Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-07 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:59:49AM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 09:03 AM, David Nalley wrote: So software typically has several stages: Does end of support mean both of these things simultaneously. No more bugfixes No more security fixes So wearing your

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-07 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:03:51AM -0500, David Nalley wrote: So software typically has several stages: Does end of support mean both of these things simultaneously. No more bugfixes No more security fixes So wearing your enterprise software consumer hat - does a support lifetime of

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-07 Thread Chip Childers
@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime -Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:04 AM To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Chip

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-05 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Musayev, Ilya imusa...@webmd.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusa...@webmd.net] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:05 AM To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime -Original

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-05 Thread Prasanna Santhanam
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 09:53:36AM -0500, Chip Childers wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:34:41AM -0500, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 03:00 PM, Chip Childers wrote: I stated my opinion on this

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-05 Thread Rohit Yadav
In minor CloudStack version we OUGHT NOT change the DB schema, maybe we should not even change the DB version, comment? So, all minor version should have version info in DB as 4.0 (for 4.0, 4.0.1 and 4.0.2) and 4.1 (possible future 4.1.xs) etc. Regards. On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Prasanna

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-05 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 04:55 AM, Prasanna Santhanam wrote: The 4.0.1-incubating release only had one database change (91a9cce35a67350c856bb10e5fe36f4bf5bac029) so it's probably a good time to decide on a strategy for upgrades from the 4.0.x line to the 4.x-5.0 line. That particular issue

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-04 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 03:00 PM, Chip Childers wrote: I stated my opinion on this previously [1], but for the record again: I would suggest that we only do bug-fix releases for: - The latest feature release of our

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-04 Thread Chip Childers
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:34:41AM -0500, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 03:00 PM, Chip Childers wrote: I stated my opinion on this previously [1], but for the record again: I would suggest that we

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-04 Thread David Nalley
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05:34:41AM -0500, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 03:00 PM, Chip Childers wrote: I stated my opinion

RE: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-04 Thread Musayev, Ilya
-Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:04 AM To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 05

RE: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-04 Thread Musayev, Ilya
-Original Message- From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusa...@webmd.net] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 11:05 AM To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime -Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Monday, March

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-03-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 09:03 AM, David Nalley wrote: So software typically has several stages: Does end of support mean both of these things simultaneously. No more bugfixes No more security fixes So wearing your enterprise software consumer hat - does a support lifetime of

RE: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-02-28 Thread Musayev, Ilya
number? -Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:48 PM To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime Hi folks, With 4.0.2 being actively worked on in parallel with 4.1 - we need to have some

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-02-28 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 03:00 PM, Chip Childers wrote: I stated my opinion on this previously [1], but for the record again: I would suggest that we only do bug-fix releases for: - The latest feature release of our active major version number (i.e.: 4.x) - The latest feature release of

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-02-28 Thread Kelceydamage@bbits
Just to clarify as our community is quite large now, we are purely discussing code support in the form of patches, correct? Just to make sure people don't anticipate operations support for potentially 4 simultaneous versions. Also that's a lot of docs and wiki, do we have a plan on how we are

[DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-02-27 Thread David Nalley
Hi folks, With 4.0.2 being actively worked on in parallel with 4.1 - we need to have some discussions around setting expectations for support lifecycle of a given release. Our feature releases are relatively rapid (~every 4 months). At the same time, people deploying CloudStack like stability. Our

Re: [DISCUSS] Support lifetime

2013-02-27 Thread Chip Childers
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:47:43PM -0500, David Nalley wrote: Hi folks, With 4.0.2 being actively worked on in parallel with 4.1 - we need to have some discussions around setting expectations for support lifecycle of a given release. Our feature releases are relatively rapid (~every 4