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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 05:05, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Regardless of whether there was any 'right' or 'wrong' position, it
appears that there were irreducible differences. I only recall one
side expressing a willingness
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:54, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Actually, all it takes to veto a change is one PMC member to cast a -1 with
a technical justification. The issue is how a community deals with those
vetos, and how progress
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:41, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Point?
That consensus by attrition is a negatively loaded term, yet a natural
occurring thing in all projects (people do leave healthy projects) which is
replenished with
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
A practice of asking people to leave, or trying to drive them away, because
they don't agree with you is not acceptable.
It is a single occurrence in time, and in my book everyone is allowed to make
occassional mistakes. You make
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
That FUD is prevalent in ASF establishment, against its own contributors, for
unknown reasons, possibly unintentionally, by an unnamed, possibly unknown,
person or a group of persons. And that FUD is being amplified by everyone
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
OK - let's play this game but let's do it properly.
I don't intend to touch this remark.
Open up the Avalon PMC archives and let's really get down to real metal
and in the process I think we will clean up more that a couple of
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
Once again, there was no technical breach of procedure. Of custom,
perhaps, but not of procedure. This is another dead horse that
should stop getting beaten.
A set of polices and procedures were established and these procedures
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
No policy adopted by a project can supercede the policies of the ASF.
Any that do are null and void, or, at best, advisory only.
Then clearly you have been negligent in your responsibility towards the
Avalon community.
No more
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I realize that this is little more than a filibuster, and I probably
should be smacked for feeding *this* troll
*smack*
Stephen.
Excellent, Geir! Reponding to Stephen, you
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
Clearly you are not prepared to face up to the fact that the there is a
disconnect within the ASF policies and procedures and the functioning of
an open community. Clearly you are not prepared, willing or able to
address this.
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Who wants to commit any code or do anything in an environment as
poisonous as Avalon was at the time?
4. So you don't want to spend any time in Avalon, but you really do want to
make it hard for everyone else? There has to be
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
Maybe it's about dealing with the breach of procedure by the Chair of a
PMC and ensuring that this does not get rewarded nor repeated.
Once again, there was no technical breach of procedure. Of custom,
perhaps, but not of
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
Irrespective
of the validity of this opinion - members of the board actively
encouraged Aaron to ignore any PMC opinion and take an executive
decision.
Provide citations supporting this, please.
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Smoke and Mirrors
Not at all. Stephen was incorrect, and I was providing the
correction. I passed no judgement about whether any of the
decisions were the right ones, only stated that they were valid.
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
The Board had nothing to do with these directions or choices. Our only
(recent) involvment was that the VP in charge of Avalon asked us to
terminate the project, so we did.
A board decision taken *without* the endorsement of the
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Antonio Gallardo wrote:
The link is very nice! Can you add the cvs mail lists to see the activity
of them too?
The page is for *all* public ASF lists. 'Public' meaning 'anyone
can subscribe without having to be moderated.' If there are
lists that aren't
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Ben Laurie wrote:
The usual answer is to put one axis at the left, one at the right.
Excellent; that's a useful suggestion for a solution. Done. The
left-hand side now shows the highwater mark for subscriptions, and
the right-hand side shows it for posts.
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I've revamped the Apache mailing lists data page a little bit.
(http://www.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html) For one thing, the
moderator-supplied description for each list has moved to *below*
the list statistics. For another, I've added an activity graph
for
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Yoav Shapira wrote:
Echo Geir's this is cool! sentiment. Just to reconfirm, this is public
data,
correct? That is, I can post a link to this page on my blog, or on one of the
public mailing lists itself...
Correct. There's nothing here that couldn't
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Henri Yandell wrote:
Just looking for an easier way than querying the mail lists one at a time.
Every now and then we discover that a list is inadequately moderated and
so I'm trying to think of ways to maintain oversight there.
The mailing list query
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Henri Yandell wrote:
The # of moderators would be good to have on there, even better would be
the apache logon of the moderators.
I don't see why.. that information is already available to committers,
and I'm not at all sure we want it any more public
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David Crossley wrote:
That is a very useful resource, thanks Ken.
I see that some projects have their cvs|svn|scm
lists shown, but others do not, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lists will not appear on that page if they are private -- namely,
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David Crossley wrote:
That is a very useful resource, thanks Ken.
I see that some projects have their cvs|svn|scm
lists shown, but others do not, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lists will not appear on that page if they are private -- namely,
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Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 06:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
And when asked *expliticly* to address our concerns about
community-style, you just look the other way.
Until this day, I have not been interested in history, there is
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Dave Brondsema wrote:
I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of
the existence of so many semi-private lists/resources. E.g.,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module,
planetapache.org, etc.
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i think the point that's missing is how do new committers (or old
ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?
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Stephen McConnell wrote:
I find this discussion and the usage of terms such as severe lack of
respect to be out of place and largely disproportionate with the real
topic, substance
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Sander Temme wrote:
On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:58 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
i think the point that's missing is how do new committers (or old
ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?
Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL
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Sander Temme wrote:
That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good
idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site?
That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be
good PR.
+1
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handwave, handwave. you claimed 'total transparency;' i simply
illustrated why i suspected it was no such thing. you have confirmed
that.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
So, I still maintain that a cultural difference lay behind the difference of
opinion, whether
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everyone knows i cannot keep my mouth shut to save my life.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
If you don't understand this, you don't understand Apache.
That itself sounds more like communism under Stalin than an open society
willing to discuss issues.
and *that*
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David N. Welton wrote:
Have you had a look at the results of any of these things, in person?
i have ordered some of my own mugs and am quite happy w/them.
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lists. please forward the message to percolate through the various
communities (incubator, xml, php, jakarta, geronimo, database, avalon,
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so, how come the aggregator is stripping out 'style=' attributes?
it turned 'span style=border: 1px solid;' into 'span', which
caused some confusion for someone trying to follow something in one
of my entries..
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Author,
Thom May wrote:
it strips all tags that might allow malicious users to insert problematic
code.
the style attribute is dangerous?
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Thom May wrote:
Since we're working around the brokeness that is RSS 0.91; all feeds
with no times are being time guessed, which unfortunately means that
all their old posts are gonna turn up on top.
So, the way to fix this is to blog more!
Get to it!
just a thought..
right now,
'plant apache -- and let the seed grow' :-)
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To unsubscribe,
Dave Brondsema wrote:
So if it's not a formality that all new ASF projects should undergo, who
decides
if a project should be incubated or if it can go directly to being a regular
project?
code coming to the asf which has existed elsewhere first *must*
come in through the incubator in
Brian Behlendorf wrote:
But pulling back, perhaps a way to address Noel's concern is to have this
aggregator only pull content from the RSS feeds that the blogger marks as
somehow being Apache-related. RSS allows arbitrary metadata, right? Is
there an easy way to mark a post in most
Ben Hyde wrote:
Well it's all well and good until somebody get's hurt. For example
Ken's posting about how his Forsythia is blooming and meanwhile it's
-1F here and I gather up in NH there are places that are -38F. How do
you think that makes me feel? Hot and bothered, that's how! -
Steven Noels wrote:
Santiago Gala wrote:
Just tell them. I think they are all PMC Chairs are subscribed to
board, so it should be easy to tell them there to
Sideway comment from my little peanut gallery: this is (only) the second
time I overheard that PMC chairs can subscribe to board@
Sander Striker wrote:
Also consider the people that are subscribed to the announce list, all 8304
of them. I'm sure they didn't sign up to an announcement list to receive
43k emails. If they had wanted that, they would have subscribed to a
newsletter... ;).
after any announcement to any
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Any by trying to build an ideal world for yourself, you basically
killed whatever enthusiasm or dedication Tetsuya showed. Because you
offered no support or at least positive feedback but only we don't like
this format, this way of posting, this content, change
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
I just found out by chance that a cvs repository and a web site
for Pluto at Jakarta exist.
Can someone expand on the current status?
What are the next steps?
better asked on [EMAIL PROTECTED], though i don't know what the
answer will be.
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Pier Fumagalli wrote:
In my opinion the key idea of the ASF is to push the idea of the different
communities behind a project. I can't count how many times I heard on our
lists that a project can be considered mature only when the original
author left and someone else in the community picked
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's no coverage on some of the top level projects you mention, e.g. no
sessions on Ant, Avalon, James Maven.
um, because no-one submitted proposals about them. sessions don't
spring out of thin air, y'know. and just because ant doesn't have
any sessions, doe
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Someone interested in working on it?
i don't know how much time i could give it (a nanosecond
here or there, maybe) but hell yeah it should be adopted
by the asf!
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Author, developer, opinionist
Thom May wrote:
The page is currently at http://cvs.apache.org/~gianugo/apache-protest.html
and simply imposes a 60 second delay on viewing the current ASF index page.
The page contains very simple text that is non-inflammatory wordings and
fits nicely with the ASF website look and feel. The
David Reid wrote:
As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
through your announcement...
unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org
address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other
sources will get
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Hi,
now I know a reason:
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Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
announce@apache.org:
Steven Noels wrote:
You can also politely poll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for most of the apache lists, that gets turned into a single
person when ezmlm [re]configures the list. it requires special
handling to change that to be the moderators. only four lists
are currently so configured:
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Come share your
Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
What happened to the license FAQ there was talk about a while ago?
you mean http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html ?
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James Strachan wrote:
Just wondered if anyone knew the boards latest view of the 'Maven as top
level project' proposal? Its been a bit quiet lately - have I missed
anything?
afaik, jason, dIon, and the board are refining the charter. i think
that's the only thing.
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Ken Coar,
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Rich,
What is the rationale for the full text in each and every file?
ASF Board directive, as it was told to me. I wasn't privy to the decision
making process, but I assume that a determination was made that:
/* Copyright (C) The Apache Software Foundation. All
okey, this ticked my bogometer.
Jason van Zyl wrote:
My comments cannot be misinterpreted.
an interesting position. :-)
My observations relate strictly to the behaviour of the board
in their relationship with Sam.
indeed: your observations. subjective opinion, in other words,
not the one
just in case you weren't aware of it, i run a mailing list
for people interested in hearing about apache-related
opportunities. speaking, jobs, teaching, ... ; web server,
java, xml, ...
http://apache-server.com/opportunities.html
a couple that have just come in (partial excerpts; full
details
* On 2003-02-05 at 18:55,
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] excited the electrons to say:
I would like to propose that after seeing the way that this list
functions up until now, that it the issue be reconsidered and that
it be re-opened to the public.
as has been poiinted out by others,
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
In short, the answer is no, and this applies to any software with
copyright of The Apache Software Foundation.
which brings up a very good point that may have been overlooked:
this applies to anything on ibiblio or elsewhere that is copyright
the asf. it does not apply
okey, i'm wading in here, noting as i do the angels high-tailing
it in the other direction.. :-)
i'm ccing [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i think portions of this
discussion are important to the entire asf developer
community, and not just jakarta. (jakarta leads the way
again! grin
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
I am not sure that this type of project is the right sort of thing for ASF
wide attention and support. Research projects such as this are valuable
playgrounds - but do not map to operational systems or components with a
wider use.
i do not see anything in our
Sam Ruby wrote:
ICBM, eh? Gulp.
what's fun about this is that my home shows up as woods,
despite having been there about seven years. :-)
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Erik Abele wrote:
However, perhaps an 'OKAY' from the Incubator is still needed? Ken, can
you give further explanations?
one of the (many) purposes of the incubator is to protect the asf
from the dead-projects effect. the exits from the incubator are:
an existing project, a new project, a
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Should I make community@ available also on EyeBrowse?
(Please, make sure to CC me as I'm not on the Community list)
yes, please. and let us know the url.
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Thom May wrote:
- Should we select a Java based solution (the request came from
jakarta-general initially), or anything else ?
I think this question and the following one are premature. We need to agree
on the necessity of *having* committer or project blogging before discussing
what
Ben Hyde wrote:
I wonder if we could do something fun.
I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various
people in the community are located on the planet.
My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1]
on some web page of their. That can drive
James Taylor wrote:
How viable is it to machine migrate the content?
The UseModWiki content isn't in bare text files, so a little bit of
work will be needed.
Brilliant!
what's yer beef? at least something got *done*!
/me runs away
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Sam Ruby wrote:
It certainly is easier to migrate content that exists, even if it is in
the wrong format, than content that does not exist.
+1!
as usual, sam demonstrates his uncanny knack to cut through the
persiflage to one of the real issues.
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all right, i looked at a few and asked some questions. so far,
dotster.com is out in front; they do almost everything i want.
so i tried transferring one of my nsi domains to them yesterday.
hallelujah, nsi apparently let it go through, because i rec'd a
'we're sorry to lose you, 'cuz we've got
i have *got* to transfer my domains away from networkproblems.com.
they've become completely impossible, as opposed to just mostly.
does anyone have any particular recommendations for a good
registrar for .com/.net/.org domains, that won't charge
exhorbitantly for the transfer or require a
i forgot to list a couple of things i need from a registrar:
1. reasonable transfer prices (no 'pay us for the privilege
of paying us in the future' hooey, please ;-)
2. central management (multiple domains manageable from a
single signon to the registrar's site)
3. ability to have
James Strachan wrote:
We could extend the Maven-generated page to show the location
of developers like httpd.
heh. i would *really* like to see dots on a global map.
Sander Striker wrote:
My point is that quite a number of people won't have the time
(or inclination) to do so. And because they don't, they aren't
listed*.
:
Currently the list (auto created) on Kens page holds about
40 committers. How many committers do we have in total?
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
As a new committer, I not only appreciate that view, I want to
know where to find the info! :-)
keep an eye on incubator.apache.org
Sam Ruby wrote:
Fire away with comments, criticisms, suggestions, and most importantly,
patches. I believe that this addresses most, if not all, of the
concerns identified to date. If not, let me know.
i would prefer to have my name link to my cvs.apache.org/~coar/ page.
1) The links
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
If Ken puts a little more description on the page, the keywords should
get picked up by google. My blog seems to be well regarded by google.
i'd rather address the issue of those people who use their directories
for non-about-me stuff first.. there. anyone who
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I didn't see this change proposed! Nor were we given a chance to vote
on this. -1, Please roll back the changes until we've been given a
chance to discuss them. ;-)
um, i don't think you're a committer on the project in question.. :-D
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe it was a mistake to allow two different
codebases to share the same name.
I'm not convinced that having two codebases is
necessarily a mistake.
it's not the multiple codebases that's the issue; it's
that they
Costin Manolache wrote:
So far it seems Stefano ( who is not currently a very active tomcat
developer) is pissed off by the decisions made on tomcat-dev.
I don't see too many tomcat developers flaming each other.
the tomcat developers are not all that matter, though. users
matter (it sounds
Costin Manolache wrote:
What you would have liked is your problem. As I repeated quite a few
times and you don't seem to hear is that the decision about a release
is a majority vote and can't be vetoed - even if it pisses off some
people.
not strictly true, although mostly. a product
someone (andy?) started a trend of setting up personal
web pages at cvs.apache.org (that being where all committers
have accounts) and i'd like to refresh the idea in everyone's
mind 'cuz i think it's a good one; help us get familiar with
each other a bit, maybe.
just put something in
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Oh, and maybe start to maintain a repository of each person. A directory
or something. Yellow-pages like front-page.
that is a most excellent idea. i do not have the requisite karma to
enact it, but +1 anyhow!
http://cvs.apache.org/~coar/people.html
updated
Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
Or a script can identify what are the users that have home pages and
generates the directory page automatically. This way there is no need
to modify a config file, new users are automatically added once they
have their home pages setup.
heh, done in prototype. see my
Steven Noels wrote:
How about people having a homepage at daedalus?
i'd recommend that we settle on one place or the other,
rather than having them scattered all about. and, since
all committers (except php :-( have access to cvs.apache.org,
and not everyone has access to daedalus, i
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
Agreed. At the same time, I would love to see something written down
about 'how the ASF guidelines are'. They might not be binding, just
recommendations, but I think this will help a lot communities becaue
these guidelines are distilled after years of try/fail
foo, i think i typed 'committers@' when i meant to type
'community@'. sorry!
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Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
On 4 Nov 2002, Costin Manolache wrote:
The protection of the PMC matters the most for those
who actually write code and actively participate in jakarta.
Bear in mind that is -this- is the number one aim - we can do
that without a PMC
no, we can't.
Sam Ruby wrote:
I'm planning on submitting a proposal to change the bylaws
of Jakarta to bring Jakarta's PMC structure closer to the
HTTPD one.
btw, sam, where are the current bylaws? or do they go by another
name?
B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
Limit the list to committers (with no public archive or posting
ability) but allow committers to nominate users who have contributed
to the Apache community, but not in a developer role (or users could
ask to be added)? It seems to me that this would satisfy concerns
Sam Ruby wrote:
There are going to be culture classes as we try to move towards becoming
one big happy family.
did you mean 'clashes'? just want to make sure, since it changes the
meaning a little.. :-)
Most of it is due to ingrained assumptions that
we have all built up over long periods
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would this mean for the Jakarta PMC as many of them are part of Ant?
Do these PMC'ers do double duty?
sure.
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