On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote:
It does make sense to reserve a percentage of slots for first-time Code4Lib
presenters. 15% sounds like a good number to experiment with for next year.
Are there any objections from the community for doing that?
Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
otherwise) if possible.
This might simply be a
I think that is a reasonable number, but I also think that the entire
process needs review and (more) discussion.
Thanks,
Cary
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote:
Speaking from the program committee perspective, we went through the
proposals that
I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
committee (whoever that might be next year) to
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote:
Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up
and everything! But, it never got much traction.
http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
I would be interested to see the gender breakdown in the CfP for
comparable conferences (LITA National, Access) and if Code4lib's numbers
are noticeably lower, meeting with those groups to determine why.
-Ross.
I put together a rough comparison of attendees (rather than presenters) at
the DLF
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
I had a conference proposal that I can up with the night before the CfP
closed that was project board for libraries to jointly collaborate on
developing the sorts projects that get built over and over again at every
Curious about the no limit on number of proposals per person. I know
we've discussed this before, but I don't remember the reasoning for
this decision. Is it just that we limit in the actual presentation (1
presentation max per person) so various proposals are okay? Why not
just limit up front?
Since there are two different topics here, I split up my replies and
renamed the subjects.
Ross: I would definitely consider maybe having a breakout about this
at the conference.
See the mentorship thread that I split off and maybe we can brainstorm
a way to get some people started with this at
I would say, yes, it's because we limit the number of presentations.
(Though in reality, I wasn't part of the older discussions).
I'd be against limiting up front because people can propose to talk
about very different topics that may be of interest to the community.
For example, these are the
Some observations about conference-y stuff:
- Newcomer dinner groups tend to see a disproportionate n/v ratio, even
with some prodding to get more established members to participate and
disperse themselves out in the groups. Then again, I can't make things
mandatory, lest I get pelted with book
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A possible incentive for mentoring could be a registration slot at the
conference (not paid for, just not having to join the stampede). It might
encourage participation.
Annette
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
Some observations about conference-y stuff:
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On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
How often do people send in more than two proposals anyway?
A lot. A whole lot.
That said, I don't think we should limit this. If the program committee is
comfortable with weeding the second (third, fourth!) elected
Will there be reserved registration slots for speakers, or do they need to
be on ready to register 2 minutes before noon-eastern like a Bruce
Springstein concert?
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Date: Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM
Subject: [CODE4LIB]
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
+1 - being face-to-face might help ease the tension.
Having a sort of speed dating setup might help make
I think that's why it's important we try more for 1-on-1, but that
means having people who know the regulars (i.e. non-newbies).
So it might go something like this:
* everyone interested would sign up
* a (committee/organizing) group would match people up
* for any newbies leftover, the
Speakers' slots are reserved. We do need to register, just not precisely
at noon.
-Mike
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote:
Will there be reserved registration slots for speakers, or do they need to
be on ready to register 2 minutes before noon-eastern like
Having a sort of speed dating setup might help make better fits between
mentors and mentees, as well.
+1, not only to satisfy the 'room full of nerds' case, but also the fact
that people spend their free time @ code4libcon in a variety of ways,
and not everyone might want to, e.g., wind up in
How about someone volunteer to do a lightning talk pitch of the
mentorship idea, recommending folks register on the aforementioned wiki
page (for both mentors and mentees), and then they can meet up at a
follow-on breakout?
-Mike
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Ross Singer
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
How often do people send in more than two proposals anyway?
There were a number this year and there has been in the past as well.
I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
is that
On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us wrote:
I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
and, for
/de-lurk
Would this imply that non-speakers (n00bs) should treat registration like a
Springstein show with the potential of selling out within minutes and have
our browsers set to go at noon if we want a chance of getting in?
~Dave
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Giarlo
As a conference-goer I dislike the idea of limiting proposal submissions
for the same reason I dislike term limits: it doesn't let *me* choose from
all possibilities. The restriction cuts both ways in that it doesn't just
put a limit on presenters but on my choices as well.
--jay
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jay Luker lb...@reallywow.com wrote:
As a conference-goer I dislike the idea of limiting proposal submissions
for the same reason I dislike term limits: it doesn't let *me* choose from
all possibilities. The restriction cuts both ways in that it doesn't just
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us wrote:
I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
should
Just to clarify,
+1 on only one accepted presentation per person
-1 on only one submission per person
Sorry for any confusion.
--jay
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jay Luker lb...@reallywow.com wrote:
As a
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
Frankly, I'd favor letting
maybe i'm just being naive, but i have the feeling if we:
a) strongly stated that we support and encourage diversity and would like
to see that reflected in our presentation lineup
b) allowed people to include some information about themselves in the
proposal that increases voter awareness (
Personally, I like the idea of being able to propose as many talks as you want
but only give one of them. Many of us have several projects we're working on at
any given time. Some of these might be of interest to the community and some
not. This way I can let people know what I'm working on and
This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
members of the community.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft.
As I think I said to the list (not sure
Well, this is the fundamental problem, innit?
I have little doubt that a fully curated program would be more
interesting to more attendees than the current system. It would also,
presumably, be more diverse. The problems are:
a) The program committee would need to fairly vet all the proposals,
On 11/28/12 10:58 AM, David Fiander wrote:
This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
members of the community.
I don't know why you conclude that. The technical reason for not
changing a survey mid-way through is quite solid -- it would invalidate
the results
And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another for
here, but maybe you get what I mean]
Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but
again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded.
(Inspired by
++1
~Bohyun
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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Salazar, Christina
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:35 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?
And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority,
+1
At least in the speculative fiction community (and I see it elsewhere), PoC
(person of color) is the most in-use term for replacing the traditional use
of minority.
--James
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Bohyun Kim k...@fiu.edu wrote:
++1
~Bohyun
-Original Message-
From:
Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be
exactly, and what would be the goals of it? Do you mean a different
conference, or listserv, or what?
On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote:
And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another
On 11/28/2012 1:16 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
Well, this is the fundamental problem, innit?
I have little doubt that a fully curated program would be more
interesting to more attendees than the current system. It would also,
presumably, be more diverse. The problems are:
a) The program committee
If this (as in a group for women in library technology) is going to become
reality, I want to see this take one step broader, and incorporate ALL
women in library tech, and not just designating it to one subset of the
library community (code4lib). code4lib can be a collaborator with another
Well, I guess any non-majority person, but I was thinking specifically of
women ONLY because I'm a woman and I'd be willing to do something as far as
coordinating. And possibly two or more non-location based chapters (i.e., one
for gender, one for PoC).
And I wasn't really thinking of a
I agree that a full-curated program would have its issues, and
honestly, I'd be hesitant to move make such a big leap. It seems
everyone agrees at least on the 15% (3-4 sessions) and made of note of
it in the documentation, but I'd still like to hear if people either
support more (or less). I've
Sounds like it's worth a breakout session or two at #c4l13, if folks are
interested in mashing ideas together in real-time.
-Mike
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Salazar, Christina
christina.sala...@csuci.edu wrote:
Well, I guess any non-majority person, but I was thinking specifically
of
David,
Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet
in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong.
As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first
half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different. If you want
On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote:
In that respect, I would suggest the preconference hackfests/workshops that
involve some kind of pair programming with experienced/inexperienced hackers,
which could follow up into a mentor relationship outside of the
We can have the Solr session when and wherever! :) Organizers - feel free to
move it however it fits best.
Related: With all of those pre-conferences, it looks like there'll need to be 6
rooms but the page says 4 (admittedly 4+ it says)
Erik
On Nov 28, 2012, at 16:23 , Bess Sadler
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 04:35:59PM -0500, Erik Hatcher wrote:
We can have the Solr session when and wherever! :) Organizers - feel free
to move it however it fits best.
Related: With all of those pre-conferences, it looks like there'll need to be
6 rooms but the page says 4 (admittedly
Cynthia wrote:
As to whether people know who's a regular or not, reading through last year's
discussion, we might consider the idea of people self-identifying as female,
minority, first-timers, etc. as part of their proposals. Thoughts?
---
I would like to see the proposal requirements
Sigh. When the facetious comments are taken seriously, it's time to take a
break, folks.
Just sayin'
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote:
David,
Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet
in person and
c4l'rs
Obviously mentoring is a great idea, but it implies a pairing of
skilled/less-skilled folks and therefore makes me a bit uneasy in our
current context (although no one has said this) because it seems to
imply that if we bring up the skills of women they will be treated
equally. In
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Library type academic is probably going to dominate, because that's who
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Well said.
Bess
On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
So I see it as my duty, and hope some will join me, to make sure that women's
efforts are recognized, publicized, and, if necessary, made in-your-face
until women in tech achieve the visibility they
Hello,
Super short term lurker (since today!). It was suggested by various people on
Twitter (hello people of Twitter) that I join code4lib because of this exchange
and it greatly touches on one of my passions (see:
Just to note, they are all happening. Moving Erik's Solr session will
be part of the next program committee's meeting and will probably be
moved.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Erik Hatcher erikhatc...@mac.com wrote:
We can have the Solr session when and wherever! :) Organizers - feel free
I would disagree that sysadmin/network admin types are considered less geeky,
it's just that coders and sysadmins speak completely different languages, tend
not to trust each other, and are generally working against one another (since
they have different goals). Bess's Werewolves vs. Vampires
I agree with you that coders/sys admins speak different language, but I think
you'll find this is pretty common (at least in my experience) of any
differences, even within the same groups. Database programmers say versus
someone who does iphone applications.
I am not inferring sys admins are
I think we'd all agree, in the spirit of git :), that anyone is free and
encouraged to fork the project if the current system is not serving
their needs. So, Christina, if you and others have the will and
interest to start a Code4LibWomen group/list, I say go for it!
I think the question we
On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:40, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
I would disagree that sysadmin/network admin types are considered less
geeky, it's just that coders and sysadmins speak completely different
languages, tend not to trust each other, and are generally working against
one
Some discussion (both on-list and otherwise) has referred to coders,
and some discussion as such has raised the question whether
non-coders are welcome at code4lib.
What's a coder? I'm not trying to be difficult - I want to make
code4lib as inclusive as possible.
Mark A. Matienzo
A coder is someone who writes code, naturally. :) code is something intended
to be interpreted or executed by a computer or a computer program.
I think everyone agrees that anyone is welcome at code4lib.
However, many want to keep code4lib conference presentations and community
focused on
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