compared to traditional designs, his instruments had a weaker  
bass, which I find is typical of arched instruments anyway.  They did  
sound very good in an ensemble and were all quite playable,  
especially considering that they were also all prototypes.  There  
were several other makers in attendance, too, so we all had a chance  
to try out their instruments as well as several from the early 20th  
century.

Saturday evening there was a concert with several different  
performers in several styles.  I won't go into details but will only  
say that it was a great evening with a lot of fine music.  German TV  
station 2DF (ZDF) taped the first half, and I gather that a snippet  
was broadcast last Friday evening.  Another station (MDR) did some  
taping on Sunday morning, too.

Sunday morning began with a meeting about producing a modern tutor/ 
method book specifically for the waldzither. Steffen