Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Sounds like a plan to me. :-) On 28 July 2015 at 20:35, Stuart Sierra the.stuart.sie...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the responses everyone. So far, my general plan is starting to look like this: c.t.n.*dependency* and c.t.n.*track* are platform agnostic. c.t.n.*file* and c.t.n.*parse* can be extended to support Clojure ClojureScript by adding an optional argument read-opts passed through to tools.reader/read. c.t.n.*find* can be extended with optional arguments to select a platform, either Clojure or ClojureScript, which will encapsulate both valid file extensions and reader options. Reload/refresh functionality will remain Clojure(JVM) only for now: c.t.n. *dir*, c.t.n.*reload*, and c.t.n.*repl*. More notes and work-in-progress are visible on TNS-35 http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 I'm not saying there will *never* be any ClojureScript support for refresh/reload, just that I have no idea how to do it right now and I want to deal with the easier problems first. –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Yagni uses dir/scan-all and tracker. Would love to have ClojureScript support. On Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 7:29:24 PM UTC-4, Brian Marick wrote: Midje Stuart Sierra wrote: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? Eventually, but not soon. 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? repl, dir, track, reload 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? I don't have an opinion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Thanks for the responses everyone. So far, my general plan is starting to look like this: c.t.n.*dependency* and c.t.n.*track* are platform agnostic. c.t.n.*file* and c.t.n.*parse* can be extended to support Clojure ClojureScript by adding an optional argument read-opts passed through to tools.reader/read. c.t.n.*find* can be extended with optional arguments to select a platform, either Clojure or ClojureScript, which will encapsulate both valid file extensions and reader options. Reload/refresh functionality will remain Clojure(JVM) only for now: c.t.n. *dir*, c.t.n.*reload*, and c.t.n.*repl*. More notes and work-in-progress are visible on TNS-35 http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 I'm not saying there will *never* be any ClojureScript support for refresh/reload, just that I have no idea how to do it right now and I want to deal with the easier problems first. –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Kibit uses a vendored copy of file/clojure-file? and find/find-clojure-sources-in-dir, to support other possible Clojure extensions like cljx. Without the ability to add more extensions like cljx we couldn't switch back, however even if they were added, it's probably not worth adding the dep for two functions. -- Daniel Compton On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 at 2:48 PM Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant abonnaireserge...@gmail.com wrote: In core.typed I use *parse* and *file* to parse Clojure files and probably ClojureScript files eventually. I resolve the files myself so I don't have strong opinions on 3). Thanks, Ambrose On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Stuart Sierra the.stuart.sie...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to anyone and everyone writing tools for working with Clojure and ClojureScript source files … I've been looking into adding better support for ClojureScript in tools.namespace. It's not a trivial problem. Lots of places in tools.namespace assume there is only one kind of source file. For Clojure 1.7 it got updated to include .cljc files as well, but it's still hard-coded. I've collected some of my notes in TNS-35: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 My question to you: if you maintain a tool or library which uses tools.namespace: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? Note: I am **not** proposing a full port of tools.namespace to ClojureScript. Something like c.t.n.repl/refresh is too tightly coupled to JVM Clojure, and equivalent tools already exist for ClojureScript. This is just about using tools.namespace to parse and analyze the dependencies of ClojureScript source files, statically, the same way it now does for Clojure source files. Thanks, –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
I use .repl constantly for namespace reloading. Clojurescript support would be a fantastic improvement for reloading cljs component systems. On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 5:14:04 PM UTC-4, Stuart Sierra wrote: Hello to anyone and everyone writing tools for working with Clojure and ClojureScript source files … I've been looking into adding better support for ClojureScript in tools.namespace. It's not a trivial problem. Lots of places in tools.namespace assume there is only one kind of source file. For Clojure 1.7 it got updated to include .cljc files as well, but it's still hard-coded. I've collected some of my notes in TNS-35: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 My question to you: if you maintain a tool or library which uses tools.namespace: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? Note: I am **not** proposing a full port of tools.namespace to ClojureScript. Something like c.t.n.repl/refresh is too tightly coupled to JVM Clojure, and equivalent tools already exist for ClojureScript. This is just about using tools.namespace to parse and analyze the dependencies of ClojureScript source files, statically, the same way it now does for Clojure source files. Thanks, –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Stuart mentioned that equivalent tools already exist for cljs, but I'm not sure what he refers to. CIDER makes use of `c.t.n.repl/refresh` (its lower-level blocks to be precise) and it'd be great if we could provide the same functionality for cljs. On 25 July 2015 at 17:37, Dylan Butman dbut...@gmail.com wrote: I use .repl constantly for namespace reloading. Clojurescript support would be a fantastic improvement for reloading cljs component systems. On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 5:14:04 PM UTC-4, Stuart Sierra wrote: Hello to anyone and everyone writing tools for working with Clojure and ClojureScript source files … I've been looking into adding better support for ClojureScript in tools.namespace. It's not a trivial problem. Lots of places in tools.namespace assume there is only one kind of source file. For Clojure 1.7 it got updated to include .cljc files as well, but it's still hard-coded. I've collected some of my notes in TNS-35: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 My question to you: if you maintain a tool or library which uses tools.namespace: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? Note: I am **not** proposing a full port of tools.namespace to ClojureScript. Something like c.t.n.repl/refresh is too tightly coupled to JVM Clojure, and equivalent tools already exist for ClojureScript. This is just about using tools.namespace to parse and analyze the dependencies of ClojureScript source files, statically, the same way it now does for Clojure source files. Thanks, –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Dylan Butman dbut...@gmail.com wrote: Clojurescript support would be a fantastic improvement for reloading cljs component systems. As I said, I am not planning a complete port of the reloading functionality of clojure.tools.namespace.repl to work in ClojureScript. The mechanics of reloading code are completely different in ClojureScript. The ClojureScript compiler itself now has some auto-compiling functionality, and tools like lein-figwheel are filling in the rest. –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Bozhidar Batsov wrote: it'd be great if we could provide the same functionality for cljs. I'd like to say I know how to do that, but I just don't think it's possible right now. The way tools.namespace does reloading in Clojure(JVM) depends on implementation details of the Clojure runtime, including the function remove-ns which doesn't exist in ClojureScript. –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Midje Stuart Sierra wrote: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? Eventually, but not soon. 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? repl, dir, track, reload 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? I don't have an opinion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
refactor-nrepl, which is the brain behind refactoring libraries like clj-refactor and clj-light-refactor uses: 1. find/find-namespaces-in-jarfile 2. file/clojure-file? 3. find/find-clojure-sources-in-dir 4. parse/read-ns-decl And finally, dependency, file and track are used together to get a list of dependent namespaces, e.g. to find out which files are affected when a file or dir of files has been moved. As we add refactoring support for cljs, tools.namespace is one of the libraries we're going to lean on. Since refactor-nrepl is a side project, support for cljs in libraries like tools.namespace often end up being a deciding factor when debating which feature to build next. I don't have a strong opinion on 3, but get-me-all-source-files with predicate functions for filtering might be nice, because the predicate functions themselves are somewhat useful. Thanks for working on tools.namespace, it's been a joy to use when writing tooling! Lars On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 11:14:04 PM UTC+2, Stuart Sierra wrote: Hello to anyone and everyone writing tools for working with Clojure and ClojureScript source files … I've been looking into adding better support for ClojureScript in tools.namespace. It's not a trivial problem. Lots of places in tools.namespace assume there is only one kind of source file. For Clojure 1.7 it got updated to include .cljc files as well, but it's still hard-coded. I've collected some of my notes in TNS-35: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 My question to you: if you maintain a tool or library which uses tools.namespace: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? Note: I am **not** proposing a full port of tools.namespace to ClojureScript. Something like c.t.n.repl/refresh is too tightly coupled to JVM Clojure, and equivalent tools already exist for ClojureScript. This is just about using tools.namespace to parse and analyze the dependencies of ClojureScript source files, statically, the same way it now does for Clojure source files. Thanks, –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
Hello to anyone and everyone writing tools for working with Clojure and ClojureScript source files … I've been looking into adding better support for ClojureScript in tools.namespace. It's not a trivial problem. Lots of places in tools.namespace assume there is only one kind of source file. For Clojure 1.7 it got updated to include .cljc files as well, but it's still hard-coded. I've collected some of my notes in TNS-35: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 My question to you: if you maintain a tool or library which uses tools.namespace: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? Note: I am **not** proposing a full port of tools.namespace to ClojureScript. Something like c.t.n.repl/refresh is too tightly coupled to JVM Clojure, and equivalent tools already exist for ClojureScript. This is just about using tools.namespace to parse and analyze the dependencies of ClojureScript source files, statically, the same way it now does for Clojure source files. Thanks, –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Tool authors: ClojureScript support in tools.namespace?
In core.typed I use *parse* and *file* to parse Clojure files and probably ClojureScript files eventually. I resolve the files myself so I don't have strong opinions on 3). Thanks, Ambrose On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Stuart Sierra the.stuart.sie...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to anyone and everyone writing tools for working with Clojure and ClojureScript source files … I've been looking into adding better support for ClojureScript in tools.namespace. It's not a trivial problem. Lots of places in tools.namespace assume there is only one kind of source file. For Clojure 1.7 it got updated to include .cljc files as well, but it's still hard-coded. I've collected some of my notes in TNS-35: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TNS-35 My question to you: if you maintain a tool or library which uses tools.namespace: 1. Do you need/want ClojureScript support? 2. What namespaces (repl, find, dir, file, parse) do you call in tools.namespace? 3. How would you like to distinguish between get me Clojure sources and get me ClojureScript sources? Note: I am **not** proposing a full port of tools.namespace to ClojureScript. Something like c.t.n.repl/refresh is too tightly coupled to JVM Clojure, and equivalent tools already exist for ClojureScript. This is just about using tools.namespace to parse and analyze the dependencies of ClojureScript source files, statically, the same way it now does for Clojure source files. Thanks, –S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
